Talk:The Collector/Archive 1

Original research
The "books, TV and music" sections are pure original research; they are pure speculation with no citations backing them up. I would like to remove them. Treybien 3:22 8 August 2007 (UTC)

This book inspired serial killer Leonard Lake to abduct women and keep them as slaves. He along with Charles Ng are a farely well-known killing duo, it might be worth noting on this page. Lake gave his plans the name "Operation Miranda", after the character in the book. There is also more of note to it, look it up if you like.

It seems that it also inspired the captor of Natascha Kampusch
 * There is no evidence that her captor had knowledge of either the book or the film; and there are even indications that he did not like to read at all. Because there are stark similarities between her abduction and The Collector nevertheless, I left a cautious remark in the German article of de:The Collector.--Keimzelle 21:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How do we know Lake was inspired by this book? Is there any reference to this? As for Natascha Kampusch's captor, it must be said that abductions like this were not new when "The Collector" was written. --Amandajm 08:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Anyone object to a split?
I'd like to divide this into two articles. One on the book, one on the film. The book is really more important, and right now the article has a film infobox. Would anyone object to a split here? --JayHenry 21:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I also think the article should be expanded to include research into its link with serial killers. More than one serial killer has used this book for inspiration and/or guidance. Spritzie 17:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I also agree and have added the split tag to the main page. I may get back to this page to help later. But many of you are better at doing this than I am so please feel free to take the bull by the horns. MarnetteD | Talk 01:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Having a book article with a film infobox is really confusing, and the tag has been here very long. I'm not very familiar with the topic, but I think I'll split it for the sake of better organization. :) --PeaceNT (talk) 10:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Grey/Miranda
I've gone through the plot summary and changed all instances of Grey to Miranda. I am aware that the Manual of Style calls for surnames, but this is only when referring to real people. Calling her Miranda seems more appropriate, but please discuss if you disagree. --Richardrj talkemail 13:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, Richard. If it was a page on Romeo and Juliet, we wouldn't constantly refer to the lead characters as Montague and Capulet.  TimothyJacobson (talk) 00:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Fowles' own explanation of the purpose behind 'The Collector'"
I've removed the last two paragraphs from this section as they appeared to be one reader's personal remarks on the book. Kevinfr (talk) 12:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I've added two paragraphs into this section which are pretty much all quotes from Fowles himself in The Aristos about the intentions behind the book. Diisoniachii (talk) 15:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Was Clegg autistic?
Some of Clegg's bizarre behavior--his social isolation, his inability to gauge human emotion or understand proper social norms, his aversion to Mirands's physical overtures--suggest autism. Could this have been one of the earliest works of literature to explore a still largely misunderstood disease? --The_Iconoclast (talk) 11:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure the "background" section is right?
From my personal view, the whole rambling seems exasperatingly arrogant and prig, and incredibly self-contradictory. He says for a while in a downright contemptuous and discriminatory manner about the "division" between people, which I hardly believe anyone living in a democratic society in the late 20th century would utter(incredible nonsense like "gained by those intellectually unsuited to handle it.", "biological superiority" etc), and at the exact same time talks about "achieving truly born equal" and "the dividing line should run through each individual, not between individuals." which seem to be genuine egalitarian causes.

The first paragraph in that section doesn't have any quotes. I'm not sure whether it's accurate.

If what's presented here is indeed what the author intended to reflect, it is an incredible mess. I don't believe even a 10-year-old would write/think so disastrously.

No wonder he is not a celebrated writer at all. This kind of thinking pattern is downright appalling, immature and inconsistent in itself. http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/John-Fowles-and-his-big-ideas-6166

Well anyways, just another example of half-baked author which abound in our society. No surprise.

Anon J (talk) 08:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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