Talk:The Concert for Bangladesh/Archive 1

"Main Performers"
I dont think that Eric Clapton should be in the "Backup Performers" catagory. He was invited especially by George Harrison to perform. Just because he doesnt sing, doenst mean he is not a main act. So I am going to move him to "main performers" Steven Kovax 11:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Spelling
Why does this page use throughout Bangla Desh instead of Bangladesh? Neither Bangladesh or History of Bangladesh mentions the use of that spelling? Rmhermen 21:40, Feb 2, 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, such was how the concert was actually titled. I don't, however, know why it was titled as two words, or what historical significance there is to it, if any.  I would suggest that when referring to the name of the concert keep it as two words, but when referring to the country as one.  Additionally, to curb confusion, put in an explanation like above. --patton1138 18:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as a Bangladeshi I can answer the "why". Actually the word Bangladesh is formed by the fusing of two words, "Bangla" meaning the region/language and "Desh" meaning country (Like Scot+land). In the initial phases of the Bangladesh Liberation War, the name of the country was written as two words, but in the later phases as well as any time since then, the name is written as a single word. So, if you look at any wartime literature/news report/even postal stamps, you may see the name being written as two words. But any later reference, as well as the wikipedia articles, use the name subsequently used, both officially and unofficially. I agree with you that while referring to the concert, we should keep the name as written by the concert organizers (with a brief explanation note). Thanks. --Ragib 21:56, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

The Concert For Bangla Desh
For any editors of this page. A user made the page with "Bangla Desh" as linked in the subject here. I just figred I'd let you know since you might have a better idea about merging, etc. than I do. It has a nice album box. gren グレン 16:11, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No need to merge. Album article can stand on its own. "Bangla Desh" is correct title for album.-Wisekwai 19:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The concert film
I would propose that this article also cover the film. With the release of the DVD, the film/video experience is how a lot of people will relate to this concert. Wisekwai 17:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have added a bunch of information about the concert film and DVD release. This makes sense to me, because the film/DVD is how folks who didn't make it to the show are going to experience the concert. The album, rightly, has its own separate page, with dab links at top of both articles to refer to each other. And on this page, there's a section dealing the the album, with main link.-Wisekwai 19:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hear Me Lord
In Nicholas Schaffner's "The Beatles Forever", he mentions "Hear Me Lord" as having been performed at the afternoon show (p. 147). However, I've heard very little about that to this day. Can anybody here corroborate this? J. Spencer 23:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Organization of the Concert
Pandit Ravi Shankar had as much to do with the organization of the concert as Harrison did. Harrison in fact admitted that it was "all Ravi's idea" in the video for the concert. The article states that Harrison was the lone organizer. This should be corrected. --Bentonia School 16:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Other concerts

 * Bonnie Raitt at UNH also 1971?
 * recent concerts?

Bangla Dhun is NOT a raga
I edited the description of Bangla Dhun to state that it is a dhun, not a raga as had previously been indicated. The title of the song alone should indicate that it is a dhun, and the entry for the song itself states it is one, so I changed the listing on this page to be consistent.-- ROG 19 (talk) 21:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

New "The video" section reads like an ad
Very suspicious about this new section (and thanks to contrib who added relevant tags in the article). Seems like an ad for an upcoming bootleg vid − strongly suggest the section either be removed altogether or edited down to a mere mention that an alternative filmed record has been discovered. JG66 (talk) 15:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks to me like the SPA who added the section is either the video's owner or an agent of the owner. I don't think the article would suffer if the unsourced section were deleted. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

All-new sections and cutting back Film description
I've added quite a bit of new text − more Background; new Preparation, Rehearsals and Reviews & Aftermath sections, and rewritten Concert Programme. So, knowing that this article's subject matter is of interest to a few wiki projects, plus fans of various artists and musical genres, thought it best to provide some reasoning behind the changes. Seemed to me beforehand that the article's main emphasis was the film and subsequent DVD release, yet what's really notable, I'd think, is still the actual concert − that's the pioneering event, the film is just a memorable (visual) record of the concert(s). I take the point from a contributor back in 2006 (on this Talk page, I think) that readers were going to be more familiar with the concert/film DVD and that the actual concerts might be secondary. But that was a perspective that was true of 2005-06, after the recently released DVD; now, arguably, six/seven years after that long-awaited reissue of the film, it is again the concerts themselves that warrant the attention.

I've deleted the two setlists and replaced with discussion of afternoon and evening shows. Partly because the piece seemed so list-heavy (understandable when the article is covering both concert and concert film). Also worth pointing out that I've gone with Schaffner's account of afternoon show, and reviews in Village Voice and Eds of Rolling Stone (which is actually their Sept '71 article rehashed) for the evening show, and that the Village Voice writer mentions "Awaiting on You All" − in other words, this song was played at both shows, unlike what was given in this wiki article's two setlists previously. (Schaffner's list of the songs played at the two shows supports this: Beatles Forever p. 147.) Also, it seemed that so much relevant information was missing − but having said that, I hope I haven't gone too far in the other direction. (The concert build-up, particularly, is long, I know.) Personally, I think these details are relevant and notable by association, but I'm happy to go with a consensus of opinion if contribs feel some of the text should be cut. From here, I'm planning to rework the Concert for BD album article, so it could well be that some of the "aftermath" info might end up being moved there. I'll also take a look again at the Film and 2005 DVD sections here − I think mentions of memorable lines such "We've got a good show lined up for you ... well, I hope so anyway" and "We've forgotten Billy Preston!" might be welcome.

Cheers, JG66 (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

PS I've tired to un-italicise article heading by adding "| Italic title=no" at end of infobox (it worked in another article's album infobox, but not here in a film infobox, apparently). If anyone can help fix this, that would be great. I'm thinking, as with Live Aid, Concert for George, Glastonbury Festival, Woodstock, Isle of Wight, etc, the actual concert title should be roman (not ital); only a subsequent live album, film or book merits italicisation. So, because the Concert for Bangla Desh is the main focus, not the film/DVD, the article heading should be roman. That's my thinking anyway ... JG66 (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

PPS Made a few more changes so I thought I might as well add the comments under my original section heading:

JG66 (talk) 16:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Although the super-reliable All Together Now gives original movie length as 140 mins (and I think it was probably me who changed this article's infobox to match that, months ago), the original album was only 90-something minutes long, so I've gone with imdb's 103 mins for the '72 movie. But 2005 DVD is only 99 mins apparently, and I've added comment late in the article about the movie being slightly shorter on the reissue.
 * Contrary to Film's synopsis sub-section, there is no scene in the '05 film showing Rivera outside MSG interviewing fans − and nor is there the very end of "Bangla Desh", where (as I added recently) Clapton and Russell exit the stage shortly after George. Perhaps these current omissions account for part of the lost 4 mins in running time (hope so) − would welcome some input on this. The other thing I notice is that whereas the Rivera scene is no longer in the movie, there is a brief scene showing the soundcheck (a snippet of Dylan & GH doing "If Not for You", for instance) − that's not currently in the synopsis, so I'm wondering whether it should be (i.e. was it in the original movie, does anyone know?).
 * As the article's edit history shows, I removed mention from film synopsis of pipe-smoking Allen Klein (took to mention under Rehearsals instead) − but perhaps he was there in the original movie? (Klein appears in the Disc 2 doc, I realise, which shows more of the press conference.) In other words, another possible cut that might explain the lost 4 mins?
 * Re the mentions of Clapton's change of appearance from one show to the next: really seems to me that EC played the Byrdland for an entire show, and the Strat for the other one. Would be good to say which guitar for which show if anyone can help. Again, this is just supposition, but I can't help thinking that the extended backstage scene that shows on Disc 2's "menu" (where we see almost all the participants come out) is from the first show − just judging by everyone's nerves (everyone was so pleased with that first show, they'd have been pretty pumped up by the evening?). Anyway, EC's got the hollow-body in this scene and he's wearing the dark blue coat/jacket ...

Jack Royerton?
I notice the inclusion of Jack Royerton among the backing vocalists, yet he's not listed in the CD or DVD booklets, and at no stage in the film do we see anyone but Nix, Linnear, Jo Green, Dolores Hall, Jeanie & Marlin Greene and Don Preston in among the "Soul Choir". Does anyone know about this Jack Royerton? Seems like the name should be removed ... JG66 (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Have now deleted this name from musician credits JG66 (talk) 16:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Italics in article title, and rating on quality scale
I've tried re-adding the '| Italic title=no' line in the infobox but still can't seem to change article title to non-italics − which it should be, given that the real point of notability here and the main subject of the piece is the concert(s), not the film of the event. Can anyone help with this? Also, it would be great if someone could reassess the article on the quality scale − I was planning to nominate it for a GA but figure it needs to graduate to a B rating first (which I hope it is by now!). Cheers, JG66 (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I fixed the italics issue. The problem is that the parameter is '|italic title=no' with a lower-case i.
 * I also promoted the article to B class. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:56, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Changes to Film synopsis
Further to a recent topic above ("All-new sections ..."), which I realise I probably managed to complicate somewhat ... Answering my own question, it seems the Geraldo Rivera scene was never in the actual movie, but the brief scene showing them all setting up at MCG was, so I've changed the text accordingly. As a source, I'm going from John Pidgeon's July '72 NME article, reproduced on Rock's Back Pages. Here's the relevant text: "Just two short sequences precede the start of the concert: the first shows Harrison and Shankar at an explanatory press conference, the second scans the vast, empty Garden during rehearsals to the sound of Harrison's voice stating how he organised things 'with a little help from my friends'. From here on the film is, in effect, the Bangla Desh Concert album with visuals ..." Cheers, JG66 (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2012 (UTC)