Talk:The Breakfast Club

Ally Sheedy's Character / Allison Reynolds
Who made up that her character is a/The Basket Case? In the trailer for the film she is referred to as an Recluse. ...and what is a reclusive kids "A recluse is someone in isolation who hides away from the attention of the public, a person who lives in solitude, i.e. seclusion from intercourse with the world" - Wiki. Its obvious she's not mental, but just a social weirdo. At the beginning of the film she is shown as being shy. She is a misfit, a weirdo...not a basket case (amentally ill person)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.189.64 (talk) 18:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The term "basket case" is used in the "essay" at the beginning of the film, and actually spoken by Sheedy's character in the revised essay at the end. If you saw a version that used "recluse" instead, you must have watched an alternate version. MaxVolume (talk) 08:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Contadiction over Judd's age
Judd is claimed to have been 24 at the time of filming at the start of the article, and 25 further down. Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.247.92 (talk) 09:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Suicide by flare gun?
I though Brian got detention for firing the flare gun at his shop project. Was this a TV edit? Shippo 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've made it clearer. Brian brings the gun to school.  It goes off accidently in his locker, and the ensuing fire destroys said elephant.  The school takes a dim view of things, and Brian gets Saturday detention.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:21, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Ending
There's no mention of the definitely cliched ending - the rebel ends up with the princess, the jock ends up with the (now) beautiful girl, and the brain ends up alone. For a movie that does its best to point out and defy stereotypes, it is decidedly ironic that the ending itself exemplifies stereotypes. This surely deserves some mention. 24.86.144.101 09:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)JvP


 * I totally agree! 24.6.66.193 18:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually they didn't end up with anybody--remember the library scene when they asked who'd talk to who on Monday? Brian and Alison were the only ones said they would talk to the others/each other.


 * Well, no. It's true that Claire, as I recall, expressed a likelihood that they would revert back to their old ways, but that was before the end of the movie and certainly none of the characters were bound by her observation. 24.6.66.193 18:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * So do you guys think that any of them talked on Monday? It would be nice to believe that they all continued to talk to each other. Has the author ever said anything about that Monday? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dabney

Title
anyone knows why is The Breakfast Club called what it's called? Atriarch 17:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering that myself. --The Lone Bard 16:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The movie is called The Breakfast Club because that is how the letter at the end of the film is signed.I don't know why they sign the letter that. The Title is a reference to the famous Chicago Radio Show: Don McNeil's Breakfast Club. Madonna was the drummer in an early incarnation of the eighties group also called "The Breakfast Club".

The film starts as if each character  is a world unto themselves but the letter at the end unites them as one entity. The letter at the end of the film is signed breakfast club because that is the way the school, i.e. the principal views them, as these stereotypes not as real people. "Breakfast" symbolizing the start of the day, who they were at home. At the start of detention they each defend their stereotypes as in the pivotal scene where Bender runs down what everyone brought to eat. Their lunches symbolize their stereotypes showing how the "brainwashing" is already beginning to break down. As the day progresses and deeper conflicts confronted, their stereotypes of the brain, princess, criminal, etc...are rendered meaningless yet this is still how the world chooses to see them as "The Breakfast Club"; who they were at the beginning of the day not what they transformed themselves into by day's end. If the film began with a depiction of each of their "breakfast" routines all this would be too overtly obvious but the film intelligently begins with showing how each one gets to school. By signing it The Breakfast Club they acknowledge the false perceptions the world has of them and they are content with that and don't need to convince anyone otherwise except themselves. This also directly relates to the David Bowie quote at the opening sequence.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasahmachine (talk • contribs) 18:23, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * According to IMDb: "The film's title comes from the nickname invented by students and staff for detention at New Trier High School, the school attended by the son of one of John Hughes' friends. Thus, those who were sent to detention were designated members of "The Breakfast Club". "The Breakfast Club" at that school probably took its name in turn from the title of American radio's longest running network entertainment show, broadcast from Chicago, 1933 to 1968." Trvr3307 02:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk Page Etiquette
This may be just nitpicking but the talk page itself is pretty unclean. Make sure to make headings for new topics and sign your name after you add to this. --Torourkeus 05:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Not to mention spellchecking section titles. *changes "Ediquite" to "Etiquette"* --KittyCollier 19:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The movie was filmed in March of '84 but not sure of the exact day.

The events of the movie took place on Saturday, March 24, 1984. Politician818 00:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC) "The movie is also known for its disappointing ending, in which Ally Sheedy's character renounces her maverick ways and succumbs to the mainstream female image (makeup, pink dress, rather submissive, etc.).": This is way out of NPOV! --Daniel C. Boyer 17:20 Oct 9, 2002 (UTC)


 * Patrick's revision resolves this problem very well. --Daniel C. Boyer

While not making an argument here about the editing out of reference to my drawing in Surrealist Subversions, it was not a movie poster! I think people should read more carefully. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:46 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The last paragraph of the article is VERY confusing. What is the name of the alleged sequel and the 'sequel of sorts'? Without some reference to the movies names or name it makes little sense nor serves any purpose.
 * It's referring to Not Another Teen Movie. Paul Gleason makes a cameo appearance as Principal Vernon in a scene that intentionally parodies TBC. The paragraph should be deleted. --Dynamite Eleven 02:33, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

This took place in SHERMER, not Sherman.

Barry Manilow question
What was the point behind John Bender's asking principal Vernon about whether or not he had raided Barry Manilow's wardrobe? (That earned him an additional detention).
 * He means that Vernon wears old-fashioned seventies clothes (wide collar, etc). Mikkel 16:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, was the film really filmed on March 24th 1984?
 * films take a bit to finish. i doubt it was filmed in a day. especially since imdb anounces 5 filming locations. --Torourkeus 05:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Down with the "Legacy"
I propose splitting up the section marked "Legacy", which implies it's going to be about the lasting cultural impact of the film, or proof of the importance as a generational touchstone, but is ultimately a list of parodies and jokes on TV shows. This list may be relevant, but should be marked as such, and drastically shortened. Nearly every entry on the list simply explains that an episode of a program parodied The Breakfast Club, which amounts to a long-winded version of the IMDb "Movie Connections" list. One might question the usefulness of listing every such parody in an article woefully short on hard data to begin with. Chris Stangl 02:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this, and I believe that there should be a little bit more on short term effects of the film, as the only one that I see listed is the success of the band that sings the theme song.

"Eat my shorts"
Unless someone can demonstrate conclusively that no one in popular media uttered "Eat my shorts" before John Bender, or that the quote was largely associated with The Breakfast Club prior to being a Bart Simpson catchphrase, I continue to fail to see why this non-connection is noteworthy. Supporters, please discuss. Chris Stangl 21:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe that's false .. I've only seen the clean version on VH1, and I sware, if you look closely at Bender's mouth, you can see he's most likely saying 'Eat my shit', which is a more common insult.


 * Bender certainly yells "eat my shorts" in the R-rated cut. That doesn't make it the origin of the phrase, though. Don't forget to sign Talk comments. Chris Stangl 00:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I definitely do not think this movie was the origin of the phrase "Eat my shorts." Rick Dees had a song out in 1984 entitled "Eat my shorts" (see, e.g., brief reference in http://www.yearsofgold.org.uk/1976WEEK39SEPT25.htm). If the article is correct that the movie's release date was 1985, it seems highly unlikely that this movie was the origin of the phrase, as when would Rick Dees have heard it to write it into his song? In addition, I seem to remember that I had already heard this phrase, most likely in the song, when I saw the movie during its original US release. As a result, I certainly do not think that when a Wikipedia user enters "Eat my shorts" in the search box, he should be automatically redirected to the Breakfast Club page. I apologize for posting this comment two years after this discussion was started. 78.53.7.22 (talk) 23:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "Eat My Shorts" was said by Meat in Porky's, circa 1981. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckeyebrain (talk • contribs) 05:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I propose to add in here a link to the 2012 Jason Moore film Pitch Perfect, because The Breakfast Club is (quite rightly) heavily referenced in Pitch Perfect, and while the Pitch Perfect article has a reference and link to the Breakfast Club, there is no reference to Pitch Perfect in the Legacy section. StellaKingsbury9 (talk) 03:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

"Friends" reference
I don't have the Friends episode handy, but I'm almost positive that they were whistling "the Odd Couple Theme," and not "Don't You Forget About Me." Can anyone confirm?

The "Odd Couple Theme" was whistled, hummed, and "da-dudah"ed as an opening to one episode, on the couch at Central Perk, starting with one of the cast, and slowly growing until all six of them are performing it. It ended, a brief silence, and then Chandler starts up on the "I Dream Of Jeannie" theme, before Ross stops him quick by saying "We're done." It might be this scene you are thinking of. D f cornish 09:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Just read this. I believe actually it was Ross who tried to start the "I Dream of Jeannie" theme and Chandler stopped him. Correct me if I am wrong.

Two big problems
This article has two major problems: Both of these problems need serious attention.
 * 1) It features no discussion whatsoever of the plot
 * 2) The "Interpretations" section is largely original research and unsourced statements.
 * "Strong points" is a nonsensical section-header... and a nearly nonsensical section. I'm happy to take a pass through and simply delete the POV and original "research".  Please sign your comments on Talk pages.  Chris Stangl 19:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

TV Edit
Can anyone add some information about the television edit? I'm watching the full version for the first time and it is INCREDIBLY different. Lots of stuff were taken out that i think are important in making it such a kick ass movie. --Torourkeus 05:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Letter
Someone made this edit and it may include more information, but does not look nice and would need proper formatting for it to be included. I also am not sure if that was the actual words that transpired as it seems to have too many repetitive words. I will revert it for now and if anyone disagrees, please post your reasons here. Cbrown1023 00:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The two parts of the letter (start of film, end of film) are supposed to go together in a "cut-and-paste", and only together is the full impact appreciated. Too much is lost when the part where Brian writes "You see us as a brain, a jock, a basket case, a princess and a criminal. Correct? That's the way we saw ourselves at seven o'clock this morning. We were brainwashed" gets cut out.

First point; he lists the labels that Mr Vernon sees them as. The "Correct?" is what makes the statement into an accusation. Second point; he confesses that the five students themselves also saw both themselves and each other as these labels. By saying "We were brainwashed" he turns that into an accusation, too. Not just at Mr Vernon, but against everyone who only saw them and treated them as a label.

Plus it makes more sense when the first part is quoted. Why would he start a paragraph with "But what we found out..." without starting off with what they believed before detention began. "But" doesn't make sense without the preceding sentences.

As for references - watch the movie, it is all there. But for those too lazy to, the entire dialogue/script can be found at http://members.fortunecity.com/breakfastclub/Script/script1.htm through to http://members.fortunecity.com/breakfastclub/Script/script7.htm D f cornish 09:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ, they may be both be notable, but they can't go together like that, look how much it repeats! They are meant to be book-ends for the whole movie, an opening and a closing.  Plus, what is referred to as "the letter", the letter at the end, is what is written. Cbrown1023 20:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The purpose of having an article in Wikipedia is to mainly display its importance to our culture, such as achievements, impacts, criticism, etc. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; The letter itself can by no means help to explain the significance of the film. And after all, Wikipedia is not IMDb and should instead focus on its notability, proving why this article should have its own article. Showing only the obvious parts of the letter is enough; if the readers wish to interpret the entire letter by themselves, let them buy/rent one themselves or whatever and watch it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vic226 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Final paragraphs of cultural impact
there is an interesting but unrealiable series of ascertions in the final paragraphs of the cultural impact section. It is clear that this section needs a clean up, a clean up that would represent the final stage of the articles general cleanup. I don't want to erase these claims without discussing them first, so I would like for anyone withe views for and against to step up, suggest new ideas for teh cultural impact section and help in completing the article's finale. Kiske 09:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this--and there is not enough on short term cultural effects!

The Claire and Bender pages
They should be merged with the main article, and the links from the character table should be removed. Half of them lead to things unrelated to the movie —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.214.100.215 (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

TV-edited version
Was really annoying. They say lines like, "Damn you, you stinkin butthead, eat my socks." I've never seen the entire movie but I'm pretty sure they skipped the marijuana-smoking scene. I thought that was pointless, because they had already shown the bag of weed so it wasn't as if they were eliminating drug references. I'm surprised they didn't completely edit the scene to show them eating strawberries or something. They did show Bender lighting up a cigarette on his shoe though.

Simply Scripts
Couldn't find the preliminary draft there. Someone have another source? Zeality 03:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

References in other media
The sections that talk about other shows referencing this is soooooo long that it overwhelms the article. I, personally, recommend just deleting all the media refs but ... at the very least, shove them into an entire new article. Is it really that relevant ER did a similar plot? Besides, unless they mention the movie, does the similar plot section even COUNT? Lots42 03:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Principal?
It had never occurred to me that Mr. Vernon was a principal. (However I do see that he is credited as such on IMDB.com, though lately I've come to question the site's reliability.) Does the film ever state his actual position? Is there some other source for this? He seems more like a vice-prinipal, or perhaps a teacher earning overtime on a Saturday. I would imagine that a principal would delegate detention duty to someone else. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I always assumed he was the assistant principal (for the reason you stated). Haven't seen the movie in a while, though. 24.6.66.193 19:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think at some point we see the nameplate on his desk that says assistant principal. In my not too recent high school experience, that is about the level usually responsible for student discipline.  And that makes the janitor's blackmail for looking at student records more plausible.  I doubt anyone is going to take the principal to task for that, but the assistant principal, maybe so.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, Vernon was a Vice Principal and I also think labeling him as Principal is erroneous, however until source material is found to back that up, perhaps something with more weight than IMDB, Principal would be the most recent "legit" data. :-/ Medleystudios72 (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The nameplate on his desk just says 'Richard Vernon', here on Wikipedia he is referred to as Assistant Principal, on IMDB he listed as Principal, and in the online script I found he is listed as 'teacher'. I can't verify the authenticity of the script however. 24.225.23.137 (talk) 04:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Went ahead and read the full script, while Carl and Vernon are talking, Vernon refrences the fact that he has been teaching for 22 years. Carl then says back to him, "You took a teaching position, 'cause you thought it'd be fun, right?"  It's fairly inconclusive though, as Carl's reply back is referencing the past, while any position in the education field could be claimed as 'teaching'.  The only other thing that would be a clue, is when Vernon is yelling at John, he mentions making $31,000 as a salary.  I couldn't find any historical data for Principal, Vice/Assistant Principal, or teacher salaries for Illinois.  In any case the figure could be an inaccurate representation of the compensation packages for 1984 Illinois. 24.225.23.137 (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I decided to check all the links for interviews with the cast and John Hughes about the film, the October 1999 issue of Premiere Magazine has Paul listed as teacher Richard Vernon (reference #5). On the DVD featurette multiple members of the cast and crew refer to him as the Principal of the school.  I'm officially giving up now on this quest, hope this information helps (contradictory as it is). 24.225.23.137 (talk) 08:16, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If he was the Principal, I wouldn't think that Carl would be able to blackmail him for looking over student records. --Thoric (talk) 20:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

If he was just a teacher, he wouldn't have an office with a nameplate and desk. That he does have an office is pretty strong evidence he is either a principal or just maybe a counselor. But then no teacher or administrator assigned to detention would leave five students alone in the library, so who knows? Wschart (talk) 16:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Gossip
Is the Gossip Girl ref needed? Lots42 (talk) 22:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The Simpsons - Principal Skinner
It's blatantly obvious to me that the Principal Skinner character in The Simpsons was heavily inspired Principal Richard Vernon in The Breakfast Club. This shoudl be added to the Popular Culture references! Jason404 (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have any proof of this, add it in! Lots42 (talk) 08:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not see this. Skinner is generally a nice guy.  Vernon is not a nice guy.  Is there any evidence for this link?  Epa101 (talk) 22:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The resemblance is obvious. They are both school principals, their faces look the same, they both have the same gray hair, they dress the same, and their personalities are similar towards students (Vernon/Bender - Skinner/Bart).Marino13 (talk) 03:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

The Page As It Currently Stands
It needs a rewrite. Whole sections are redundant. The 'Character' section needs to go, for one. Three or four paragraphs for the plot. Definitely the end letter. Lots42 (talk) 08:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

JC Penny
Is a JC Penny commercial REALLY a 'cultural impact'? I mean come on, people. Lots42 (talk) 20:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity
There are a lot of lines spoken in this film that just strike me as odd. I LOVE this film, but I keep wondering how realistic it is. Meaning that how realistic it would be in an average highshool in the United States in the 1980s. "Front and centre". "Eat my shorts". And so on. Is that really how people talked back in the 80s in the United States? I mean, are the words people use in this film, the teacher, Carl, and the students, really the way people talked in the US back in the 80s? Or, more importantly, is this a somewhat realistic portrayal of what might have happened in a US highschool back in the 80s? Just curious. wjmt (talk) 16:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

How realistic? More so than not, which is why the film is so popular. I was the age of the students at the time the film was made. A couple of student conversations I had were nearly identical to what was later seen on film. We had different phrases, but still used under similar circumstances for similar effects. MJ56003 (talk) 19:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Pan
As a Fan of The Breakfast Club Movie Magic, the Charactors in arrangements, as a student of Kabbalah, Bender reminds one of the Accuser. Osiris. Their overseer reminds one of Michael. Not really His fault. Everyone needs a good challenge.75.202.5.22 (talk) 02:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Scenes
At least some of the deleted scenes have been on air in europe. I remember zapping into a documentary showing scenes from Breakfast Club, but then switching channels because it wasn't the entire movie. The released version of Breakfast Club did not loose anything by leaving out those scenes, seemed suitable for a funny DVD bonus. The scenes could've been from the mentioned VHS... cannot tell due to a lousy TV set at that time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.35.148.164 (talk) 21:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Shermer High School
Shermer High School redirects here. However, I hear the school is also the fictional location for Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Weird Science, Sixteen Candles, National Lampoon’s Vacation and Pretty in Pink. Should it get it's own article? Andrew Keenan Richardson 15:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. There should be a separate article and not a redirect for only 1 of many cinematic connections. Medleystudios72 (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Shermer High School is a veiled reference to Glenbrook North High School, located at 2300 Shermer Road, Northbrook, IL. Many of John Hughes movies were researched or filmed there, and his mother worked in the Glenbrook North High School bookstore throughout the 1980-1985 time frame when he directed most of the movies listed above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.6.220.209 (talk) 02:09, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Victorious Parody
The Victorious Episode "The Breakfast Bunch" is a parody of this movie. Should it be mentioned in the article? 69.246.197.19 (talk) 22:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No. --- The Old Jacobite The '45  00:30, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe if there is a reliable source about the episode being a parody of the film, then it deserves a mention in this article. DBZFan30 (talk) 01:10, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It would have to be a damn good source indicating a substantive connection. ---  The Old Jacobite  The '45  02:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation
The phrase "the breakfast club" needs disambiguation being, apart from a movie title, also a drug-using sub-culture phrase used to describe people - typically opiate abusers - who habitually meet when first awakened to once again use drugs, as a matter of first business each day.

49.181.11.37 (talk) 08:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Legacy
I am asking as a general rule, shouldn't the legacy tag be at the end of the article?Messiaindarain (talk) 05:31, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Critical reception
The lead and indeed most of the article is extremely positive about this movie, unlike the Critical Reception section which suggests that it, err, isn't very good. I certainly don't remember this film being regarded as some sort of masterpiece either when released or subsequently. My suspicion is that some Americans of a certain age feel nostalgic about it because they identified with it when first released. Whatever the reasons for the article's inconsistency, it needs sorting out. --Ef80 (talk) 23:19, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you're confusing something. There is a critical reception section about the film which is positive, and one about the film's soundtrack which is filled with rather negative reviews. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Breakfast_Club#Critical_reception).

As somebody who saw this film only recently and who isn't born in the 1960s or an American, I asked that myself that question when I researched for the German Wikipedia article. Well, most critics are positive about the film and it was now entered into the National Film Registry. It seems to be recognized as a very good film, but not up to the Citizen Kane standard. The "They Don't Shoot Pictures list", which adds all the Critic's "Best Films of All Time" votings of the last years together, lists it at No. 706 (http://theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films_table.php), which is pretty good for a Hollywood comedy. In the lead of this article it says Critics consider it one of the greatest high school films of all time, as well as one of Hughes' most memorable and recognizable works. Well I think that's true, or which other works is Hughes better known for than Breakfast Club? Perhaps only Ferris and Kevin. And Entertainment Weekly voted it as the best Highschool film of all time (granted, the highschool film genre isn't always that popular with critics, but still an achievement). So: this film is quite recognized. --Clibenfoart (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

"Critics consider it among the greatest films of all time" definitely needs substantiation. I'd go so far as to say it's completely wrong. As a group, critics aren't synonymous with American media reviewers.194.168.91.62 (talk) 16:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Soundtrack
I'm thinking about moving the soundtrack section to a separate article, but is the soundtrack notable enough to have its own article? DBZFan30 (talk) 16:26, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

recent edits
It's bad form to make dozens of different edits throughout the article and then offer a lousy explanation for them in an edit summary. Taking things one at a time, the spacing fixes in the infobox are helpful and no reason was given for their removal. We do not give figures adjusted for inflation for the budget or gross – this is never done in film articles, and a check of the MOS will bear this out. The changes in the plot were minor and unnecessary details. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 18:32, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring
Keith, TOJ, you both need to stop this back and forth reverting NOW. TOJ, you are quite experienced enough to know quite well that one does not respond to edit warring by warring back. More over, some of Keith's edits seem to have merit, specifically reducing duplicative linking, and removing them all jointly is not exactly optimum. Keith, you were told several times to discuss this on this talk page, and have not yet done so. Both of you need to be at the discuss stage of WP:BRD. I will block if there is further edit warring on this matter. Maproom I pinged you because of your recent revert. I had been starting to write thsi note before I saw it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:12, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I stated my objections in the post previous to this one. I have, as yet, received no response. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 00:50, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you think that this edit was unneeded or of no value, ? It was included in the group which you reverted several times. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:55, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That might fall under overlinking, but it is not uncommon for the same name to be linked in multiple sections. I generally only remove the links if they are included more than once in the same section.  But, even if that particular edit had value, it was bundled with numerous other edits that did not. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 01:48, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Variety review
One of the most oft-quoted reviews to have come out for this film is the one from a 1985 issue of Variety, which stated:"When the causes of the Decline of Western Civilization are finally writ, Hollywood will surely have to answer why it turned one of man’s most significant art forms over to the self-gratification of high-schoolers."This infamous review has been quoted in several articles and books about the film and the film's genre in the years since its release, which all seem to highlight the review's dramatic foreboding of the damage to society wrought by films whose subjects center around high school students. Owing to the prominence of this review (which to my knowledge has never been linked to a specific reviewer) I'm curious what other editors think about including it here as a blurb in the article's criticism section (of the film, not the soundtrack).  spintendo   12:17, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If it's a worthwhile review, which it clearly is, it should be included in the critical reception section. I can't imagine there being any objection to it. --- The Old Jacobite The '45</i> 13:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Concerning: Time and Date
Habatchii says;

"Does anyone know exactly when the club is suppose to meet? It would be a cornerstone to American pop culture to know." Habatchii (talk) 16:27, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Why would we need to include such a trivial detail? ---<b style="font-family: Georgia;"> The Old Jacobite </b><i style="font-family: Courier New;">The '45</i> 22:50, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Problematic wording
I've not seen the movie and thus refrain from editing, but the sentence "; John's mother, especially his father, physically and verbally abuse him;" makes little sense. Is it supposed to be "John's parents" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:39F2:33D0:7104:4023:8E23:170F (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that. Fixed. Popcornduff (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Winners or losers?
Did either the kids or the principal either win or lose in The Breakfast Club? --TMProofreader (talk) 15:59, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I interpret it as the kids winning, or maybe a better term is "having the last laugh". Brian's essay tells Vernon that no matter what he expects them to be, they're going to continue being who they are.  It struck me as a final middle finger to authority.  Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2019 (UTC)