Talk:The Celebration Tour/Archive 1

REFS

 * Rumored tour - January 4, by The Sun (UK) — original source
 * Uruguay concerts speculations (October 2022): 1 or 2
 * Seeking trainer (October 2022) on TikTok
 * Possible concerts in Argentina, Chile
 * Instagram wipes (suspected tour), CNN, January 16.
 * Her first ever greatest hits tour (+ Madonna comments)
 * Madonna comments (in Portuguese)
 * Dates January 17 (CNN Brasil)

—January 20
 * La Presse 1 hour and 15 minutes sold almost all tickets in Canada (in French)
 * NL Times "nearly 30,000 people were waiting in the digital queue within a few minutes" (Netherlands)
 * Sky TG24 sold in a matters of minutes first announced date in Italy (in Italian)

—January 31
 * Possible dates in Latin America, Africa and Oceania (in Spanish). "Promotional video", Úrsula Corberó, Paris Hilton, FKA Twigs, Dontanella Versace, Debi Mazar, Quavo Huncho

—February
 * Dream setlist:
 * Rolling Stone UK
 * Consequence
 * Variety
 * Billboard

Madonna teases setlist for Celebration Tour + Madonna Dá Spoiler De Setlist Da Nova Turnê
 * Madonna teases setlist

--Apoxyomenus (talk) 16:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2023
The canceled dates section is all wrong formated ++++ it misses dates in CANADA Dbergeron1979 (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * In fact, there are some errors kept after last revision. Total number of dates is 79, not 78, given only five original dates were actually cancelled, and the info at the introduction text to page features the original January date as the last one instead of the now rescheduled April one. I know there was a lot to edit right after the rescheduled itinerary announcement but work is not finished yet, I hope some wiki verified account user gets my pointed errors and solve them while page keeps protected to feature only wiki-verified-account users' revisions. Thank you very much, Wikipedia users' community, for the opportunity for us to give our feedback, and also in advance of this page getting fully corrected as I cherish Madonna wikidata since more than a decade ago as a longtime fan of hers; by the way, I used to edit this very page a lot of times prior to the revision restriction, as well as several other Madonna-related wiki pages throughout the years. Happy that the announcement has been finally done, and may the Celebration Tour begin as planned as of now! Many greetings! 177.148.101.145 (talk) 20:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand now that there will not be 6 shows to be held in Inglewood, but 5 (the original 2 dates at Kia Forum were turned into only one), so the actual number of concerts is 78, as stated in the page. Thank you Status for your job, sorry for the inconvenience, many greetings! 177.148.101.145 (talk) 20:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dbergeron1979 :Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Chiselinccc (talk) 13:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2023
In the “Set list” section, “Like a Virgin” should come after “Rain”. Madonna3323 (talk) 14:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: - The reference used in the article does not confirm your request. (It also doesn't match the set list in the article.)  GoingBatty (talk) 14:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Causing a Commotion snippet
She performed a snippet of the aforementioned song during her second show in Antwerp (Video source: nsphOtOs on X and Instagram - I can’t post the link for some reason) 37.251.223.201 (talk) 20:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Instagram and Twitter are not reliable sources per WP:UGC. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * She also performed Causing A Commotion (snippet) on some US Tour Dates (Brooklyn, Washington DC). Seanp78 (talk) 04:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Does Setlist.fm count?

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/madonna/2023/sportpaleis-merksem-belgium-43a0eb1b.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.251.223.201 (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOTRSMUSIC, no it isn't. HorrorLover555 (talk) 18:14, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Tour photos
The photo references as Frozen is In fact the staging for Die Another Day 86.17.101.90 (talk) 19:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2023
One of the photos says that she is preforming Frozen, when in fact she is performing Die Another Day Guyjdgnm (talk) 20:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The situation is quite odd. The title of the picture says it is "Frozen", but the Commons description says it is "Die Another Day". Since including the image doesn't improve the article much, I have removed it. Liu1126 (talk) 11:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2023
Along with "Bitch I'm Madonna" she sings the refrain "L.U.V.Madonna, Y.O.U., you wanna? " whitch is the refrain of the song "Give me All Your Loving" Mrsartori8 (talk) 23:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "Give Me All You Lovin" is part of the official set list and you forgot to mention it on the text. (I didn't understand your doubt) 2804:14C:43:8B6F:5913:980D:7A99:B5FD (talk) 23:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source that supports this change you want to be made? HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Setlist
Can someone please remove Little Star in the full setlist and leave it as just a note as it was only performed once, acapella, for 10 seconds. 2601:1C0:717E:3D80:9577:4FA2:AC75:64C8 (talk) 22:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Negative. It should remain per WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE, as it is to give an example of the set list from the first show of the tour with sources to cover on that. Hence the notice above the full setlist that it represents the first show of the tour and may not represent all of the shows on the tour. HorrorLover555 (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Production Request
The Creative Director Lewis James is not a member of the design Studio "Stufish" - Stufish Studio were responsible for the stage design as a company separate to the creative director. Lewis is an individual creative. Please amend the following

"Madonna enlisted Stufish's Lewis James as the creative director and Jamie King." to "Madonna enlisted Lewis James as the creative director and Jamie King"

Blazingstar16 (talk) 18:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Apoxyomenus (talk) 04:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Error
Wikipedia writes in the chapter : « Philanthropy and activism » under the paragraph : « Tributes « that Madonna 's first Portugal show took place on 07.11.2023. Which is not true. The first show took place on 06.11.2023 and the day after 07.11.2023 was the additional concert 2A06:4944:10F9:A800:3510:D17C:99A5:8B4D (talk) 00:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have corrected the date. HorrorLover555 (talk) 01:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Guest judges for "Vogue" segment | Formatting of article?
Wanted to add a list of the celebrities brought on stage for the "Vogue" segment but the edit was removed. From my perspective the cleanest would be to have it within the tour date table? The French version of this article seems to have added a bullet-point list in a separate segment, bt that does not seem particularly easy to read? Petoabys (talk) 14:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I oppose having that in the tour date table as it is irrelevant to the content, as they already have the opening acts set in regardless. If it is sourced, and well-detailed, I think it could have its own section or sub-section. HorrorLover555 (talk) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * While it would be nice to have those listed somewhere in the article, it's difficult to do it properly because I've only seen the guest names be mentioned on Twitter, which I believe wouldn't be accepted as a source for this, according to Wikipedia's policy. Davide (talk) 11:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023
Under "Setlist", the list of elements in Vogue should include "Deeper and Deeper" 92.239.0.165 (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 12:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Revenue
Hello. I'd like to know where the hell they got the figures for the European leg of the tour, as the Billboard source barely mentions the revenue from the six concerts in London and the four dates in Paris. Where did they get the exact revenue and attendance figures for the other shows? I'm surprised no one has reversed these editions. Should we subscribe to the Billboard page to see the full article, or is this false information that has not been reversed? Vera (talk) 21:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I also agree. I saw the numbers and I didn't know where they came from. could you please provide evidence. Otherwise, we should remove it. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like the user (who hasn't logged in for four days) found the revenue and attendance for the European leg from Touring Data, which I think is not a reliable source (neither Touring Data nor any other X account). I think we should remove the numbers and wait for the official data from Billboard (or Pollstar). Vera (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I logged and briefly noticed those numbers, then later forgot to ask/rmv them. The X account have been cited in some other articles in the past. We can definitely remove them. I also think the commercial performance should be trimmed, as early stage of news cycle already ceased and it could further compacted. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answer. I don't know which parts of the Commercial performance section should be trimmed since I don't edit here. But given that in Spanish Wikipedia someone copied/pasted the revenue and attendance of the European leg, I assumed that the problem was here. Vera (talk) 21:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ,, one thing we can do is grey out the European section boxscore with a keyword like NRI and add the total for now at the bottom as well. — IB [ Poke ] 17:24, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi. It makes sense, because Billboard only reported the total but no individuals dates. I support that addition. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 02:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Please remove Stuart Armstrong‘s Surname
The Tributes section lists the full name of the founder of theAIDSmemorial based on his full name was fully mentioned in a New York Times article two weeks ago. This was an error as they didn‘t had permission to print his full name. Therefor please remove his full name immediately and just use ’Stuart‘. Thanks! MatthiasBallmann (talk) 22:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Finale/Final song needs to be updated
The final song aka finale of the show should be #34 "Bitch I'm Madonna" (incudes elements of "Give Me All Your Luvin'", "Celebration", and "Music"). There is no performance of "Celebration" and "Music" as songs per se after "Bitch I'm Madonna" as they are part of the mix. "Give Me All Your Luvin'" was forgotten in the setlist. 71.127.58.63 (talk) 20:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I could send 32 links for the 32 show finales she already performed featuring exactly what I just wrote. Would that be reliable sources? 71.127.58.63 (talk) 21:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2024
CHANGE TO
 * During the first concert in New York City on December 13, 2023, Madonna sang "I Love New York"
 * During the first three concerts in New York City (Brooklyn) on December 13/14/16 2023, Madonna sang a mashup of "I Love New York" with Burning Up. Seanp78 (talk) 04:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. On the other half, we need to stick to the source provided for that note until then. HorrorLover555 (talk) 09:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This source lists "I Love New York / Burning Up" in the set list, instead of just "I Love New York". But it still only refers to the first New York concert, on December 13.
 * https://variety.com/2023/music/reviews/madonna-celebration-tour-new-york-brooklyn-concert-review-1235838085/ Davide (talk) 11:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2024
Tour Credit, Wardrobe department:

Tony Villanueva - Head Dresser Noriko Kakihara - Principal Dresser Ariana Armendariz - Wardrobe Supervisor Laurie Nuttall - Tailor Luis Ferreira - Wardrobe Assitant Lesly McNamara - Wardrobe Assitant Llinos (Tink) Lloyd - Wardrobe Assitant Evelina Mazar-corcos - Wardrobe Assitant 216.208.244.211 (talk) 18:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 19:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Missing song + links missing + Final Demo 2
Act I is missing the song Celebration which plays after the Lucky Star intro and before the video montage starting with Material Girl.

There are links missing to the actual song pages: 71.127.58.63 (talk) 16:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Act I - Vogue and Bitch I'm Madonna
 * Act II - Fever, Erotica, and Justify my love are all missing links
 * Act II - see The Confessions Tour page, this is not "with elements of Final Demo 2" but "with elements of You Thrill Me". It's been used during the Confessions Tour. See page for reference.
 * ❌ Links are not missing as it would be overlinking per MOS:OVERLINK. Regarding "Final Demo 2", please note WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2024
Madonnaprofana (talk) 17:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC) boxscore
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 01:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Setlist
I'm sorry I don't want to be disrespectful in any way but I find the setlist incorrect and the samples/extracts/excepts are wrong in so many parts. I suggest some changes, I hope you can approve them:

8 . "Live to Tell" (with elements of "In This Life")

On "Like a prayer" there's no "Let's Go Crazy" elements, it can be found in the "Blond Ambition" section and I'd delete "Erotica" and "Justify My Love" in it.

12. "Erotica" (with elements of "Justify My Love (12" Orbit Remix), "Final Demo 2" and "Papa Don't Preach")

13. "Justify My Love"/"Fever" (include elements of Gangsta")

14. "Hung Up" (includes elements of "Hung Up on Tokischa")

On the Ballroom section I'd add Deeper and Deeper but I don't remember the exact name of the remix.

18. "Human Nature"/"Crazy for You"

24. "La Isla Bonita"/"Don't Cry for Me Argentina"

25. "I Don't Search I Find" (Honey Dijon remix,intermission)

In "Like a Virgin" I'd add "Into The Groove" since it contains "You wanna dance?"

Sorry if I made mistakes with numbers or some letters I'm not an English speaker. Thank you. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 19:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Set list is sourced well from published, reliable sources like BBC and Billboard. I don't really see any point in changing them, as we need to stick to the sources provided per policy. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So why it say that Hung Up has a Gangsta sample which it doesn't but it can be found in Justify My Love? Thant's my point. Like I said I didn't want to be disrespectful but I think some changes are necessary. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 20:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please provide reliable sources that support your changes. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.panorama.it/lifestyle/musica/madonna-londra-scaletta-celebration-tour here is saying what I've been saying about "Gangsta" sampled on Justify My Love. It's in italian but it's a reliable source I suppose.
 * https://www.musicradar.com/news/madonna-prince-like-a-prayer here it is "Let's Go Crazy" in Living For Love ergo in the Blond Ambition section not in Like a Prayer.
 * Also, you can hear them without a reliable sources that confirms it, but I understand the policy. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In return, I will also share the sources that are already given for my reasoning of why WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE comes to mind.
 * These are the sources provided even in the section, and it does clearly state above in text that it is used from the London, England show, and word-for-word, does not represent all concerts for the duration of the tour. These would be the reasons why I think it shouldn't change. Besides, the tour is almost over anyway. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but these articles are incorrect. Even if you watch the first show you'll see I'm right! I thought someone would have changed it but no one did so I wrote it. I don't knpw what else I could do to change the setlist. I agree with the numbers, but some parts are incorrect. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And also, the articles I did share are from the first London show. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 19:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * At this point, I think it might be helpful to get some third opinions to see if a compromise can be worked out. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but these articles are incorrect. Even if you watch the first show you'll see I'm right! I thought someone would have changed it but no one did so I wrote it. I don't knpw what else I could do to change the setlist. I agree with the numbers, but some parts are incorrect. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And also, the articles I did share are from the first London show. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 19:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * At this point, I think it might be helpful to get some third opinions to see if a compromise can be worked out. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree. But some reliable sources say I'm right. 91.254.5.170 (talk) 18:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * IP, the point of this discussion is to come to a compromise that all editors can be happy with, it's not about who is right and who is wrong. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Boxscores check
@Apoxyomenus are you able to see if the boxscore edit I made looks good as per what we discussed in a previous thread? — IB [ Poke ] 19:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @IndianBio Looks perfectly incorporated. Ping MadonnaFan, the third involved user if he/she needs to address further something. BTW, you might consider check article's prose, or condense if necessary, from commercial performance to impact sections. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 00:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2024
I would like to suggest that under “Concert Synopsis,” the part that says “spinning carousel-like glass window” can be rewritten as a “spinning zoetrope,” because that is what it is! 2605:B100:73A:AFBA:9DAC:3F0E:7E3C:D0F0 (talk) 00:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Wikipedia content must be verifiable and none of the existing sources use this term. If you can find other reliable sources which use the term zoetrope we can probably add it. Jamedeus (talk) 00:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Incomprehensible sentence under "boxscore"
The sentence that reads "At the O2 Arena, Madonna was the third act to gross more after the COVID-19 pandemic era up to that point," is barely comprehensible English. According to the provided source, it means to say:

"At the O2 Arena, Madonna was the third highest grossing act after the COVID-19 pandemic era up to that point," 62.78.247.228 (talk) 08:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ HorrorLover555 (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2024
In the "Set List", change <13. "Justify My Love"> to <13. "Justify My Love" (Includes elements of "Gangsta"). The "Gangsta" elements are present on Justify My Love (Gangsta being used as the instrumental) and not Hung Up as the page says. DavidLuis198 (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Updates / data to the record
Brazil
 * Pollstar: $227,247,141 and sold 1,128,657 tickets
 * Final financial reports: + R$300 million return to city's economy: 1 + (R$200M international 2), according to subprefeito (submayor) from Rio.
 * 150,000 tourists according to some estimate, including Veja.
 * Honorary citizen
 * Hotel bookings climbed/reached 98%
 * Some criticisms: for public investment ($R10 million), mostly by right-critics, according to The Guardian, due to sexual content, and that the show haven't age restriction
 * Broadcast: Biggest TV Globo rating in 6 years (broadcast also by Globoplay and Multishow) | A special TV was cancelled/postponed to provide more coverage to Rio Grande do Sul floods.
 * R$60 million the total cost of the production, 50M private sector and 10M by prefeitura.

Others --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Conversations set after Madonna's success in Brazil by attendance terms: Mayor/City want to have each May, a "Celebration May". According to El País, Madonna generated conversations by industry insiders/and social media users, in the idea of establishing routinely massive free concerts (stand-alone). + Madonna’s Rio concert: Here are 5 ways it’s going to change the music industry (thePost.ph)
 * Madonna also continue to Boost, hotel bookings in Mexico City, also defined as the Madonna effect

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2024
The Celebration Tour in Rio de Janeiro was almost 2 million, nor over 1.6 million. 177.125.126.44 (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Madonna sang Prince's Kiss
In the "Notes", can we add that the 02/13/24 at Saint Paul Madonna sang Kiss (Prince song)??

Here are some reliatable sources: https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2024/02/14/madonnas-celebration-tour-enchants-st-paul-crowd https://www.instagram.com/news_of_madonna/reel/C3UvK9ytM_d/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjXyF1n5gY 91.254.79.220 (talk) 11:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ I used the source from The Current for the Notes section when I added, as generally, Instagram and YouTube are not reliable. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)