Talk:The Challenge: Champs vs. Stars season 2

Naming of articles
For any one watching this page, please see the discussion at Talk:The Challenge (TV series) about the naming of this and other seasons of the Champs vs. series. Responses are requested. Thanks WikiVirusC (talk) 12:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 16 November 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 11:36, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

The Challenge: Champs vs. Stars (season 3) → The Challenge: Champs vs. Stars (season 2) – To bring the show into line with IMDB, TVDB and the TMBD. I have already moved season 2 to season 1 and changed the lede on all three seasons, but season 3 needs to be moved over an existing redirect (from moving S2 to S1 Dimspace (talk) 00:25, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Question: Is The Challenge: Champs vs. Stars a separate show to The Challenge (TV series) or are they seasons of that show? --Gonnym (talk) 01:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * They are considered seperate shows on the TVDB https://thetvdb.com/series/the-challenge-champs-vs-pros v https://thetvdb.com/series/the-challenge-champs-vs-stars as well as on both IMDB and TMDB. It was raised at Talk:The Challenge (TV series) back in 2018 but nobody followed up. All the major databases have them as seperate shows and then Champs v stars as S1 and S2. Makes sense for us to be consistent with imdb/tvdb/tmdb. And yes, as far as the main Challenge series goes they are spin offs (just as the challenge itself is a spin off from real world and road rules). The Challenge has separate season numbering.  Dimspace (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is IMDb is certainly not – and I'm pretty sure TVDB isn't either – considered to be a WP:Reliable source, so that's no help at all. Probably the only thing that matters is whether MTV considered them "different shows" or "different seasons of the same show". Until that question is answered, I am unable to offer a !vote on this, and I'm guessing Gonnym can't either... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * In the absence of any new evidence, I'm leaning oppose on this now. This can always be revisited later in light of additional evidence. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Verify season number?
There seems to be some confusion on this topic in regards to what season number this is. The first line refers to a "second" installment with a premiere on April 2018, which the main page for The Challenge says this is the "third" installment. Can anyone clarify here, as this is also the direct result of an IP trying to copy&paste content from The Challenge: Champs vs. Stars (season 1) into the page now moved to [[The Challenge: Champs vs. Stars (season 3) for the time being. Jalen Folf   (talk)  00:27, 3 December 2021 (UTC)