Talk:The Boss

whats with all this "hinted at" and "some say" crap? Some of it is obvious AND provable--like Ocelot being her son, there is no need to speculate on that (i'll give proof if needed, i already did in the ocelot article); and that she "allowed" Snake to beat her. She obviously fought hard, but she knew the entire mission would fail if she did not die, and BEING so loyal, she HAD to die in the end. She KNEW she would die. In this sense you could say she "let" Snake beat her in the end, even though Snake grew stronger. Lockeownzj00 1 July 2005 00:04 (UTC)


 * A patriot at heart? Come on, that's not true at all. We know from her speech before her battle with Naked Snake that the Boss wants to see unity between all peoples of the world. She infers that she is sickened by the constant wars engineered by the Philosophers so as to keep the masses in line, and that the Philosopher's Legacy can be used to bring the world together. She goes as far as to say that this should be so, even if the people are controlled by the Philosophers without being aware of it.


 * During the Virtuous Mission, The Boss explains that a soldier is someone who is willing to serve their country loyally, and without question. Shortly after the beginning of Operation: Snake Eater, she explains to Snake that loyalties change over time. Indeed the theme of the entire game is that of 'Scene', and the idea that what people believe in changes. The Boss is ultimately proved to be loyal to the US (and the American Philosophers), but acknowledges that she is a soldier. As such, she knows only how to obey her country to the end; even if it means her death and remembrance by the entire world as a traitor, and even if truly she feels that the hidden war amongst the Philosophers is tearing the world apart, she is still a soldier, and thus is 'loyal to the end'.


 * It is thus fair to assume that whilst the Boss appears to be a patriot, and is referred to in this way at the very end of the story, it is important to remember that this is EVA's interpretation of her actions. The Boss served her country as she knew how she could, but truly she wanted to bring people together. This secret will is revealed by her final speech before her last battle. Valenkorps

I agree with Valenkorps's interpretations, hence several minor edits I've made to the final paragraph from time to time. I think the present version looks clumsy, and I'm wondering if the detour about whether Eva was or was not a 'child of the Philosophers' in the same way as the Boss was should be deleted or not. As it was placed there by someone previously I felt that I ought to counter it within the article, but I think it's an irrelevance, as the distinction between their 'heritage' is so clear, and it does make the thing cluttered. If someone out there agrees that the Eva bit is a pointless mess, feel free to snip - as it was I who balanced it in the first place, I don't want to make that call myself. -Lucy

OK - Apostraphe, why have you changed this article's name? Her name is THE BOSS, not 'Boss'. Check any of the script. eg. EVA - 'It's The Boss, isn't it?'. I don't know how to revert this, but you evidently do, so please consider changing it back. Can we have other opinions on this please? - Valenkorps

Gaah.
This page seems to be turning into some kind of theory war. I'm so tempted to cut out everything tentative and pare it down to the bare timeline.

Proposed edit
I move for deletion of the line

"It is also speculated by some that she allowed Naked Snake to defeat her because of her mission."

Speculation has no place on a fact page. TotalTommyTerror 14:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)