Talk:The Circus Starring Britney Spears/Archive 1

Tour to Support Blackout
The tour is also to support her previous album Blackout as stated by britney on Britney for the recrod as there was no tour for blackout —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.20.156 (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. The article should be adjusted to include both Circus and Blackout under the "Promote" section. 66.153.174.40 (talk)PanasonicPenguin

It really needs to say that she is also supporting Blackout with this tour because thats a very big part of it!!

Yeah, there are six songs from Blackout, plus two more are used as interludes. So that makes eight songs from Blackout and two from Circus, pretty clear it supports Blackout too right?
 * Wrong. It's not the "amount" of songs from a particular album you perform that's the deciding factor on what album your tour is supporting, in most cases (and in this case). Britney is supporting her Circus album with her "The Circus Starring Britney Spears" tour. It doesn't matter whether she performs more Blackout songs than Circus songs, the tour is in support for her current album Circus, not her past album Blackout. Therefore the article needs to make it clear that this tour is in support for her current album. If this were "The Blackout/Circus Tour", it'd be a different story, but it's not. Percxyz (talk) 20:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But Britney herself said Blackout would be a big part of the tour and the tour was meant to be a lot of new stuff. ---Shadow (talk) 06:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but just because Blackout is a big part of the tour doesn't mean the tour is supporting Blackout. The same thing goes for all her other past albums. If she did 7/8 songs from In The Zone, would the tour be in support of Circus and In The Zone - no. The tour would be in support of Circus, with 7/8 songs from In The Zone. The same rule applies for Blackout. When an artist puts out a new album, if they decide to go on tour, they're touring in support of their new album, no matter how many songs from previous albums are featured. If it's not "officially" supporting Blackout, it shouldn't be stated that it's supporting Blackout. Percxyz (talk) 10:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

britney spears herself said that the tour was to support blackout as well as circus, just because its called the circus tour means nothing, her previous tour was called the onyx hotel tour does britney spears have an album called the onyx hotel... no its just a name and because she has not had a tour to support blackut and considering that there are a lot of blackout songs the circus starring britney spears is a tour to support circus as well as blackout, another similar example is Madonna's drowned world tour which was to support both her albums ray of light and music check out the page if you have the time so i think it should say blackout and circus and its not fair for people to change things on this site soley on what your personal oppinion is this site is for everybody and if there is a problem then people should work things out instead of just changing things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonispears (talk • contribs) 12:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can supply a WP:RS with Britney's quote on this it would help. But really, the whole "tour supports an album" notion is almost out of date at this point.  With album sales plummeting and tour prices and scopes increasing, many artists make more money from the tour than they do from the album.  This is especially true of veteran acts like the Rolling Stones, McCartney, Springsteen, etc., but is also true of younger acts as well.  Britney's tour should probably be viewed as a separate artistic effort and business venture, apart from any of her album releases.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Tonispears, I don't know where Britney herself said the tour is in support of Both albums, but like Wasted Time R said, if you can find a reliable source stating she said this, then Blackout can be added (and should be added.) But until it's "officially" known that the tour supports Blackout, I still stand strongly by what I've already said. As far as the "personal opinion" thing is concerned, I believe it's more of a personal opinion to add Blackout to the list just because there's more songs performed from Blackout than Circus, based on the fact that it has not been officially stated that the tour supports Blackout. If there were more songs from In The Zone or Britney performed, would the tour support Circus and In The Zone/Britney? No. Same thing applies to Blackout. 'Working it out' instead of changing it won't help either, unfortunately. Since the time this article has been created, there's been a constant edit war regarding what album(s) this tour supports/doesn't support, and it was becoming pretty detrimental to the article and needed to be stopped once and for all. As far as the Madonna Drowned World Tour is concerned, that's a separate issue altogether and doesn't apply to this. Percxyz (talk) 19:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Madonna went on her DrownedWorld Tour after Music was released but the Infobox for that tour says Supporting albums: Ray Of Light/Music. That could apply to this current Circus tour. However, it's true Drowned World is a track taken from Madonna's Ray Of Light album and the show opener. Israell (talk) 08:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes but when AEG Live was talking about the tour they kinda mentioned she's gonna use this tour for promoting her LATEST TWO ALBUMS and that include Blackout I suppose. PlatinumFire (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

dates
Is there any chance she would tour the rest of the Europe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.215.105 (talk) 15:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

2 new shows Londontown is getting seriously spoiled...

Two more dates have been added to the London O2 Arena: Saturday, June 13 and Sunday, June 14! That brings the number of shows in London up to EIGHT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.249.212.52 (talk) 22:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Why did someone delete the tour dates for Paris and Argentina? Weren't they cited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.90.64 (talk) 12:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

starring
Grammar aside, Spears lists this herself as with a capital S. Should this article no reflect what its official name is? MrMarmite (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The same applies for the colon. The young poplette might not understand the basics of English, but as she would say, it's her prerogative. She chooses the lack of colon and the article should reflect that, MrMarmite (talk) 08:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Dates
Please note that wiki policy is no longer to wiki link dates. Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 17:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Why countries?
We already put the city, why we have to put the country? I will delete this. If someone think that I'm wrong about this, please, tell me.Renanx3 (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the country should be replaced by the state for American cities and the province for Canadian cities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.90.64 (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

New Date
She will be preforming at Columbus, OH on April 30th. http://dispatch.com/live/content/life/stories/2008/12/16/BRITNEY.html?sid=101 <-- there's the reference  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.175.145 (talk) 00:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The tour is being directed by Jamie King (Spice Girls, Back To Basics, and Oops World Tours) and musical direction will be done by Simon Ellis. The tour will be a three ring circus that envelops Brittany's life ending with her emerging from a thunderstorm at the end of a rainbow. As past choreographer described it to be a spectacle and that we haven't seen anything like this yet.

Get excited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsmit1190 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Sold Tickets
Her OFFICIAL website announced that in 6 days 500.000 tickets where already sold yet I see this nowhere on here! This is vital information! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.25.98.70 (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Article is lacking
Wow, this article is lacking so much information! Absolutely nothing about ticket sales? WTF? Nothing about the firing/quitting of her previous tour director? I also think the chart with the dates needs to be changed. It would make much more sense to have the country section changed to say the state/province of the location. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.90.64 (talk) 01:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Article has been target of sockpuppets
FYI, this article has been a subject of edits by sockpuppets since its creation. Alkclark and Dancefloor royalty and KM*hearts*MC and 64.140.0.3 are all the same person, operating in conjunction. See Suspected sock puppets/Alkclark. Also be on the lookout for new editors popping up with a similar agenda as theirs. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Add User:Jj wiki1 to the list of sockpuppets, see Sockpuppet investigations/Alkclark/Archive. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * And User:Lyonhunter, see same link. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * And User:Grantruly. By WP:BAN his edits can be reverted, if you can sort them out in the long article history.  Wasted Time R (talk) 03:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Opening Act Madonna ???
Hey I changed that, because Madonna will not open the concert, she will only sing with Britney in one of the songs.You need to get information very well, believe me I know what I'm telling you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.216.222.193 (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

By: Luucas Jarudêe page: http://www.circusvip.com/profile/LuucasJarudee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.43.111.74 (talk) 15:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Madonna and Britney touring in Australia
it's all over the Google/Internet that both Madonna and Britney will tour together and venues near eachother as well i found one link as there is many others as well that is confirming it http://in.movies.yahoo.com/news-detail/43189/Madge-Britney-touring-Australia-year.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.158.241 (talk) 01:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes. This is very true. It's all over Australian radio. Here might be a better source: --BrenMadge (talk) 02:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Should it be added to the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.158.241 (talk) 03:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No yet, wait for it to me confirmed. Or say: "Britney currently has plans to tour Australia along side with Madonna. This is yet to be confirmed." Something on the lines of that. --BrenMadge (talk) 06:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone should add it to the page because idk how to do it. The tour is in all talks with Australia now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.158.241 (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Virgin Mobile
I undid the move which added the sponsors name but screwed up moving the talk page back. Could an admin take care of that? Cheers MrMarmite (talk) 10:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have moved the article to "The Circus: Starring Britney Spears", as I see nothing in the sources to verify which is the proper destination and my first point is to get the two back together. If the proper destination is "The Circus Starring: Britney Spears", the two should be moved together. I don't see any punctuation at all in the sources I've looked at (http://www.britneyspears.com/2009/01/virgin-mobile-announced-as-britneys-tour-sponsor.php calls it "Virgin Mobile Presents the Circus Starring Britney Spears", no punctuation and a few extra words) and am wondering why this isn't at least at The Circus Starring Britney Spears. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Not sure how they got split in the first place. The colon was added sometime ago by another editor. You are right that it is not in the official title, but I guess it was felt that the grammatical error was so jarring it needed to be addressed :) MrMarmite (talk) 08:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. If assistance is needed moving it again, you might want to ask an admin directly or post it at WP:RM. It was kind of by happenstance that I noticed your request here, when I was doing recent changes patrol and noted that we had a fairly active talk page that seemed to have no article. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Circus set up
There are images everywhere of what is to be said what the set stage will look like. Should a picture be inserted along with it's own little new section describing the set? Source is here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.158.241 (talk) 11:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sell out London shows?
Ok, this is weird. Britney's official website claims that all london shows d out. But if you browse ticketmaster, you can still buy tickets for any of london shows. How is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.74.61 (talk) 03:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It's because she added more tours in Europe due to the amount of demand she was getting for it. She must not have updated it yet. Alexander.hugh.george (talk) 17:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

page title
The tour is called "The Circus Starring: Britney Spears". The colon is misplaced in the current title. Sorry it just bothers me because the title is such a big part of it.


 * The colon is not even in the title. The title is: Virgin mobile PRESENTS THE CIRCUS STARRING BRITNEY SPEARS Tokeltel 20:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokeltel (talk • contribs)

Tour's Songs
Where did someone get this information from? Tokeltel 10:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokeltel (talk • contribs)

I'm guessing from going to the tour?? Alexander.hugh.george (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Info
Who keeps taking the Australian info off? Even though it's a rumor for now shouldn't it be part of the content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.203.43 (talk) 09:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Set List
The set list has been confirmed by Spears official site [link: http://www.britneyspears.com/2009/03/exclusive-the-setlist.php] so it should be added to the page. Aaronbutterfield (talk) 21:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!! Aaronbutterfield (talk) 22:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

ADD THIS!
This article from a very reliable source states that: 'a lot of shows are sold out or nearly sold out'

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/03/02/2009-03-02_big_comeback_in_big_easy_britney_spears_.html

This has to be in the article so people can see how well the tour is doing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.25.117.15 (talk) 15:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Reviews
ok people! not only the positive reviews count!!! so STOP deleting them!!!! (MariAna Mimi 18:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC))

Tour going to Dubai
I thought this could be added:

Al Braik Investments & "AEG Live Nation" are working together to bring Britney Spears over to Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates. Official word has been released confirming that Britney Spears will be performing a concert in Dubai in October/November 2009.

It is now all over the net:

Official Article: http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090226/NATIONAL/357336318&SearchID=73347377864145

Spreading all over the net: http://www.breatheheavy.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1236442448&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

PCD setlist?
Why does the opening act's setlist in this page? I read that this is the American leg of their tour, so i think it should be moved to their page.
 * I think it should stay as for the tour they headline elsewhere they have a different setlist.Wneedham02 (talk) 17:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, that's why i think the World Domination Tour should have an American leg setlist, and a setlist for the European leg in THEIR page. plus, i don't see Lady gaga's setlist in there. xwomanizerx

I actually don't believe that this is the North American leg of their tour. I also read that somewhere as well, but I think that was just said because they're not touring North America in the first place - but because they're opening for Brit on HER North American leg, it was maybe thought out that this was also their 'NA' leg as well, however that hasn't been confirmed at all. So far they're technically only touring 2 areas, Europe and Oceania. There's nothing that states or confirms them touring the US and Canada. Also their regular setlist for their tour contains 24 songs, whereas their setlist for Brit's opening act only contains 8. This really is an 'opening act' type of show for them, and not a regular setlist/setting for a full-out tour, so I think it's best that we keep their opening act setlist in the Circus tour article the way it is. If a reliable source confirms that this is indeed their North American leg and setlist, then it can be moved to their tour article. Percxyz (talk) 04:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Mannequin?
What about mannequin? Is she going to perform the song once the single is out?

Reviews?
Does there need to be so many reviews and if so then could they be shortened as it just looks like a sea of words.Wneedham02 (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, the reviews section of the article is way overcrowded. There's too many reviews (13, to be exact.) There should be no more than 4 to 6 good, descriptive reviews for the tour. Any more than that is too much, especially when they're all saying the same thing anyway - that the show was, for the most part, a success. I decided to cut the review section in half, leaving the longer, more descriptive reviews in, and taking the short, non descriptive one's that basically say the same thing as the longer ones out. 7 reviews should be decent enough for the Critical Reception section. Percxyz (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm... Actually three quarters of the reviews paragraph features bad reviews of the show, but generally the show had good reviews! People are going to think that it hasn't been well received. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.189.218 (talk) 01:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Somebody changed the section, adding more sources stating the tour was lipsynched, than those that stated it was an overall success, which I hadn't even noticed. I reverted the section back, re-adding six positive reviews, and two not-so-positive reviews to try and make it unbiased. The tour is still an overall success despite the fact that it's lipsynched, and should be stated as such. Percxyz (talk) 05:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * To be quite blunt, all the reviews published both praised and panned Spear's performance. The reviews were mixed, not overall good. Also, the pulled quotes focused on Spears' comeback and not an analyzation of her performance during the tour. Some of the quotes were pulled from the comment section and not the actual article. Removed some quotes as a majority seemed to be from the New Orleans show. I spread the opinions out by dates, not focusing on one show. Also, just a tidbit, when you quote something, you are quoting the author, not the magazine in general. Grantruly (talk) 19:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

"Vagina" Incident
Should you put this under malfuctions? It was stated that her "VAGINA (she says PUSSY in the video) IS HANGING OUT OF THIS FREAKING (she says FUCKING in the video) THING!" then the mic went dead. You should put a malfunction section. All the other tours have one. Video LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhPDpRBv4s&eurl=

This really isn't notable enough for a malfunction/controversy section. It did in fact happen (as hilarious as it was), however it was backstage while getting ready for a costume change unaware the mic was still on. It was a minor mistake at best and didn't really stir up enough controversy to have its own section. If she had said it while she was still on stage in the middle of a performance in front of the entire audience, then it would maybe be notable enough (but that's a pretty strong maybe.) Percxyz (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Gimme More
Can someone edit the part of the setlist that says that the Gimme More remix includes elements of The Way I Are? The remix is actually the Lazrtag remix, also available on YouTube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.132.1.23 (talk) 05:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Percxyz (talk) 05:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Toxic Breakdown and guest stars
Should someone add that in the Toxic performance at Nassau Coliseum - Long Island, NY, she did an extra breakdown. Here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyXw-SMnf1k Also Madonna was at that concert and Fergie the one after according to her Twitter. Tokeltel 11:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokeltel (talk • contribs)

Additional Notes section??
Is stating every celebrity who attended her show really necessary, or even notable? I really don't think it is, and should be removed. There's not even any sources backing this information up. Now if the celebrities mentioned in the section made an actual guest appearance on stage with Britney, that's a different story, then it's notable. But simply stating "who attended" is not. Celebrities go to concerts all the time, it's nothing special. Percxyz (talk) 20:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

About the tour/About the show
Entitling the "About the tour" section as such is inaccurate, as the section only describes the events of the actual show. It mentions details from the video introduction with Perez Hilton, to Britney performing in her gold cage, to the sawed in half magic trick, to the Bollywood theme she does to Me Against The Music, to the dance and video interludes, to the performance of the Slave 4 U remix, to the encore performance of Womanizer. All of those aspects are about the show itself, not the actual tour. Aspects of the tour include tour concept, stage setup, special effects, wardrobe, locations in which the tour will be performed, ticket sales, special guests, etc - none of which are mentioned in the section, making "About the show" a more accurate title. Percxyz (talk) 23:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

That's cause you removed the other part. I put it there based on on tour pages. The rescheduled date should be noted. ---Shadow (talk) 02:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

That actually wasn't me that removed it, but it did note that the March 26th show was postponed to May 3rd, if I remember right.. it definitely should be noted (as should all postponed dates), if anything probably on the 'Tour Dates' section. I'll add it there. Percxyz (talk) 07:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok then, thanks. Like I said, I just put it there based on other tour pages. ---Shadow (talk) 08:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Paris Dates
These shouldn't be added unless it's confirmed by Britney Spears herself, so I am deleting them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokeltel (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Duffy's "I'm Scared"
This song has been added, then taken off, then added again, then taken off again, and so on and so on, from the set list. Bottom line, however, there is no point in placing the song in the article, as it was only featured the first night of the tour, but not only that, Britney didn't even perform the song in the first place because of a miscue, only her backup singers did (as specifically reported in the People Magazine review), and as shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjD5Wl8iGXc

Therefore, song in question really isn't notable or relevant enough to be placed in the set list considering the circumstances. Percxyz (talk) 07:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well in that case, then none of the interludes should be included because Britney didn't actually sing in any of them. People isn't exactly what I'd consider a reliable source. If you look at any of the videos of the New Orleans performance, you can clearly hear HER voice, there's no mistaking it. Also, the article for the Dream Within a Dream tour includes every song she ever performed on it, despite the fact that she didn't perform them every night. Bottom line is that it was part of the tour, and this article is about the tour. Keeping it in the article, along with noting that it was only on the first day should be sufficient. If you really want to say it wasn't a performance, then it should STILL be included, marked as an interlude.Kiwisoup (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Now that I've thunk about it some more.....was the performance of "I'm Scared" really supposed to be a performance, or was it supposed to be an interlude in the first place?? People mag. did say that it was a mis-cue on her part, but you're right, they're not always the most reliable. And if you watch the video, she clearly leaves the stage as the backup singers and music come on, it's not as though she forgot to enter the stage when the song started, she did the exact opposite. So maybe it is indeed an interlude, and should maybe be stated as such.. Percxyz (talk) 00:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Tour picture
Move the picture somewhere else. Maybe in the 'About Show', where it's positioned right now, it doesnt look right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.149.157 (talk) 08:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I moved it down I think, if you disagree then you can undo it. I thought it could go beside the tour dates as there is a lot of space there but decided it would make more sense to be in the Set List section. Tokeltel 20:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokeltel (talk • contribs)

Why did someone place it over the circus logo? Tokeltel 23:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokeltel (talk • contribs)

I agree, take the performance of Everytime off as the page picture. Its meant to be the Circus promo photo

Yes, please take that ugly Everytime pic off and put the promo banner back up 134.153.103.37 (talk) 22:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. However, I still think that 'Everytime' picture just looks kinda "off". Maybe it's just me.. Percxyz (talk) 01:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Are we allowed to take pictures off of her official site? Those would be great pics to add. ---Shadow (talk) 01:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you should contact her official site before putting photos up on the page. Copyright infringements could lead to the photos being taken off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.149.157 (talk) 05:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The poster image in the infobox was removed by now-blocked editor User:Grantruly with this edit. But the stated reason of "Please note that once free images are avilable, all non-free images are to be removed from the article" is incorrect; there is nothing wrong with having a fair use non-free official poster of the tour in the infobox, and then having free use photos of the concert itself later on in the article body. Album and single articles do this all the time with fair use covers; see FA articles Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Sky Blue Sky, and Love. Angel. Music. Baby. for a few examples. I've restored the poster image up top accordingly. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Additional notes ?
I came across an article I found in the Herald Sun about Australian fans having to pay $150 bucks to see Britney "mime". Should this be included in additional notes? Source: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25248914-5006024,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.149.157 (talk) 05:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

No... that's a normal price (Jonas have been selling for $400). The mime comment makes this seem a hate thing. Tokeltel 13:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokeltel (talk • contribs)

The Page Is A Mess
The tour dates are placed in such a way that it looks like crap...

The total gross revenue for the 11 shows doesn't fit...I counted it and it's over 25 million..NOT 23 million...yall really need to learn how to use a calculator... <-- looks like YOU need to learn how to use a calculator. I copied and pasted the numbers into Excel and used AutoSum to find 23,974,429!

The critical reception is a mess...the way it was before was way better...just one short column for every review so far...

And since when do we add fan's reactions to the critical reception part? They are not trained professionals and certainly don't know if a show is good or not....

And also...all the reviews have been positive with one exception...a lot of the reviews name her miming as a problem...although a lot also say that it's a Britney show and that was to be expected....it also should be included in the artcile that since Britney's 2nd tour critics have always critisized her miming..it isn't new...it's always been like that....

Update: And the article gets more unreliable with the addition of: Tour ends in November..

No it doesn't! It ends in June! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.25.117.15 (talk) 12:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

No it doesnt end in June, because it hasnt been confirmed yet if the tour is reaching parts of Asia and Australia

tour supporting album
i think the supporting album should written:Circus,Greatest hits:my prerogative

because she is performing alot of songs and the most of them are not included on circus and the most are included in Greatest hits:my prerogative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.64.53 (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but no. This has already been discussed. See the top of this page for more info regarding this. Percxyz (talk) 15:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That was a greatest hits album, that is what they are all about, previous songs with a few new ones. Her performing Do Somethin' doesn't mean it either. ---Shadow (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

profile picture
whoever is changing the picture, please dont. the circus promo photo is better off as a performance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.149.157 (talk) 05:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Concert Line Up / Opening
you guys mentioned everything that goes in the concert except the performences by the big apple circus. I went to see the show yesterday night at the tacoma dome in tacoma washington.And before the the opening video there was some circus act such as the guy with the spining fence and cube ,flexible girl, hula hoop girl, clowns etc. these acts took a chunk of the concert and i think they should be included in the concert line or at least get its on section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.157.8.17 (talk) 20:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Random Outbursts??
If they are there, then you should put what show she said it at. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdhnvegas (talk • contribs) 01:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Box Office Score Data???
One - there's only 10 dates included in this section,

and Two - they're poorly sourced. Actually they're technically not sourced at all, there's nothing cited that shows the numbers/sales for the section. I'm not really experienced with finding out box office score datas and what not, but the section really does need to be updated and properly cited.Percxyz (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

No it is corrected and sourced correctly..you just need to be a member of Billboard to view it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.25.117.15 (talk) 10:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay, I wasn't aware of that. Cool. However there's still only 10 dates listed. But I guess when more info becomes available, somebody will add the rest of the dates. Percxyz (talk) 03:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

11 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls Tacoma Dome Tacoma, Wash. April 9, 2009 $1,694,410 21,828 / 21,828 1 / 1 $96, $76, $35 Concerts West/AEG Live

12 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls Sprint Center Kansas City, Mo. April 2, 2009 $1,567,486 16,872 / 16,872 1 / 1 $126, $96, $55, $39.50 Concerts West/AEG Live

13 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls Mellon Arena Pittsburgh, Pa. March 27, 2009 $1,553,944 16,146 / 16,146 1 / 1 $131.25, $99.75, $57.75, $41.48 Concerts West/AEG Live

14 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls General Motors Place Vancouver, British Columbia April 8, 2009 $1,552,132 18,040 / 18,040 1 / 1 $104.09, $79.60, $44.90, $32.25 Concerts West/AEG Live

16 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls Rexall Place Edmonton, Alberta April 6, 2009 $1,422,220 17,109 / 17,109 1 / 1 $102.27, $77.77, $44.90, $32.25 Concerts West/AEG Live

17 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls Target Center Minneapolis, Minn. April 3, 2009 $1,420,032 17,684 / 17,684 1 / 1 $127, $97, $55, $39.50 Concerts West/AEG Live

22 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls Oracle Arena Oakland, Calif. April 22, 2009 $1,310,285 17,694 / 17,694 1 / 1 $150, $81, $65, $37.75 Concerts West/AEG Live

23 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls ARCO Arena Sacramento, Calif. April 11, 2009 $1,293,323 14,975 / 14,975 1 / 1 $127.50, $97.50, $55, $39.50 Concerts West/AEG Live

30 Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls EnergySolutions Arena Salt Lake City, Utah April 14, 2009 $1,076,551 17,095 / 17,095 1 / 1 $127, $97, $55, $39.50 Concerts West/AEG Live —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.212.73.217 (talk) 21:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Heartbeat (Dance Interlude)
Not just those four songs are in the interlude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMwFukRlrQ I don't know the others, but clearly those aren't the only ones that are the interlude. Enanoj1111 (talk) 23:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, but those are the most popular songs featured in the interlude. According to the video, there's 13 songs altogether. Adding all 13 featured songs in the setlist would clutter it up pretty bad, so just the most known ones should be included. Any more than 4 is probably too much. Percxyz (talk) 02:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Images?
Are all the images necessary? Wneedham02 (talk) 21:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems a bit much. Preference should be given to those that best illustrate the different thematic aspects of the show and to those that are of better quality (some are pretty grainy/low resolution).  Wasted Time R (talk) 23:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, the page is really messy, someone clean it up. Remove the images. Only one or two of Britney performing should be nessecary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.149.157 (talk) 00:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. Percxyz (talk) 00:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Album
it supports Blackout too —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.75.209 (talk) 11:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Read this Lloyd's article about tour economics and the notion of tours "supporting" albums being obsolete: "But with the decline in CD sales, performers now rely increasingly on their earnings from touring, a trend known as ‘gigonomics’."  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This should be added
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/robin-leachs-las-vegas-celebrity-watch/2009/apr/24/britneys-circus-and-kennys-carnival/

Its president, John Meglen, told me: “It is one of the biggest and best-selling tours of the decade. Response and reaction has been phenomenal worldwide, and this weekend date at MGM is the highest ticket-selling gross so far. European fans cannot wait for her to get there, and in many, many venues, the tickets have been sold out instantly, and we’ve had to juggle dates to add more shows to meet the demand.”

It really shows how much of a succes this tour is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.25.117.15 (talk) 10:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Video Interlude Should Be Added
There is a video interlude before "Me Against the Music" and i think it should be put on the set list. All the video was was Bollywood Hand-Movements to the Beat of Me Against the Music. I believe it should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.104.165 (talk) 02:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The interlude can only be added if it's part of the official set list. It isn't unfortunately, although I think it should have been. Oh well.. Percxyz (talk) 03:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Russia Is NOT Confirmed
Someone keeps adding that Russia is confirmed but it isn't...Britney's official website did not confirm Russia!--Ikkomuitnederland (talk) 11:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

it is http://www.britneyspears.com/2009/04/updated-tour-announcement-eastern-european-dates-added.php (90.240.175.184 (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC))

Changes Being Made
One of Britney's 2 managers, Adam Leber, confirmed on his Twitter that Britney is reworking the choreography to several songs and that new remixes are being made...should this be added in the article?

--84.25.117.15 (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Redirection of The Circus Tour
The Circus Tour redirects to Britney's tour page. However, British boyband Take That are also touring this summer with a show entitled Take That Present: The Circus Live which is shortened to The Circus Tour in some media (due to their album being called The Circus. Shouldn't a mention of that be put on this page in order for people looking for the Take That tour to go to the page for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuart1000 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you look at this list, only a couple of general redirects are to here. And they don't seem to be effective; this general Google search finds no WP articles in its first page of hits, but note that every hit is a reference to the Britney tour, not the Take That tour.  That shows that the Britney tour is far the better known.  If someone does this Google search for the Take That tour instead, the WP article on the Take That tour comes up as the first hit.  So I think everything is working okay as it is.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Ciara setlist
Isn't actually confirmed anywhere - we will have to wait until after tonight's show to confirm itUKWiki (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The concert synopsis is too short
I always try to expand it but when i do that, it is deleted. i think it should be more detailed. even gaga's tour synopsis is more details and it only has like ten songs. The Fame Ball Tour. xWomanizerx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xwomanizerx (talk • contribs) 01:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Rumors
Delete the show in Serbia. It's not confirmed at all. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovebritneynet (talk • contribs) 14:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The citation in question lists a reference that says that the Belgrade date was confirmed on BS' blog - and it clearly wasn't, so that source is *NOT* reliable at all. Someone remove the Belgrade date. Thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.174.13 (talk) 20:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Ciara: London Only?
Recently I've seen rumors that Ciara is only going to open for Britney in London. Has anyone found a source to support or deny this? ---Shadow (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, so hopefully someone reliable can come forth and say who opened for her at Manchester tonight? ---Shadow (talk) 01:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Redirect?
I think you should redirect "The Circus Tour" to this page.

Many people that search this concert mostly search "The circus tour" or "circus tour".

just a thought

Josemrdj (talk) 04:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Britney shouting wrong city in Manchester
ShadowRanger has removed both mine and another user's addition to the "Additional Notes" section, regarding Britney shouting "What's up London" in Manchester on June 17, citing "Those are not the types of notes we add.". Why not? It recieved a lot of attention on UK news, blog sites, magazines etc, and it seems like a similar type of note as Britney shouting "My pussy's hanging out" on March 8th, which is included. Surely this can be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.219.212 (talk)
 * The pussy comment resulted in a wardrobe change, thus making it important. She accidentally said the wrong city name. That is not a big deal. ---Shadow (talk) 00:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm in agreement with Shadow, Britney shouting out a wrong city (whether intentional or not) really isn't notable. Now if she shouted out the wrong city and got booed by the audience for it, or it resulted in people getting angry and throwing stuff on the stage, or something else along that proportion - then maybe, yes. But that wasn't the case, and such a minor situation really isn't needed here. Adding every single minor detail or issue within her performances only clutters up the article. The "my pussy is hanging out" situation is indeed notable for obvious reasons.. Percxyz (Call me Percy,  it's easier) 01:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

2 promo pics in infobox?
Is it just me or does it seem unnecessary? I think we should take off that 2nd one. I mean it's ugly anyway and serves no purpose. No other tour articles really have 2 posters in the infobox. Evolution7931 (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Columbus, OH misspelled under revenue section
Britney's only performance in Ohio was in April in Columbus. In the revenue grossing section Columbus is misspelled as "colombus." The correct spelling is Columbus, OH. Columbus is the 15 largest city in the US, there is not "colombus" america. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Streetcreed (talk • contribs) 19:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Opening Act in Paris, France
Hello, the singer Sliimy will do the opening act at the 6th July show in Paris, Bercy. Source : http://www.myspace.com/sliimy Totoj85 (talk) 21:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Australian Leg Date
I've read in a lot of web sites that the date between November 20th and NOvemeber 24th is November 21st. In the article appears listed as TBA. I think someone should chek this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortunato luigi (talk • contribs) 02:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

New Number
It has been confirmed she is adding a new song 'Mannequin' to her setlist tonight by her offical website. Spears remixed Get Naked. http://www.britneyspears.com/2009/07/the-new-number-is.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.52.55 (talk) 23:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

New Date in Sydney just added
Just got an email confirming that Britney has another show in Sydney on November 17. Ticketek's website confirms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.225.49 (talk) 12:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Added. Percxyz (Call me Percy,  it's easier) 13:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

New Black Outfit
Anyone have any idea what song this is for? http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrity_gallery/image_full/186159/ ---Shadow (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Freakshow 99.192.27.30 (talk) 04:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Where'd the good picture go?
The other main picture for the page was so much better. What is this shit? Who the fuck would change that awesome picture for that piece of shit on there now, which btw is too wide & expands the infobox. Gross. Put the good picture back please. 99.192.27.30 (talk) 04:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Photographers boycutting the concerts?
Britney Spears' management have apparently drawn up a contract for any photographers to sign, which would include some very strict demands (copyrights on selected images must be handed over to Britney Spears, no photos may be offered for resale, no "embarrassing photos" must be publicized etc). As I understand it, press photographers in Denmark and Sweden have all rejected to sign the contract.

Would that be worth adding to the article? There's an english blurb about it here: http://www.thelocal.se/20580/20090710/ KDLarsen (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * At this point in time I would say no. The article only mentions about this in Sweden, and that seems fishy since none of the US, Canada, England, Ireland, or France concerts caused a stir about this apparent contract.

Spears hit a milestone in her carrer at Parken in Copenhagen, Denmark????
The Sumarry of the whole page says this:
 * "On July 11, 2009 Britney Spears hit a milestone in both her career and The Circus Starring: Britney Spears by attracting almost 40,000 fans at a concert at Parken in Copenhagen, Denmark, thus being one of her largest concerts ever.

Wich maybe is true if we talk about the tour, but is not true if we talk about her career, because she performed in front of 50,000 in Mexico during her DWAD tour, here is the reference , so i'm goig to change this given the facts... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortunato luigi (talk • contribs) 02:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

legs 5 and 6...
Ill remove that information, cuz it lack of sources....Fortunato luigi (talk) 06:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Fortunato luigi

Costume Alterations
Is this section really necessary? It's huge and I doubt anyone is actually going to read it. The tour is barely halfway through and it's that huge, by the time the tour is over this section is gonna be half the page. I think it should be removed... Evolution7931 (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

And I also think this section is UNNECESSARY and CONFUSING and TOO LONG! PlatinumFire (talk) 10:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to say that there's a mistake in this article, on July 9 Britney was in Antwerp, Belgium and NOT in Copenhagen (about the dress during Ooh Ooh Baby!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamwa (talk • contribs) 22:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Some people like it, including me. However, I do agree that it is too long, so I hid it in those small boxes that way people who don't want to see it don't have to. ---Shadow (talk) 03:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

CIARA SONGZ
Why there are no links to Ciara songs "Work" and "Go Girl" when the pages exist????? PlatinumFire (talk) 10:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Supporting album
It is supporting Blackout aswell! Most of the song performed in the tour are from blackout. PlatinumFire (talk) 22:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you not see that this is the first thing on this discussion page? Go there please. ---Shadow (talk) 06:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

TOUCH OF MY HAND should stay
Who removed touch of my hand from the setlist? It should just be Touch of My Hand (removed from the setlist on July 11. And the additional notes are giving detailed information about dates removed/included. PlatinumFire (talk) 12:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You do realize that you can add it back? I already did, but we don't know if it was really removed from the list, or if Britney just didn't perform it in certain cities. When she returns to North America later this month it could very well be back in the set list.

At the time i posted this comment i wasn't an autoconfirmed user! PlatinumFire (talk) 17:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Chicago???
I kno she went to chicago because i saw it was included in the list on Britney's website, and theres footage of it too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZSIcosZAg Why isnt it there Can someone add it on pls?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.189.78 (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Chicago has always been on the tour date list. ---Shadow (talk) 20:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Supporting Acts SetList?
Pussycat Dolls and Ciara, both have setlists, why are there not setlists for some of the other artists, like Cascada? Where the concert has already happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iannn.mc (talk • contribs) 17:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe because no one knows their list, or the people who do have not added it! Shocking isn't it? ---Shadow (talk) 20:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Band Jam Segue
During the band jam, right before Do Somethin' starts, you can hear the intro to "I Love Rock 'n' Roll". I should be noted that there are elements of it. --Sdoo493 (talk) • (contribs) 10:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that is your opinion, because it doesn't sound like it to me. They play a warped Circus-like song. ---Shadow (talk) 03:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The Tour was nominated for Billboard/Eventful Fans' Choice competition for "Best Concert of the Year"
According to Spears official website: *Source Fans can vote until November 4, 2009!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adelbutt123 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Mannequin
I've changed the last sentence to "The song has not been performed since the European Leg", since we're still not certain if the song was been pernamently removed from the tour set list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obliteration69 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

New Melbourne Date
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25986811-2902,00.html <-- Nov. 27th just added as the final tour date at Melbourne —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.30.101 (talk) 15:11, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm Scared
I added it in since it was originally in the setlist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obliteration69 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional Notes
I reorganized the Additional Notes section so its under categories of; added things, bad things and cancellations. Please leave! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obliteration69 (talk • contribs) 05:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Piece of Me contains elements of Circus
I was just listening to the Circus acapella and i noticed that the breakdown is the exact same beginning of Piece of Me in the tour. This is the circus acapella http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdJUs6Q8fUw and you can hear it from 2:10-2:26 and in one of her latest performances http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJ-TelO7cc is clear during 1:11-1:19. i just wanted to let you know so it doesn't get edited. User:Xwomanizerx —Preceding undated comment added 22:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Actually, I don't think it needs to be on the set list since it is just a tiny part of the remix. It should go in notes. ---Shadow (talk) 11:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)