Talk:The Celestial Toymaker

Merge Suggestion
I'm not entirely sure the character page needs to be seperate. There's little in there that is necessary outside of the story's page. However, as I type this, it occurs to me that there might be a concurrent series of pages just for the characters, in which case it would be valid, and my merge request is not.

Anyone?

There is such a series, so I'm removing the request.

Tower of Hanoi with 8 pieces
Hi, the article says, there are 1023 pieces in the trilogic game, which basically is the "tower of Hanoi", as I saw in the remaining part on DVD. I think, there are only 8 pieces but 1023 movements. (I'm not sure, however, if "piece" may be a synonym for movement. in this case, it is right.) --Hutschi 12:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Having just watched it, Hutschi is correct. There are 1023 moves, not 1023 pieces. However, it's a 10 piece "tower of Hanoi" type game, not 8. Additionally, rather than being a vast three dimensional puzzle as described in the page, it's a regular table top game measuring perhaps a foot to a side when completed. Xiphiphile 01:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Billy Bunter
It's not possible for Richards' estate to complain about the similarity of Bunter and Cyril in 1963, with the story not being written let alone broadcast for three years! I'd assume it was in 1966, with the BBC adding a disclaimer on episode four. Not to speculate though, so out the date comes!MartinSFSA (talk) 08:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The N word
In acknowledging that the "nigger" word has been overdubbed or de-emphasised in the audio release, the text implies that it was acceptable in 1966, by implication saying that is was near-universally acceptable. In certain circles, it obviously must have been, or the script would not have reached production. But I think it is not fair to suggest that the word was acceptable in Britain universally in the sixties. My parents (I was born in 63) certainly viewed it as offensive and they were not especially liberal. I was instructed to use "catch a rotter". Obviously, personal experiences will vary. For comparison, a reference to this word in Gilbert And Sullivan's "The Mikado" was amended some twenty years before. I would suggest this be amended to say that the word was "considered inoffensive in many circles" - I do not wish to erase the historical reality, but to reflect it better. Rob Burbidge (talk) 13:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please cite a reliable source saying any of the above. DonQuixote (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The consensus appears to have been that in the absence of any verifiable source supporting one interpretation or the other - to instead remove any mention this (albeit probably inconsequential) point. The original mention of this can be found in Note 5 of edit 56142015. Jimw338 (talk) 03:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Could use a reference to 2023 special #3
The Toymaker character made his first canon appearance in the 3rd 2023 (Holiday?) special. Given that a number of non-canon appearances in Big Finish and other non-canon Doctor Who media.

Seems worthy of a mention, and/or a link to said special's Wikipedia entry. 172.101.144.112 (talk) 06:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * From the article: The Toymaker, played by Neil Patrick Harris, appeared as the antagonist in "The Giggle", the third and final of the 60th anniversary specials released in 2023. DonQuixote (talk) 07:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)