Talk:The Circus Starring Britney Spears/Archive 2

5th most successful tour of the year 2009
With a gross of 131,8 million The Circus Starring Britney Spears is the 5th most successful tour!

http://www.pollstarpro.com/SpecialFeatures2009/2009YearEndTop50WorldwideConcertTours.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.119.163.21 (talk) 13:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Tour to Support Blackout
The tour is also to support her previous album Blackout as stated by britney on Britney for the recrod as there was no tour for blackout —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.20.156 (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. The article should be adjusted to include both Circus and Blackout under the "Promote" section. 66.153.174.40 (talk)PanasonicPenguin

It really needs to say that she is also supporting Blackout with this tour because thats a very big part of it!!

Yeah, there are six songs from Blackout, plus two more are used as interludes. So that makes eight songs from Blackout and two from Circus, pretty clear it supports Blackout too right?
 * Wrong. It's not the "amount" of songs from a particular album you perform that's the deciding factor on what album your tour is supporting, in most cases (and in this case). Britney is supporting her Circus album with her "The Circus Starring Britney Spears" tour. It doesn't matter whether she performs more Blackout songs than Circus songs, the tour is in support for her current album Circus, not her past album Blackout. Therefore the article needs to make it clear that this tour is in support for her current album. If this were "The Blackout/Circus Tour", it'd be a different story, but it's not. Percxyz (talk) 20:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But Britney herself said Blackout would be a big part of the tour and the tour was meant to be a lot of new stuff. ---Shadow (talk) 06:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but just because Blackout is a big part of the tour doesn't mean the tour is supporting Blackout. The same thing goes for all her other past albums. If she did 7/8 songs from In The Zone, would the tour be in support of Circus and In The Zone - no. The tour would be in support of Circus, with 7/8 songs from In The Zone. The same rule applies for Blackout. When an artist puts out a new album, if they decide to go on tour, they're touring in support of their new album, no matter how many songs from previous albums are featured. If it's not "officially" supporting Blackout, it shouldn't be stated that it's supporting Blackout. Percxyz (talk) 10:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

britney spears herself said that the tour was to support blackout as well as circus, just because its called the circus tour means nothing, her previous tour was called the onyx hotel tour does britney spears have an album called the onyx hotel... no its just a name and because she has not had a tour to support blackut and considering that there are a lot of blackout songs the circus starring britney spears is a tour to support circus as well as blackout, another similar example is Madonna's drowned world tour which was to support both her albums ray of light and music check out the page if you have the time so i think it should say blackout and circus and its not fair for people to change things on this site soley on what your personal oppinion is this site is for everybody and if there is a problem then people should work things out instead of just changing things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonispears (talk • contribs) 12:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can supply a WP:RS with Britney's quote on this it would help. But really, the whole "tour supports an album" notion is almost out of date at this point.  With album sales plummeting and tour prices and scopes increasing, many artists make more money from the tour than they do from the album.  This is especially true of veteran acts like the Rolling Stones, McCartney, Springsteen, etc., but is also true of younger acts as well.  Britney's tour should probably be viewed as a separate artistic effort and business venture, apart from any of her album releases.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Tonispears, I don't know where Britney herself said the tour is in support of Both albums, but like Wasted Time R said, if you can find a reliable source stating she said this, then Blackout can be added (and should be added.) But until it's "officially" known that the tour supports Blackout, I still stand strongly by what I've already said. As far as the "personal opinion" thing is concerned, I believe it's more of a personal opinion to add Blackout to the list just because there's more songs performed from Blackout than Circus, based on the fact that it has not been officially stated that the tour supports Blackout. If there were more songs from In The Zone or Britney performed, would the tour support Circus and In The Zone/Britney? No. Same thing applies to Blackout. 'Working it out' instead of changing it won't help either, unfortunately. Since the time this article has been created, there's been a constant edit war regarding what album(s) this tour supports/doesn't support, and it was becoming pretty detrimental to the article and needed to be stopped once and for all. As far as the Madonna Drowned World Tour is concerned, that's a separate issue altogether and doesn't apply to this. Percxyz (talk) 19:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Madonna went on her DrownedWorld Tour after Music was released but the Infobox for that tour says Supporting albums: Ray Of Light/Music. That could apply to this current Circus tour. However, it's true Drowned World is a track taken from Madonna's Ray Of Light album and the show opener. Israell (talk) 08:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes but when AEG Live was talking about the tour they kinda mentioned she's gonna use this tour for promoting her LATEST TWO ALBUMS and that include Blackout I suppose. PlatinumFire (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

What Percxyz says about 7/8 In the Zone makes NO F***ING SENSE! It would support Blackout! The Dream Within a Dream Tour supported Britney! Did they call it The Britney Tour or change the album to Dream Within a Dream? NO! Blackout IS supported, confirmed by BRITNEY FRICKING SPEARS!!!! --Ahoskinson 95 (talk) 04:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Not reaching Asia
In response to the article, Britney's Circus Tour won't be reaching Asia, instead the tour will be ending in Australia.
 * It's not confirmed that the Australian leg is the final, it can get extended to Asia by the end of the year. -- Platinum  Fire  21:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The article just says expected. For all we know it could only reach Dubai. We have to wait and see. That date could be in October or December for all we know. ---Shadow (talk) 03:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this is only a rumor and should not be included in the article. There are many 'sources' saying that Britney is going to perform on different countries, like http://puroshow.com/?se=57&id=17317 saying that sh'es going to perform in Argentina by the end of the 2010. Thanks--Jlrm1 (talk) 06:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Circus' Reprise: The Bow
Leave this please! It says on her setlist that 'Circus' Reprise: The Bow' is apart of the setlist, so leave it! A remix version of Womanizer is played whilst Spears' and her dancers say thank-you and goodnight. It's relevant and important still, so it must remain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obliteration69 (talk • contribs)
 * Sign your comments! And FYI, It's called Circus Reprise because Circus plays while they say Thank You, not Womanizer. Womanizer is what they perform right before. ---Shadow (talk) 04:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

"Poem" intro to You Oughta Know
Because I KNOW a bunch of people are not going to believe my edit, I wanted to include it here. The "poem" that she read as an intro to "You Oughta Know" is the first verse of the song "Schism" by Tool. Lyrics:

"I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away Mildewed﻿ and smoldering, fundamental differing, Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so We cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication." DFS (talk) 09:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

...and it was removed. Any reason why?? DFS (talk) 09:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to have it, just a note saying it was included. ---Shadow (talk) 16:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Britney in Orlando
Britney's official Myspace recently repported that she's going to perform at club firestone in Orlando Florida (October 22). Tickets are (not yet) available in ticketmaster: http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/22004330BD4E2E18?brand=tm&camefrom=CFC_BUYAT_ilikeinc Do you think this is part of the tour, or about promoting the new single "3" ? Should be included here or in any of the other britney pages? Thanks --Jlrm1 (talk) 06:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A nightclub performance is different from a concert tour. Even if it was true, can't be put on this article. ---Shadow (talk) 16:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Setlist
I think it should be 2 or 3 different setlists one for the North American Leg and the other for the european Leg. It gets messy puting Mannequin or You Oughta Know in the same setlist. Thanks--Jlrm1 (talk) 06:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The article would look redundant with three setlists. The setlist does not look messy with them in. Plus, she didn't perform those songs one very stop of those legs, so you can't put a second North American setlist when it is only different from the first leg for half the shows. ---Shadow (talk) 16:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Costume Changes
I believe that the piece on her european costume changes is incorrect. I believe she changes back to her original head dress during circus on the 13th of june not the 14th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.242.82 (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Article: Britney Spears fails to impress Australian fans
"IT was not the triumphant return Britney Spears had hoped for.

Disgruntled fans stormed out of last night’s Australian debut of The Circus concert in Perth, upset by the star’s miming and “appalling” performance on stage.

They began walking out after just three songs, some having paid $200 to see Spears perform.

“It was just really bad,’’ Kathy Wright,32, said.

“She has not spoken, there is no interaction.”

Friend Josh Blee said: “We are really big Britney fans but it was cr-p.”

“I thought after the music awards she would make up for it with a wicked concert, but she has let us down," he said.

Maria Carmody also left with a group of friends, saying the performance was appalling.

They were disappointed that the giant screens did not show any vision of Spears performing.

“She is a little dot on the stage,’’ Ms Carmody said.

Ms Carmody was also disgusted by the unruly behaviour of fans in the general admission area, which lacked adequate security.

She said she was elbowed and pushed by overzealous fans.

Spears performed to over 17,000 fans at last night's concert at Perth Burswood Dome.

The screens only displayed circus images and Spears had her back to the audience for most of the show.

Several fans questioned whether the lack of vision on the giant screens was to cover up her lip synching."

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383,26316772-7484,00.html

Clofts (talk) 04:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I attempted to add material about her lip-synching; it was covered in major newspapers.
 * The edits were moved down the article by an editor with a few edits in Wikipedia, all to Britney Spears articles. But since they aren't an established editor, I'll focus on the edit that removed the material by established editor User:ShadowRanger "This issue didn't become a major thing until the shows in Perth, which is on the last leg of the show. It should go in the background or reception areas. to top it off, it's horribly written." My response (which I realized was a little too close to edit warring, and immediately reverted (mea culpa!)) was "It reflects the community of reviewers becoming alerted to a problem. In 10 years, this may be the only thing that's remembered about the show. How ref is written is not relevant."
 * This isn't a minor issue, but an major one. Perhaps the most important in the whole article. In what other concerts has a performer been accused of fraud and legal action? Hence, it belongs in the opening para, not 700 lines later, were many readers will not see it. Piano non troppo (talk) 06:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Me Againt The Music Remix
I just realized that the remix is a bollywood remix of the Rishi Rich's Desi Kulcha Remix. How should this be labeled in the setlist so that it doesn't look weird when reading it? --Shadow (talk) 09:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not that remix. It is similar.Xwomanizerx ((talk)) 16:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Opening acts setlist
I was just editing the opening act section and noticed that the setlist and much of the facts are not verifiable. Should we leave them of just delete them and only source the opening acts? Xwomanizerx (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Setlists are from various videos (which are not the best source, but there is no rule saying that can't be used), and the facts about the Pussycat Dolls and Jordin Sparks are easy to find sources for. So I say leave them and try to find more reliable sources. --Shadow (talk) 22:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If you really want the setlist to stay, why don't you help me find them? that would be nice. Xwomanizerx (talk) 19:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Costumes
I'm having the same trouble with the costume alterations. There are only sources from some shows such as the three dates at MSG. Should i delete the non-important ones (for example, the change of boxer briefs of the dancers) and keep the important ones? Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:51, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That would barely narrow it down though. Most of them are about Britney's costumes, which are the important ones. --Shadow (talk) 22:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean exactly the dancers' wardrobe. But for example, there are no sources that say that she wore a belt during Radar in Anaheim. However, all the new outfits from the Madison Square Garden dates are reported. Xwomanizerx (talk) 19:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, most people went off video from Youtube. --Shadow (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, but we can't use Youtube as a source. I feel like this Wikipedia page has been used incorrectly like a fansite or a forum, that's where this information belongs. Plus, i don't see sections like this in any other tour pages. There is no information whether Madonna wore sunglasses or if GaGa changed her wig in their pages. Xwomanizerx (talk) 20:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Title
I'm sure this has been discussed, but where does the colon com from. All the official images lack it. --Shadow (talk) 22:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's true. I never noticed that. Xwomanizerx (talk) 19:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm Scared
I really don't think it should be in the setlist. It was only performed once, unlike Mannequin and You Oughta Know. --Shadow (talk) 22:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The performance was mentioned by several media outlets. People reported about the miscue, USA Today took it as an interlude... It should be kept.Xwomanizerx (talk) 19:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * But it wasn't even in the original set list, and it was dropped after one show. Everytime was not in the set list either, but she performed in at every show at least. --Shadow (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The original setlist was released to trick people into believing there were no ballads. However, on a radio interview just hours before the show, Larry announced there would be two ballads, so that's pretty much confirmation from her team. And in the Youtube videos you can clearly see she performs until the first chorus and stops singing for some reason, although the backup singers are still on the stage. Xwomanizerx (talk) 20:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

My edit
Comments section is too little, so here:

Only the remix of Piece of Me featured part of Circus, but it did not on the first leg, so it should not be in the set list. Touch of My Hand not being performed at some shows needs to be noted one way or another. Fire concerns altered parts of the shows, no reason to remove them. That picture of Everytime sucks, sorry. --Shadow (talk) 06:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The remix of Piece of Me was added at the beginning of the European leg, so it was performed on 60 of the 97 shows. Like Circus played in the background after the encore (in the first leg it was Womanizer) it should be noted. None of the stage problems are encyclopedic and need to be removed from the page. Plus they are not noted by any third party notability. If you could provide one that's not britneyspearsblackout.com, i will leave them. And the Everytime picture was actually supposed to illustrate the Australian leg controversy with one of the Perth concert pictures. So i'm reverting it. Xwomanizerx (talk) 13:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was Page Moved  Ron h jones (Talk) 02:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The Circus Starring: Britney Spears → The Circus Starring Britney Spears is the actual name of the tour and official sources and promoters name it without the colon. The colon also doesn't appear in official images. Xwomanizerx (talk) 13:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

box-office score data
Can anybody add the box office score data for the rest of the Australian shows? And ANY European dates? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.179.249 (talk) 03:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Run The Show
So apparently this is a constant battle. I've listened to the song, and I don't hear any similarities. Anyone care to help me recognize the parts used on this tour? --Shadow (talk) 18:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The same person who first the intro pictures and the intro on a fan forum (probably Larry Rudolph or someone from her team) announced there would be a video interlude of "Break the Ice" with a sample of "Run the Show". shortly after, the original interlude leaked with the badmediakarma.com. so it's pretty much confirmation. --Xwomanizerx (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Some links

 * http://www.meyersound.com/applications/story.php?type=14&id=1609 This article talks about using Meyer Sound Laboratories loudspeakers, and names Blake Suib as the main sound mixing person. Suib was mixing monitors for Madonna in 2001 and did "In The Zone" with Spears.
 * Video interview with Blake Suib about the Circus tour.
 * Magazine article with Spears's engineer describing how she does not like in-ear monitors. Binksternet (talk) 20:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I'm saving the names all the magazines for other tours.Xwomanizerx (talk) 21:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Another one: Britney Spears Tours U.S., Canada And Europe With Solotech & Meyer Sound, ProSoundWeb, June 3, 2009. Binksternet (talk) 01:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Deadlinks
There are two deadlinks present in the article:


 * http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/second-britney-spears-perth-concert-announced/story-0-1225745792351?from=public_rss
 * http://www.ampradio.com/2009/09/britneys-circus-tour-round-2/

–MuZemike 20:42, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Supporting Albums
I invite you all to visit those four articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Virgin_Tour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who%27s_That_Girl_World_Tour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond_Ambition_World_Tour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drowned_World_Tour

4 of Madonna's tour had 2 supporting albums: The Virgin Tour: Madonna/Like A Virgin Who's That Girl: True Blue/Who's That Girl Blond Ambition: Like A Prayer/I'm Breathless Drowned World: Music/Ray Of Light

The case is clearly the same with The Circus Tour. Blackout should be added to the "Supporting album" section. Israell (talk) 11:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)