Talk:The Chronic/Archive 1

Zig-Zag Rolling Papers
The album cover itself is a homage to Zig-Zag rolling papers. Single width and 70mm long "Zig-Zag White"--Alembic 10:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Samples
Somebody told me Dre doesn't use samples very often, and usually has professional studio musicians recreate the songs he wants to reference so they can be in the right key without any loss of audio quality. I'm pretty familiar with Parliament's Mothership Connection and the allegedly sampled synth tones do sound noticeably different in places. and i'm pretty sure Fuck wit Dre Day just quotes the lyrics to Atomic Dog, which is obviously not the same thing as sampling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.251.170 (talk) 07:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Track Listing
Why no track listing? ReverendG 07:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The Chronic is NOT G-Funk
This album is not G-Funk. The word G-Funk didn't exist when that album came out. That's the reason why in The Chronic, the term G-Funk is used 0 times, as in Dogystyle, it is used 7 times. The first album of G-Funk ever is Black Mafia Life, and came out about 2 monthes later. Before Black Mafia Life, there was no such word is G-Funk. It's only after Black Mafia Life came out that The Chronic has been claimed to be G-Funk.

I think it makes sence to say that some music cannot be said to belong to a certain style when this style doesn't exist yet --SuperBleda 15:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * See talk:G-funk Tuf-Kat

No, you are wrong. This album STARTED that sound. The word G-Funk doesn't have to be mentioned for this album to be classified as G-Funk. That entire West Coast sound was Dr. Dres's trademark. Get your facts right.


 * For nearly four years, G-funk dominated hip-hop

http://www.mp3.com/dr.-dre/artists/21584/biography.html


 * Dr. Dre stepped out from behind N.W.A.'s mixing board with The Chronic, bringing his 'g-funk' gangster-rap to the mainstream."


 * In came archetypal G-Funk, laid-back, head-bobbing beats and rich, resonant keyboard loops that became the calling card for hip-hop of the '90s.

http://www.nudeasthenews.com/90s/reviews/firstlaunch50/71chronic.htm


 * The sound, style, and performances of "Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang" were like nothing else on the early-'90s hip-hop scene, and its impact was tremendous, with mainstream hip-hop trying to imitate it and the rest of The Chronic for at least four years afterwards.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=33:9rb8b5m4psxj


 * Dr. Dre releases his solo debut, "The Chronic." With it's heavy emphasis on deep rolling bass and funk grooves--it takes hardcore gangsta rap into more accessible, radio-friendly territory and becomes the biggest rap album of the year behind the huge single, "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang." Dre's new sound--dubbed 'G-Funk'--reinvents the entire West Coast rap scene, and signals the beginning of a West Coast-dominated rap charts.

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_rap-timeline2.html


 * I gotta agree with Chubdub here. Regardless of whether or not the term 'G-funk' existed at the time 'The Chronic' was released, there is no question that the album was the main progenitor of the sound. Just because Above the Law and Cold 187um attached the label to it later does not mean the sound didn't exist. - Beatnik S. 00:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

G-funk's tenure
I changed the part about G-funk being the "dominant sound in 1990s hip hop" to "several years after its release" (its = The Chronic's). This album came out in 1992, but by '96, harder East Coast rap was rising in popularity, and in 1997 Sean Combs' stable of acts and his own No Way Out album were dominating the album charts. So I think '92-96 is about the longest time period we can say was dominated by G-funk.| Klaw ¡digame! 03:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree most definitely. Good catch. Alexander 007 03:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah G-Funk was lessened in popularity by that time..only artists usin it by then were Daz and DJ Quik, maybe Warren G, and probly some unknown producers...so I agree. PCP MC 16:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Sample
-Sorry, im new to this editing thing, but doesnt the song Lyrical Gangbang contain a sample of the drums from Led Zeppelin-When the levee breaks


 * Yeah it does, the drums.PCP MC 16:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Added that into the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.87.87.212 (talk • contribs).

The song doesn't sample "Valdez In The Country" By "The Nite Lighters". I did a search if there's a band called The Nite Lighters, but I found out that their name is The Nite-Liters.  I've searched about Valdez In The Country, and found out it's some popular song covered by atleast 4 artists (Ernie Watts, Gerald Veasley, and some others I forgot...) The structure of this song, the melody, etc... is different from any sound heard on "Lyrical Gangbang". Luckily, I found a song by The Nite-Liters titled "Damn", and it's clearly the song sampled on Dre's track.

I hope that clears things up. :) Sabertooth 14:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Text to be merged from "A Nigga Witta Gun"
A Nigga Witta Gun is the eighth track on Dr.Dre's The Chronic album (released December, 1992),. The lyrics (three verses) were written by Snoop Dogg and The D.O.C. and produced and performed by Dr.Dre.

== Description == Track running is 3 minutes 52 seconds. The song begins with a cinematic skit, where Dr.Dre confronts a person who was "talking shit" and puts a gun in his mouth.

== Intro ==

Dr.Dre puts his gun in the suspected shit-talker's mouth:


 * Dr.Dre: "Listen up, nigga. You know Lucifer?"
 * Shit-talker:"Naw."
 * Dr.Dre:"You're about to meet him motherfucker." (Dre pulls trigger, a gunshot cracks and the bass riff comes in at 0:23, sampled from John P. Hammond's Big Sur Suite)

The hook incorporates a vocal sample from the Kay Gees' 1974 song, Master Plan: "Who's the man with the master plan?"; after which Snoop delivers the rest of the hook: "A nigga witta muthafuckin' gun".

...
Someone has messed with this article a lot with the "Dre jokin' about the chronic's name and feelin' sorry about it"

If he really felt sorry about the name, he wouldn't do another album in 1999 by the name of "Chronic 2001".

Many people got it wrong about Dre not smoking just because of a lyric in 1989 about smoking "gives brain damage".

Will somebody please return the article like it was before? -- Sabertooth 13:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Image
This image looks like someone took a low-res scan of the back cover and typed the track listing in themselves. It doesn't look very good. (Ibaranoff24 12:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC))
 * yeah but the one they putted up now misses bitches ain't shit on it's tracklist. Waitingfordresdetox

the chronic
could've the album also been named The Chronic because of a disease being chronic, and dr dre having dr as his nickname saying it's chronic disease- SCB &#39;92 18:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Dre makes a clear reference to *the* Chronic, as in marijuana, in his song "Let Me Ride."
 * 24.174.111.197 (talk) 02:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

GAN on hold

 * Lead should probably be expanded into a few paragraphs - discussing album content/recording in 2nd, reception in 3rd, and basic stuff in 1st. ✅
 * I rewrote the lead into 2 sections - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Its peak position" - the album's, or Dr. Dre's? I know, but it's not clear ✅
 * Background section should probably be named Overview. That's what it is... ✅
 * "half-brother, — all of whom" - what's the deal with the comma? And you don't usually have a space around em dashes ✅
 * "The album has been re-released twice, first as a remastered CD, then as a remastered DualDisc with enhanced stereo and four videos." - ref? ✅
 * Most of the content in the Production section is praise and stuff. How was the album actually recorded? ✅
 * "July 11th, 2000 publication" - wlink dates ✅
 * I went through all the refs and gave the websites original date of articles, so I have removed this sentence because the reader can see the date of the publication at the 'references' section at the bottem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk • contribs) 20:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "decisively expanded the hip-hop audience into the suburbs. [7]" - WP:FN - no spaces before ref ✅
 * "occasionally interrupted by gunplay". [7]" - again ✅
 * A stack of quoting in the Lyrics section; use your own words more ✅
 * Why do 2 singles get their own sections, but not the other two? ✅
 * Added section for "Let Me Ride", I couldn't find a source to prove "Lil Ghetto Boy" was released as a single. - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 21:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Lil Ghetto Boy may need to be redirected to here then. But that's up to you. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Leave me a note when done. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 03:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "ranked #137 in Rolling Stone's" - RS needs italics, and you don't need to wlink it all the time ✅

Looking much better, very nice work. Passed. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

So you'd like to go for FA, would you? Well, it would need a bit more work, obviously, but that can be done! One thing I notice is that there's no audio sample; these are generally expected on featured album articles. Also, a free image, if possible (of a performance, perhaps?) would be good.

Other than that I don't see any major issues. The biggest thing is prose and MOS compliance (dashes and stuff - WP:DASH - are a big deal :( Also make sure all the sources easily meet WP:RS; at a glance they mostly look good. Wlink publishers (All Music Guide, New York Times, etc.) to make it easier to check.

A peer review would be a good idea; try and get hold of some people who've worked on these sorts of articles before, ask around at WikiProjects, etc. There's no hurry, just try and make the article as good as possible before going to FAC - you want to spend as little time as possible there. Gimme a yell if you need any help or a copyedit or anything. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added three audio samples to the article, could you check to see if they work ok and have the appropriate fair-use and licensing ? Thanks - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Might want to copy paste the formatting for the box from, say, Odyssey Number Five; it took me a while to find the link to the image description page (in the end I had to view the wikicode). Otherwise good. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

samples part 3
i was just wondering the article for this particular song Strawberry Letter 23 mentions the song was sampleed by dr.dre on the chronic granted it is unsourced but none the less does anybody know if this song was sampled for the alblum because the song is not mentioned in the article--Wikiscribe (talk) 16:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The Chronic Re-Lit
should there be a mention of the Chronic Re-Lit re-release? with the 7 bonus tracks

Siwhat (talk) 06:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

tracklist of chronic relit and from the vault should be added.
its on itunes and amazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.175.201 (talk) 16:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Track listing section
I recently edited the track listing section to fit in with Wikipedia's common standards for album articles. I used the track listing template we are supposed to use, and formatted everything correctly. It was then reverted, with the edit summary "unnecessary, previous format was efficient in displaying everything". Can we have some sort of vote on this... surely we should be looking to make this article consistent with other similar ones on Wikipedia, and use the tools at our disposal. I think everyone will also agree that it looked a hell of a lot better with the track listing template. I'd like to get some thoughts on this, and hopefully move towards going back to the way I put it, of course. Take a look here to see what I'm talking about. Andre666 (talk) 20:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Album is named after hydroponic
Snoop Dogg says the album name came from hydroponic and he is a good source for many reasons including being on the album http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/snoop-dogg-reveals-what-the-chronic-means-while-getting-high-with-seth-rogen-9526568.html 80.1.219.140 (talk) 02:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)