Talk:The Contrabandista/The Chieftain

Separate Pages
I've set up the initial work, and will return later to it Adam Cuerden 10:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Good start. I've restructured the section order a bit, and added some more information in the intro. Marc Shepherd 16:17, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Added in the list of characters. Have seperated out all of Chieftain's minor roles. I don't think anyone below that line is of any particular importance: Juanita has a dance with Grigg in the Act I finale, but I can't think of anyone else that does anything of importance. I'm sure it'll come up when we hit the synopsis if I missed anything. Adam Cuerden 17:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice work on the background! Adam Cuerden 17:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The combined page for two distinct operas wasn't really very effective. Except for short comments at the top of the page, two separate works are being described, and there is little common discussion that would justify a common page. Marc Shepherd 18:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Inez and The Gondoliers
This is both dubious, and as far as I know, entirely speculative. Inez is simply one of the standard names for that type of character. Marc Shepherd 16:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes... I wasn't quite sure if it was worth mentioning, but it comes up on Savoynet on occassion. Deleted it. Adam Cuerden 16:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Synopsis
I'm not really happy with this. I mean "He tries to console her, but in the end decides the best option is to throw off his disguise and pretend to be another of the Ladrones' prisoners." hardly conveys the beauty of that scene. Even if it does convey Burnand's ham-fistedness of plot. Sheesh. It's almost as bad as his "A Miller and His Man". Adam Cuerden 18:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I attempted a revision, hopefully satisfactory. Marc Shepherd 18:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Aye, that looks good. Hate doing synopses. Always either add too much in, or end up with something exceedingly awkward.  Adam Cuerden 19:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Mind ye, it mostly gets around it by completely ignoring the point of awkwardness: The whole Vasquez shepherd disguise and pretending to be a prisoner for reasons that are never really explained. But what're ye supposed to do? Saying exactly what you think of Burnand's writing is POV! Adam Cuerden 19:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * All you have to do is find a citable source that has said so, and that shouldn't be difficult, as the clumsiness of Burnand's librettos was recognized pretty much from the start. I don't have my sources now, but will try to find something later. Or perhaps you'll beat me to it. Marc Shepherd 19:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Wonder whether we should split it: When I combined the article, I was rather presuming that we'd at least be able to ignore the first act of Chieftain in the Summary, but as it is, there's very little duplication. Admittedly, having both nearby is useful, and could get more useful if we take advantage of it. Perhaps a section on the revisions? Maybe a comparison of the staging "A guard by night"'s reveal of Vasquez would do as a pertinent sample of the improvements? ...Dunno. Marc? Adam Cuerden 22:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Had I been doing it, I would have made separate articles. The combined article is a bit awkward. Marc Shepherd 02:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Page move
The archived page is Talk:The Contrabandista/The Chieftain/Archive. – Leo Laursen – ☏ ⌘ 14:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)