Talk:The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson/Archive 1

They edited it!
I watched this a few weeks ago and they had edited out all references to the WTC. They didn't have Homer go to one tower, then the other, for instance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.16.225.228 (talk • contribs)
 * What affiliate was this? --Greasysteve13 08:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know if this episode will be in its original form on the DVD? I wanna know 'cause it would bug me it's altered. Zidane4028 19:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd love to know how this was done, seeing as the note Homer got about his car mentioned the WTC, and going to the WTC to get the car back is what drives the plot. How could they remove all WTC references without making the plot nonsensical?  Unless this claim can be verified, I think the passage regarding this in the article should be removed, as it is unverified and highly unlikely.--Tiberius47 09:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Usually, when this episode is edited, references to stereotypes, violence, and New York are entirely removed. I've seen this episode on Channel 4 (UK channel) and they removed the following lines:

Grampa:             Once we filled the head with garbage Marge:              If you only focus on the Pimps and the C.H.U.D.S (old lade in lift):  Well, I certainly hope someone stabs him in the eye

And of course, the infamous "They stick all the jerks in Tower 1".

It's sad, really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keshidragon (talk • contribs) 07:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
I don't know what's the generally accepted format for articles on TV show episodes, but I'm questioning whether it's encyclopedic to have those gigantic lists of quotes for each episode. It just strikes me more as something from a fansite than it does an encyclopedia article. And isn't this exactly what Wikiquote is for anyway? --Foot Dragoon 01:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Could someone delete this
"In the final scene the Simpsons are seen driving across the Brooklyn Bridge. Which is a bridge that connects Long Island to Manhattan Island. Indicating that Springfield would be located on Long Island, which does not seem likely."

well, it seems that the ending confused someone, they were on their way out of new york to long island to the US mainland to travel back to springfield....or am i wrong here?
 * They could very well be talking the bridge to Brooklyn, (which it does connect to from Manhattan, Brooklyn being part of the physical Long Island) with the intention of then taking the Verrazano Bridge then the Gothels bridge, which is a logical way to get to the U.S. mainland, especially if you are heading generally southwards.  Citi Cat   ♫ 23:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Song
What is the name of the song during the flashback?
 * The Entertainer by Scott Joplin. Most commonly known from the movie The Sting  Citi Cat   ♫ 23:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Crab Juice Image
Is it just me or does this bad piece of fan made art should just be removed. It does not add anything to the article and it is of poor quality.
 * Agreed. It was only added because somebody tried to create a Crab juice page, which was deleted. -- Scorpion0422 16:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Crab Juice - Reply
I'm sorry, it was not "only added because somebody tried to create a Crab juice page, which was deleted". The image meets all WP:Images criteria, including:
 * "relevant to article," "relative to the article's topic"
 * not "overwhelming the surrounding article text"
 * "origin must be properly referenced"
 * "identity of the image's content"
 * doesn't violate copyright
 * more.

Regarding quality, it is a replica of the screen shot. (Placing the screen shot here would violate copyright law.) Please pop the episode into your DVD and pause when Homer is getting ready to drink the can. You'll see that the image is virtually identical to the animation. I suggest doing research before making comments and edits like this. Or, make your own rendering, if you can do better - that would be welcomed too.

Regarding the article, there is a tenet that every page should have at least one illustration. See for example and How to Tell a Story: The Secrets of Writing Captivating Tales by Peter Rubie (ISBN 0898798094). Thank you! Gekritzl 11:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and please sign your comments if you wish to be taken seriously. The first comment in this section, as unsigned, should be "stricken from the record" (if this were a court room) as it could be a sock puppet. Gekritzl 11:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So the long and short of it is that User:Scorpion0422 cited WP policy that didn't exist or did not apply, and couldn't make a cogent case for deletion of the image, yet insisted on its deletion. For instance, citing WP:NONFREE (which is NOT applicable), and mis-quoting (or making up information) from WP:SIMPSONS. Scorpion0422 even edited the copyright information on the image itself (which Scorpion0422 did NOT upload), providing false information about it. This does not seem in keeping with prudent WP editor behavior and policies. Sorry, Scorpion, just calling them like I see them. --Gekritzl 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I was not providing false information. A fan drawn image of a copyrighted character does not make it free... If anything it makes it a copyright violation. I was simply changing the claim to fair use. I made it screenshot because I couldn't think of what else to put it under. The reason it was deleted was because it was an orphaned fair use image. -- Scorpion0422 20:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You said for example the WP:SIMPSONS rule is to not use fan graphics on episode pages and limit it only to screenshots. This is not anywhere in that policy that I can find. Regarding the drawing - you are a proponent of screenshots, but opposed to a drawing due to copyright concerns? Of course, the whole fair use thing and interpretation of 17 U.S.C. Section 107 is still under debate. But a drawing, as a derivative work, is farther from copyright violation than is a photo or screen shot of that original work (although a pure drawing like that image surely is not eligible for registration in the Copyright Office). It is nevertheless not as infringing as a screen shot (which is the reason that image was made). If screen shots are truly allowable here, I'm all for placing the full screenshot of Homer drinking the crab juice in the article. Any objections? Thanks... --Gekritzl 20:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Look, you claimed that the image you uploaded had a free license - meaning that Wikipedia could use it wherever it wanted without worry of copyrgith violation. I simply corrected it because it was based on a copyrighted image. The reason it was deleted was because it was a non-free image that was not placed on a mainspace page, and such images are deleted. I had nothing to do with that.
 * As for a screenshot, go ahead. But, why not try improving the entire article instead? Try to get the entire article to GA status instead of focusing on a minor detail? -- Scorpion0422 23:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It is good that warriors like you and me meet in the struggle for life, and for death. Getting the article to GA status would be cool. ...by the way, shouldn't you be studying, Scorpion?  :)   (Okay, I should be studying too.)  Take care, I'm sure we'll meet again. It has been educational and entertaining! --Gekritzl 23:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You do realize that it's summer, right? -- Scorpion0422 23:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I did forget. You have the summer off? I'm going to study some German now. (And watch the Scrubs re-run at 9:30. And play some guitar.) --Gekritzl 00:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, the original quote from this episode of The Simpsons, was: Homer, desperately hungry, sees the guy at the stall. After eating Klavkalash (spelling?) he was thirsty, and the drinks he had were " Mountain Dew or Crab Juice" and Homer looks disgusted. The joke was that he was disgusted by Mountain Dew, so he takes the Crab Juice. This is probably where the confusion came from. Keshidragon (talk) 07:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Swearing?
Where does Homer mutter the MF word? Does he even do it? I've seen the episode a million times and haven't heard it.. then again I've never really listened ;P 202.126.97.233 08:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * On the DVD commentary Dan Castellaneta (who voices Homer) say that Homer indeed says a swear word when he's trying to bite off the parking boot, and you can hear it if you listen closely.  Citi Cat   ♫ 02:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Duffman
Is this Duffman's first appearance? PolarisSLBM 22:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Boots
I'm wondering if there's a good place in the article to put in the fact that New York City does not use "parking boots" like in the episode. (I sound like Database at a question and answer period).  Citi Cat   ♫ 23:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No. That counts as a goof, and goofs are NN. -- Scorpion0422 00:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Post 9/11
german tv Pro 7 re-showed this episode just some days after the attacks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.113.21.98 (talk) 22:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source? -- Scorpion0422 22:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

"Actor" in Musical
The "actor" attending Betty Ford in the musical is definitely supposed to be Charlie Sheen, not Robert Downey, Jr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.140.109 (talk) 05:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:The Simpsons (1997).jpg
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When's this one going to get the overhaul?
Between this one and Principal and the Pauper, I can't wait. Ribbet32 (talk) 15:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Eventually, but I think Principal and the Pauper will be done first. Gran2 15:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Train ride
Dont they take a train ride and bart licks a pole for money and homer has to urinate and sees a picture of flushing meadows park? And he has a vision of the park with toilets all around a field of grass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.174.109 (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

What's your point? Tithonfury (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:The Simpsons (1997).jpg
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Some more sources to use in the article

 * asked me to provide some more sources for use in this article, and so I will list them here on the talk page, below. Do with them what you will.  Cheers, Cirt 02:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC).


 * Sources


 * Page 49"Likewise, Marge's crime-stopping vigilantism in 'The Springfield Connection' and her dangerous escape from the Movementarian commune in 'The Joy of Sect' demonstrate that she is genuinely brave, but not foolhardy. She will snap across alligator jaws a la James Bond, but she won't jump from Jimmy's hansom [sic] cab to the family car as they both speed through Central Park in 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson.'"
 * Page 52"Simple household tasks like washing clothes, creating meatloaf men when 'Mr. Lisa Goes to Washngton,' and knitting seatbelts for homemade cars in 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson' are not undesirable chores to her. Rather, they bring her happiness because they contribute to the good of the family she cherishes so dearly."
 * "Thank goodness for The Simpsons - still the most innovative, exciting and funny animated series on TV. This season's highlights include Homer digging in his heels over a parking ticket in The City Of New York Vs Homer Simpson, while in Bart The Carny, Homer and Bart join the circus. The Joy Of Sect is hilarious with only Marge keeping her head. There's more animated mirth than ever and the extras feature an audio commentary, deleted scenes, movie trailer and a featurette."
 * "The first outing is a classic, The City of New York vs Homer Simpson, as the rotund 40-year-old is forced to visit the Big Apple and ends the episode getting covered in guns, junkie needles and assorted garbage as he leaves Manhattan...The Last Temptation of Krust is a winner for its title alone as Krusty the clown becomes an satiric 'alternative' comedian but then sells out by advertising the Canyonero SUV road hazard. DVD EXTRAS: Tons here, including a sneak preview of The Simpsons' big screen outing; deleted scenes: The City of New York vs Homer Simpson and much, much more."
 * "The gift: 'The Simpsons -- The Complete Ninth Season' DVD set (available Tuesday) -- Why they'll love it: Superfans debate incessantly about when the venerable cartoon series began its decline, but No. 9 generally is hailed as the last of the classic seasons. Here's why: 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson' (a trip to the Big Apple, with painfully hilarious results), 'The Cartridge Family' (Homer exercises his Second Amendment rights), 'The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons' (Apu gets married). And so on."
 * "Sunday night, in a mere 22 minutes, 'The Simpsons' manages to poke fun at both New York and people who are afraid of New York, as well as related topics like shoe-shopping, porno movies, bizarre ethnic food and the scarcity of public restrooms. The episode, 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson,' begins back home in Springfield, where bar-owner Moe decides his regular patrons, including Homer, must start choosing a designated driver. This leads (don't ask) to pal Barney absconding with Homer's car and failing to return it for two months. When the car turns up in New York, the Simpson clan boards a bus en masse to retrieve the vehicle, despite Homer's reluctance - previously, as a naive visitor, he had a bad experience that, we learn in flashback, involved robbery, muggings and Woody Allen. But this visit goes well, for everyone but Homer. In my favorite bit, Marge takes the kids to a Broadway musical, 'Checkin' In,' set at the Betty Ford Clinic, and we're treated to an elaborate production number that's as good as a lot of things I've actually seen on Broadway."
 * "Thank goodness for The Simpsons - still the most innovative, exciting and funny animated series on TV. This season's highlights include Homer digging in his heels over a parking ticket in The City Of New York Vs Homer Simpson, while in Bart The Carny, Homer and Bart join the circus. The Joy Of Sect is hilarious with only Marge keeping her head. There's more animated mirth than ever and the extras feature an audio commentary, deleted scenes, movie trailer and a featurette."
 * "The first outing is a classic, The City of New York vs Homer Simpson, as the rotund 40-year-old is forced to visit the Big Apple and ends the episode getting covered in guns, junkie needles and assorted garbage as he leaves Manhattan...The Last Temptation of Krust is a winner for its title alone as Krusty the clown becomes an satiric 'alternative' comedian but then sells out by advertising the Canyonero SUV road hazard. DVD EXTRAS: Tons here, including a sneak preview of The Simpsons' big screen outing; deleted scenes: The City of New York vs Homer Simpson and much, much more."
 * "The gift: 'The Simpsons -- The Complete Ninth Season' DVD set (available Tuesday) -- Why they'll love it: Superfans debate incessantly about when the venerable cartoon series began its decline, but No. 9 generally is hailed as the last of the classic seasons. Here's why: 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson' (a trip to the Big Apple, with painfully hilarious results), 'The Cartridge Family' (Homer exercises his Second Amendment rights), 'The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons' (Apu gets married). And so on."
 * "Sunday night, in a mere 22 minutes, 'The Simpsons' manages to poke fun at both New York and people who are afraid of New York, as well as related topics like shoe-shopping, porno movies, bizarre ethnic food and the scarcity of public restrooms. The episode, 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson,' begins back home in Springfield, where bar-owner Moe decides his regular patrons, including Homer, must start choosing a designated driver. This leads (don't ask) to pal Barney absconding with Homer's car and failing to return it for two months. When the car turns up in New York, the Simpson clan boards a bus en masse to retrieve the vehicle, despite Homer's reluctance - previously, as a naive visitor, he had a bad experience that, we learn in flashback, involved robbery, muggings and Woody Allen. But this visit goes well, for everyone but Homer. In my favorite bit, Marge takes the kids to a Broadway musical, 'Checkin' In,' set at the Betty Ford Clinic, and we're treated to an elaborate production number that's as good as a lot of things I've actually seen on Broadway."
 * "The gift: 'The Simpsons -- The Complete Ninth Season' DVD set (available Tuesday) -- Why they'll love it: Superfans debate incessantly about when the venerable cartoon series began its decline, but No. 9 generally is hailed as the last of the classic seasons. Here's why: 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson' (a trip to the Big Apple, with painfully hilarious results), 'The Cartridge Family' (Homer exercises his Second Amendment rights), 'The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons' (Apu gets married). And so on."
 * "Sunday night, in a mere 22 minutes, 'The Simpsons' manages to poke fun at both New York and people who are afraid of New York, as well as related topics like shoe-shopping, porno movies, bizarre ethnic food and the scarcity of public restrooms. The episode, 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson,' begins back home in Springfield, where bar-owner Moe decides his regular patrons, including Homer, must start choosing a designated driver. This leads (don't ask) to pal Barney absconding with Homer's car and failing to return it for two months. When the car turns up in New York, the Simpson clan boards a bus en masse to retrieve the vehicle, despite Homer's reluctance - previously, as a naive visitor, he had a bad experience that, we learn in flashback, involved robbery, muggings and Woody Allen. But this visit goes well, for everyone but Homer. In my favorite bit, Marge takes the kids to a Broadway musical, 'Checkin' In,' set at the Betty Ford Clinic, and we're treated to an elaborate production number that's as good as a lot of things I've actually seen on Broadway."
 * "Sunday night, in a mere 22 minutes, 'The Simpsons' manages to poke fun at both New York and people who are afraid of New York, as well as related topics like shoe-shopping, porno movies, bizarre ethnic food and the scarcity of public restrooms. The episode, 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson,' begins back home in Springfield, where bar-owner Moe decides his regular patrons, including Homer, must start choosing a designated driver. This leads (don't ask) to pal Barney absconding with Homer's car and failing to return it for two months. When the car turns up in New York, the Simpson clan boards a bus en masse to retrieve the vehicle, despite Homer's reluctance - previously, as a naive visitor, he had a bad experience that, we learn in flashback, involved robbery, muggings and Woody Allen. But this visit goes well, for everyone but Homer. In my favorite bit, Marge takes the kids to a Broadway musical, 'Checkin' In,' set at the Betty Ford Clinic, and we're treated to an elaborate production number that's as good as a lot of things I've actually seen on Broadway."
 * "Sunday night, in a mere 22 minutes, 'The Simpsons' manages to poke fun at both New York and people who are afraid of New York, as well as related topics like shoe-shopping, porno movies, bizarre ethnic food and the scarcity of public restrooms. The episode, 'The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson,' begins back home in Springfield, where bar-owner Moe decides his regular patrons, including Homer, must start choosing a designated driver. This leads (don't ask) to pal Barney absconding with Homer's car and failing to return it for two months. When the car turns up in New York, the Simpson clan boards a bus en masse to retrieve the vehicle, despite Homer's reluctance - previously, as a naive visitor, he had a bad experience that, we learn in flashback, involved robbery, muggings and Woody Allen. But this visit goes well, for everyone but Homer. In my favorite bit, Marge takes the kids to a Broadway musical, 'Checkin' In,' set at the Betty Ford Clinic, and we're treated to an elaborate production number that's as good as a lot of things I've actually seen on Broadway."

That's all I got for now, use it well. Cheers, Cirt 03:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC).


 * Check out the Abstract for the (McNee) article. Looks quite interesting. I have added it to a Further reading section for now, as I don't have access to the article's full-text at the moment.  Cirt 03:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC).

GA review
Woohoo! Fantastic clean-up. Here are my tips for improvement:
 * The lead's plot synopsis could be a little long, and there is no mention of the episode's vanishing from syndication after 9/11 or its Emmy win.
 * The images: I feel it'd be a lot better to show the Twin Towers in the infobox. I also feel it could do with images of the ending shot and the Emmy-winning musical scene. I'm sure you editors can easily make those images with FU rationales.

I can do a little copyediting myself and pass the article after these are done. Alientraveller (talk) 11:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

✅ I also left a note on your talk page. xihix (talk) 22:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent. But I just remembered, this episode had the first appearance of Duffman. Why is he not mentioned in the production section? Alientraveller (talk) 10:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh who cares, the article is GA. I've copyedited it and I am passing it. Alientraveller (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Archived peer review

 * This article has had a Peer Review, which has since been archived. Please see Peer review/The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson/archive1.  Thank you to all who provided feedback.  Cirt (talk) 05:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC).

Flushing meadows park. No mention of this when homer has to urinate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.94.225 (talk) 15:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

reference to Secretariat?
While Homer is driving through Central Park, doesn't the carriage driver refer to his horse as Secretariat, after the race horse? TerraFrost 21:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

redirect?
is there any particular reason that kickin it redirects to this page? Weedthrasher (talk) 13:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Now a FA in Chinese Wikipedia
I have translated this article to Chinese Wikipedia here and promoted to FA status, and I want to thank User:Xihix & User:Cirt for their effort to write this amazing article. --Jarodalien (talk) 15:12, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Redirects leading here
Khlav Kalash redirects here, but this article says nothing about it. Should a sentence be added about it, or should the redirect be removed? Nukeqler (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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(Tall male from prior episode?)
The guy sitting behind Homer on the bus is the tall guy from "22 Short Films About Springfield". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 10:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Those of us who realize that toons don't actually have any DNA are non-plussed by this bizarre claim that toon twins can be proven to exist, without getting them to sit still in adjacent seating! --JerzyA (talk) 04:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Car, sitting unknowing in New York, he just lay low.
For me, "received" -- an active verb -- implies what is grammatically termed the recipient or even, IIRC, the patient, of the action, and there's nothing grammatically wrong with that. Nevertheless, psychologically, receiving reeks too much of taking notice of, accepting, maybe even regretting or protesting the documents, when it isn't even accepting or noticing it. That grammatical convention is a vestigial metaphor whose tiny itch can be avoided, e.g. with any of a number of more explicitly passive voice, even if I haven't nailed the ideal construction or nuance. I'm not arguing for any specific verb or construction, but for more effort at crediting the car with any hint of acting, knowing, or caring. A fine point, yes, but IMO an insignificantly distracting one. --JerzyA (talk) 10:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)