Talk:The Comeback Seattle/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: TrademarkedTWOrantula (talk · contribs) 23:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Alright, last restaurant of 2023, let's get this started! TWOrantula TM (enter the web) 23:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * More of a bar than a restaurant, so less detail re: food. :) But looking forward to addressing any concerns you may have. Thanks for reviewing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Quickfail?

 * I don't spot any massive flaws. Well sourced and referenced.
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see any cleanup banners or citation needed tags.
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The article is stable.
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Regarding copyvios and plagiarism, a plethora amount of text is copied from two sources. These quotes could easily be summarized within a few sentences. Earwig report can be found here.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the first GA review.
 * Yup! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing + other important issues

 * I'm unfamiliar with some of these sources. Could you explain what makes Seattle Gay News and The Stranger reliable?
 * Seattle Gay News is an established weekly newspaper in Seattle, and The Stranger is an established alternative biweekly newspaper in the city. Both have been around for decades. I see both used elsewhere on Wikipedia and neither source is listed here. I hope this helps. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend aligning the two interior images to the right; the text is awkwardly pushed to the right, and there's one line of text sticking out.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Description

 * that catered to the LGBT community
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * R Place should be linked first time in the body
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why mentioning a taco truck outside of the building is relevant to the article. If it is, then who owns it? What brand is it?
 * To me, the purpose of the sentence is to describe the environment and food options for bar patrons. A writer for The Seattle Times said the taco truck was not to be missed, but the owner and name are not known. I think there's a rule in Seattle that all establishments serving alcohol must also sell food; some businesses accomplish this by hosting food trucks, collaborating with nearby kitchens, or allowing patrons to bring in food from other businesses. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "Modular walls [allowed] the space to accommodate different needs on different nights, and [there was] a gaming area with pool tables and dartboards near gender-neutral restrooms." -> The building consisted of modular walls, a agme area to play darts and pool tables, and gender-neutral restrooms.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The part saying "an assortment of" is a little unnecessary to me.
 * I'm willing to remove altogether, if you prefer, but for now I've trimmed and paraphrased since I see this as part of a description of the bar's interior and layout. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

History

 * "Lovelady's presence makes The Comeback, at least in part, R Place's spiritual successor." -> that with Lovelady managing The Comeback, he felt as if it was "R Place's spiritual successor."
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The building was a shell. We took the soul of R Place and are plugging it into this new space. We bought everything from inside R Place to give people that familiarity, and of course we're bringing back the shows and the music and the dynamic performers that put R Place and Seattle on the map, as far as a destination LGBTQIA establishment. -> I'm really not sure if this quote is necessary. If it is, you could probably say something like: "According to Lovelady, The Comeback was meant to match the spirit and mood of R Place by bringing back old attractions."
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Why is took over quoted?
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How large was R Place (in sq ft)?
 * The Description section says The Comeback was approximately 9,000 square feet, so we can make an assumption without specifically adding the square footage of R Place. I think the square footage of R Place belongs on the R Place article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah. I did not see that.  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 01:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Is Andrew Houston an architect?
 * I assume a designer, not an architect. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "I hope the site becomes a destination for the LGBTQ community to gather — those from all slices of life under the umbrella — and celebrate ourselves and our community in many different ways. This project is important to me because it represents the continuation of local Capitol Hill history in spirit as well as a new chapter for what part or parts of Seattle have created their own safe spaces for LGBTQ Seattleites." -> Houston told Seattle Gay News that he was proud of his work, as the bar "represents the continuation of local Capitol Hill history in spirit".
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In December if we're talking about December 2023
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Why is quiet launch quoted? This could be subtly elaborated on.
 * I think more appropriate to change and link to "soft launch". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ...mid February (the slight delay was caused by supply chain issues on doors) -> ...mid-February due to supply chain issues.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What ten weeks specifically in 2022 was the drag competition hosted?
 * I would say this is not an important detail about the bar. The year is good enough. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * a post on social media
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What a blast we have had! You have been with us since the beginning, first at R Place, and then followed us to the Comeback. We survived a pandemic and came out stronger! Now, as we look back at how we helped shape a vibrant community in Seattle, we realize that it is time for us to step aside and let the new generation of DJs, entertainers, and fans continue making Seattle's LGBTQIA+ community the best it can be. A sunset of the Comeback is only the prelude to brighter times to come. We look forward to seeing what is in store for Seattle. Thank you for all your support over the years.
 * One: Who's the social media post from? Two: This quote could be shortened. See my comment below.
 * Proposed rewritten version: "The Comeback closed on April 30, 2023. According to a social media post, the bar closed as a decision to "step aside" and let other companies (restaurants?) influence the LGBTQ+ scene in Seattle.
 * I went with, "According to a social media post, the bar closed as a decision to "step aside" and let others influence the Seattle's LGBT community and scene." --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Last sentence could be moved to fourth paragraph (the one above the quote burger, ending with the word "parties")
 * I think this is fine merged into the paragraph above, since the quote has been removed. Does the current version work for you? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised this bar doesn't have an official website. Is there really none?
 * I just found an Instagram account. If I knew the URL, I could search the Internet Archive. Either way, an official website is not required and can always be added at a later date, if an archived version is found. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Spotchecking

 * I will spotcheck eight sources. (approximately half)
 * #4
 * ✅ the gay bar R Place, which had operated on Capitol Hill.
 * ✅ opened The Comeback in early 2022
 * ✅ The Comeback had a "blowout" liquor sale,
 * #6
 * ✅ The space was approximately 9,000 square feet and had a seating capacity of 150 to 200 people. The building consisted of modular walls, a game area to play darts and pool, and gender-neutral restrooms.
 * ✅ "spiritual successor"
 * ✅ The Comeback was Lovelady's first bar to own.
 * ✅ the business was hiring bar-backs, bartenders, hosts, servers, and other positions
 * #8
 * ✅ opened The Comeback in early 2022 - implied, but nevertheless proves the statement
 * ✅ Silky Nutmeg Ganache headlined "Lashes" in February.
 * #9
 * ✅ Previously, Lovelady was the general manager of the gay bar R Place.
 * #11
 * ✅ The SoDo location, approximately twice as large as R Place,
 * #12
 * ✅ The Comeback's redesign was led by Andrew "Ace" Grant Houston
 * #13
 * ✅ In November 2021, Eater Seattle said The Comeback was planning to open in December.
 * #15
 * ✅ an after party for a bar crawl held in conjunction with Pride Month,

I've taken a first stab at addressing your concerns. I'll let you finish your review and please let me know if any concerns remain. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Alright, passing this article...  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 04:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)