Talk:The Crossroads of Destiny

New Info from the Nick.com website: Aang did not master the Avatar state or give up Katara
Quote on Celestial Avatar Spirit Aang: "This colossal figure represents Aang's mastery of the Avatar State. Aang encounters this giant version of himself in space during his meditation on the seventh chakra (pure cosmic energy.) The first time he meditates, (in 2.19) Aang has a vision of Katara in trouble and has to abandon his celestial twin. The second time he meditates, (in 2.20) Aang is interrupted when Azula shoots him with lightning. In both cases, Aang is unable to clear the chakra and master the Avatar State."

This is precisely what I've been saying ever since the season finale. And now the official website confirms it. Someone please edit this page (and the Aang page) so that it's more accurate. (NOTE: I am not a Kataanger. I'm neutral to ships.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.84.14.4 (talk) 04:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Yes, I strongly agree with you and so do mot people here. However, the Nick website has been wrong in many cases. I don't think they'd screw something this big up though. -Dylan0513 11:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't read this bit on nick.com that you're talking about, but in reference to the site's accuracy...to my experience it's not exactly a reliable source, and there are even obvious mistakes in the finale summary. I don't know if this is trustworthy or not. Yes, I'm a shipper, but all shipping aside, as far as I'm concerned, Aang went into the Avatar State, and thus opened the chakra. In "The Guru" his Avatar Spirit never really took over. His arrows began to glow, then he was interupted before anything else happened. In Crossroads, he began to demonstrate Avatar powers in the physical world before being struck down. Besides, he admitted that he was going to give up Katara (not just "try", like in the Guru), so I think that kinda states that he unblocked the chakra. Just sayin'.


 * Let it be known that very official sources now say that Aang did indeed die. Sources I can not and will not say though. And and all this time I was strongly saying he didn't die... -Dylan0513 19:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats just like all those other guys who say they have an official source for things, but can't "find" them, or even refuse to give it. Not to be rude or anything, but we need a source before we can believe what you are saying. For now we should go with what nick.com says, its the only source we have besides the show. Believe what you want, personally, I believe that Aang didn't clear the chakra, leaving his attachment to Katara intact; and Aang didn't enter the Avatar state, and didn't die, keeping the Avatar spirit alive. We will have to wait for season three to know for sure. 72.234.46.143 10:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Explanatory Note
Just in case anyone finds this article by following the link from its previous AfD: the invalid sources utilized in the deleted article are no longer used, its now sourced by valid ones. Thanks.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

So you got this from TVGuide?Xenero 23:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I just watched the split second preview so I added a little more to the description. I'd love to rant about 'Zutara' but I'll stick to the facts. Jill 20:40, 17 November 2006
 * See Talk:Katara.
 * Don't edit the official summaries please. They are not fan made for a reason. -Dylan0513 13:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Break Dancing?
I don't think the season finale is going to end in break dancing... Someone should remove that- but not me because... I just don't want to be yelled at (but watch me be yelled at anyway...)
 * LOL! Idiots putting stupid things. That would be hilarious though. -Dylan0513 00:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * there are a lot more absurd things that have have been put on if i think about i am going to see if its the same person thought the last one cited nick as the source but they used the same link thats links to nicks schedule page that was used in the next section to make it seem legit, i am not going to be surprised if the page gets protected in the next few days NekrosKoma 01:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop adding things about the trailers.
Please do not add synopsizes of trailers. While they may be interesting, such trailers are often patched together by networks to be deceptive. In addition, we have no way to tell which scenes are in "The Guru" and which are in "The Crossroads of Destiny".--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true. An example of that is seeing Zuko and Katara in the cave in the trailer at the end of The Earth King and in the latest trailer we learn Azula and Iroh are there too. -Dylan0513 13:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then again, Azula and Iroh may just be a hallucination as part of Zuko's internal conflict, like the red and blue dragons in his dream in the previous episode (The Earth King). Stretchyrubberbands 16:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, there definitely there. Watch the trailer. And from the latest on the new episode, Zuko is over his conflict at the very beginning of the Guru. -Dylan0513 16:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't get it, why are they posting that Zuko attacks Iroh? It doesn't look that way at all. It looks like Iroh is creating the fire more than it does him sucking it up or something. Eh, we'll see on the 5th. (By the way ZUKO STILL HAS HIS SCAR IN THAT PREVIEW!) H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe not for long. This could all take place during the Guru. Katara probably won't be able to heal Zuko's scar right away. And Zuko's scar being gone symbolizes him being a new person and taking a new path. -Dylan0513 21:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This along with The Guru are grouped as a season finale, so the commercials just describe the finale. 67.172.125.13 14:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and they are separate episodes with separate pages so there would be no where to put it. -Dylan0513 00:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Reactions?
We've got out work cut out for us with this one. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 02:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, wow. I still haven't recovered yet. Tv.com's avatar page is down is down, Distant Horizon's forum is down, avatar spirit is down. Imagine what'll happen here. -Dylan0513 02:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We appear pretty much screwed right now, I thought it was my own internet connection but I guess all the fansites are down mysteriously. Anyone wanna play the waiting game? 71.252.239.70 02:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Whydoit (Strangle Me for My Mistakes) 02:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC) (Didn't know I wasn't logged in)
 * Lol, my forum is open!!!: http://avatargroup.free-[takethisout]forums.org/ XD Come and join! XD!!! j/kj/kj/k-Dylan0513 02:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add more to the episode plot, please?
 * I will spend the rest of the evening righting up some good synopsis, and post them later on. 66.231.129.92 02:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol, I'm going to wait this one out, and edit in the morning. One thing we really need to do it shorten back the short summary. -Dylan0513 02:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it bad that I have my Watchlist open in 3 windows? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 02:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * XD, probably but I've got avatar websites in 5 windows seeing what has crashed, XD. Right now it's everything and it's already been 50 minutes! The Main Avatar article has moved up 5 popularity spots for December since the finale to 92, XD. -Dylan0513 02:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Holy crap I hd no idea the main was that far up in the first place...Whydoit (Strangle Me for My Mistakes) 03:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's only for one day so far though. It has made the top 100 in October though. Avatar is pretty popular here. I'd say second TV show right behind Naruto. -Dylan0513 03:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean to tear open old wounds, but do we have enough evidence to support that the Water Tribe soldier on the boat back in Appa's lost days is Hakoda? Just curious, 'cause then we'd have the first appearance of him outside of a flashback.--TriPredRavage 02:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, XD. It probably was him, but it's still speculation. It might have been Bato or something. -Dylan0513 03:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, we finally know that it isn't Bato for sure. We saw Bato's arm tonight covered in burns, the guy on the ship didn't have any burns.  Oh well, I'm not going to start a war over it, just happy that there's on less possibility, lol.  Good luck you guys fighting off the legions of shippers that are going to start attacking off of this one.  I'll probably pop in and fix gramatical errors if I can, but the synapsis is up to you guys.  Again, good luck and my hat's off to you guys and gals.--TriPredRavage 03:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol, it'll be quite a battle, XD. Too bad I'll be gone most of Saturday and Sunday, good luck everyone! XD -Dylan0513 03:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh... thanks. "H2P, Fyre, Y BCZ, here is a sword and a shield. Good luck fuckers". H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup, XD. I may be able to go on a little but I won't be able to be on a computer most of the weekend. I actually am having fun deleting the spam, XD. -Dylan0513 03:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd rather be playing Zelda, but I feel I have a moral oblication to prevent stupidity. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, XD. I'd rather be playing Wii and Zelda too. It' good to actually get something done and fun to delete the noobs, xD. -Dylan0513 03:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright men you're allowed a 30 minute break while we wait for the east coast to come on line. If you are injured see Dylan for some medicine and a new sword.

... Y BCZ please stop stabbing that nooblet. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Future Avatar episodes
Do you guys think there's gonna be a 4th book. Do you think Zuko has a bigger plan in mind for Azula? Boywonder18 05:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean double-cross her? They wouldn't have us waiting that long (to a new season) for it. Kochdude388 19:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

IS ZUKO EVIL NOW????
 * Perhaps season 3 will be based on Aang learning fire bending, and season 4 could be based on Aang's fight against the fire lord. There are some facts that disprove this however.Ashto 17:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the creators have planned to have Aang's first major conflict (Fire Lord) finished in three seasons. Ejg930 04:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Will Ang still have the power of all past avatars? His body may be revived by Katara, but what about all his spirits?
 * Aang did not die, therefore nothing happened to his power or bending abilities at all. -Dylan0513 22:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

My friend, shes really into this show, I no nothing about it, but w/e...she thinks that Zuko will become an ally to the avatar and teach him firebending...or finish what training another fire dude started. But no! You'll probly find another "NO THIS CANT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THAT...AND THIS!" Boo
 * Well if you watch the episode over and over again, during the battle scene Katara & Aang VS Azula where Katara says "I thought you changed" and he says "I did" I saw that as "I'm going to double-cross Azula." Ah, hopeful fangirlism... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.160.116.44 (talk) 01:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

hehe, "hopeful fangirlism" thats kinda funny...How can you be a fangirl ofan anime charrie? No offense, Zuko kicks @zz (hope i dont get in trouble for that), but HOW? I'm curious...Cuz I know Inuyasha fangirls too

I did hear from theavatarportal.com that Book 3: Fire will be aired on March. I don't know if it's true though.
 * Never trust that site, ever. Season 3 will most likely start airing in late April or early May. -Dylan0513 20:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's enough rumors floating around that I'd take anything with a grain of salt.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We do know for sure that January rumors are completely untrue. I'd go with the most reliable person in the whole Avatar online community and who has a direct source from Avatar on this one, Pooldude. -Dylan0513 21:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's of course assuming Nick won't change the plans last second (which they've only done about a million times. ;P)--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but as Pooldude has explained, Nick was indecisive in deciding on whether or not to renew avatar which caused the start of production of season 3 to be delayed. (Why would Nick ever think about not renewing their show with the 2nd best ratings? Maybe to get the statistics half way of season 2 or something.) So if Nick decides to change it, it would be later, not earlier. -Dylan0513 21:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Dylan this is the same station that canceled Invader Zim. I don't put anything past them. And any way, are you and Pooldude spooning each other or what? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 00:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol, I don't even know Pooldude, I just trust him the most in this world of stupid Avatar fans (I think about 70% are stupid). I would know pooldude if I wasn't forum banned from Tv.com XD (Long story.) And your right about Nick, but despite what people think Nick is treating Avatar amazing. The best slot on the best day for kids TV. We aren't getting deprived of anything. -Dylan0513 03:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Aren't getting deprived? "Season 3 will most likely start airing in late April or early May"? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd rather have it start then. This way there isn't the long break in summer like last time. -Dylan0513 12:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Somebody mentioned earlier on in this section that Zuko might be planning to double-cross Azula? Okay, take into consideration that I am a FULL-BLOWN Zutarian, and, despite all my wishful thinking, I STILL haven’t completely convinced myself either way. I’ve been mulling over this for a month and half, and I’m still not entirely sure. There’s strong evidence on both sides, suggesting that Zuko may or may not be faking it. Some of this evidence may be taken to either argument, as I’m about to demonstrate.

Evidence that Zuko is NOT faking it:

1.	Zuko considers attacking Azula for a moment before attacking Aang after she gives him a very fierce look; this may mean that he still wasn’t sure what he was going to do before he got there.

2.	Zuko tells Katara that he HAS changed, but maybe not in the way that she had thought.

3.	The last shot of Zuko’s face that we saw before he arrived at the battle was on the scarred side of his face, looking angry; this may indicate his decision.

4.	In his dream in “The Earth King”, Zuko listens to Azula before he listens to Iroh. She tells him to rest, and his eyes almost close (in other words, he was almost lost completely) before Iroh stops him; the Azula-dragon then attacks Zuko some moments later. This may mean that Zuko really HAS betrayed them, but he will be stopped before he completely loses himself, and Azula will double-cross him.

5.	It was demonstrated in “The Cave of Two Lovers” and “The Tales of Ba Sing Se: The Tale of Zuko” that Zuko, although he can carry on a guise once it’s been established, cannot come up with a believable lie on the spur of the moment; he obviously appears guilty at the end of Crossroads, which, because he is such a bad liar/actor, suggests that the emotion was legitimate.

6.	Iroh looks at Zuko with utter shame; this may or may not be real, however, as Iroh, unlike Zuko, has proven a good actor after fooling Zhao in the season 1 finale.

7.	Azula’s manipulative powers are highly shown in the finale (ex. She was able to completely take control of the Dai Li from Long Feng in less than a day). This may mean that she really DID get to Zuko after all, even though he starts to realize later that he’s been duped.

8.	Zuko is not particularly well known for thinking plans through; he may have genuinely betrayed them, without considering the dire consequences it would have.

Evidence that Zuko IS faking it:

1.	Zuko was alone with his Uncle after Azula left, which may mean that Iroh had further time to win his nephew back.

2.	Zuko was alone with Iroh before they joined the battle, and the old man escaped the crystals SOMEHOW. We know Firebending can break crystal, but we don’t know if Iroh could Firebend proficiently from that position; this may mean Zuko freed him.

3.	Zuko considered attacking Azula before he attacked Aang; this may mean that he was going to go against his Uncle’s plan of faking betrayal, but then went along with it in the end.

4.	When we see the shot of Azula smiling at Zuko’s decision, Katara is visible in the background; the Waterbender looks utterly shocked at the prince’s choice.

5.	Zuko attacks Aang first; we know he still harbors a lot of anger toward Aang, but he may consider Katara his friend, which is why he didn’t initially attack her.

6.	When Zuko fought Katara, he told her that he HAD changed, perhaps trying to get across to her that he hadn’t really betrayed them.

7.	Although he put a hurtin’ on Aang, Zuko never landed a direct substantial blow to Katara; even though he still harbors a lot of anger toward Aang, Zuko may have considered Katara his friend, which is why he didn’t hurt her, even though he might have had the opportunity. Any direct damage, if any, that was done to Katara was done by Azula.

8.	The battle was interrupted by the Dai Li, which Zuko didn’t anticipate; it’s difficult to tell what might have happened had the Earthbenders not arrived.

Ugh. The utter indecisiveness makes me sick, and I just wish season 3 could get here (I shouldn't be so impatient.). Personally, what I think the most likely explanation is that Zuko really DID betray them, but it was a stupid, spur-of-the-moment decision, caused mostly by Azula’s manipulative powers; he will realize this soon, probably within the first few episodes of season three, and turn against Azula, before she has the chance to turn on him. (Don’t ask my how he’ll free Iroh, or regain the gaang’s trust, cause I really don’t know for sure.) I think it was made clear that Zuko’s decision probably wasn’t final. And for those of you out there who STILL trust nick.com, even though it’s been proven to not be completely reliable, it says in the Crossroads episode summary that Zuko’s expression at the end of the episode suggests that he doubts whether he did the right thing. *shrug * Ah, well. All will be made clear in season 3, I suppose.71.164.58.107 01:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

About these "important" notes.
Hardly important at all. First one is just another skill, no need to mark the first time every skill is used. 2 and 3, all the characters get better through the show, goes on the character's articles if anywhere. Fourth, just a new skill, goes on Firebender.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but first times the major skills are used. I think propeling yourself like a jet using firebending is importent enough to be on the notes, seeing as how they weren't mentioned in the main article.


 * the jet firebending is really the only one that has decent enough relevance to be mentioned NekrosKoma 05:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Going by this logic, any mention of bending lightning or redirecting it should be removed from any notes also, seeing as they are "only skills".

Lightning Bending plays a major plot point in the show. This isn't Naruto or DBZ or Inuyasha. New bending moves don't mean anything special outside the bending page they represent. If we were to put each new move in each episode notes section we would need to go through all the episodes and add every single new manuever in order to be consistant. It's just not necessary for this episode. It's like those notes about when Katara has let her hair down, it's not important. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I've requested full protection, this is getting out of hand. Everybody, and I do mean EVERYbody, needs to read over WP:3RR again.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Gotta love WP:3RR. I've abused that thing about 5 times today. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

TheWP:3RR is pretty useless anyway. At least to me, being an anon user who can change her IP in a matter of seconds.

They're imporent because it shows a certain skill that has neer been seen before and never thought to have been possible. Propeling yourself as a jet is importent enough to me to be on the notes.
 * Its just a new skill. It can (and should) go on Firebender, but its not needed here.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it could go there, but it happened first in this episode and should be noted. Besides, I really don't see the big deal in having it in the notes section. People will see and be informed, is it that bad it's up there? You group of fanboys are a bunch of over zealous fanatics.
 * Which is exactly why nothing I say here is going to change your mind about the note being there. You don't understand why they aren't needed here and no amount of us talking to you will change your mind. However, if you are willing to sacrifice sleep, feel free to keep putting them up there. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't understand why they are needed here and no amount of me talking to you will change your mind. However, if you are willing to sacrifice sleep, feel free to keep putting them up there. The road goes both ways buddy. And the fact that you imply that you would sacrifice sleep just to prove me point wrong is creepy infact. Sacrificing sleep just to prove your point (which is very small, these are just notes bud) just shows that you are the epitome of nerd and loser. Really, this is just an issue about small information not bieng importent enough by your standards. Really, is it that bad to have them up there, I mean they are informing people of interesitng facts. I think they are relevant enough to stay.

You know what guys, you both need to stop. Now. Edit warring is a bad thing, period. As of now, we all have inflamed tempers, and no good comes from that. Let's just let it be for now, get more editors input, and settle this, rather than just reverting warring until somebody falls over from exhaustion.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But... But, I want to earn that title :-(. I WILL be the "the epitome of nerd and loser" even if it kills me. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hate to break it to you, but I think we may both have been there a few thousand edits ago. :P--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

So very sad on what a show can do to people.
 * Apparently you haven't seen a single fan page or forum on Avatar throughout the entire web. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I'll have you know I was a full-on geek long before I ever saw Avatar.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking of this argument, I think it's time you raise your temper level on your page Fyre. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 06:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I made a note about this, but it was deleted, and no reason was given here, so I will suggest it here. I think a note should be made that this is the second season finale to end with a character expressing shame towards Zuko. Of course, Iroh was ashamed, but in Book I, Zhao expressed shame at the fact that Zuko offered to help him. What are you all's thoughts? Aang-kai 20:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Where did Zhao express any shame at Zuko's actions? I saw rage, anger, hatred, defiance, etc., but no shame.  He was never disappointed with Zuko, since he never had any respect for Zuko in the first place. There might have been shame in The Southern Air Temple when Zuko didn't deal a final blow in their Agni Kai, called him a coward and whatnot, but even that's a stretch.  JBK405 20:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point, I guess. I saw shame in that he was disappointed Zuko would even offer to help him....May be far-streched, but I figured it would be worth some shot, since people are already comparing this to Star Wars and everything else. Aang-kai 20:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Is zuko evil now?

Hit on back or foot?
Aang was definitely struck by lightning on the back and exits on the foot. His wound in the back are much larger than the burn marks on the foot and this was where Katara placed the oasis water.

We don't know lightning works in these situations, maybe exit wounds are larger than entrance wounds (That's how it is with bullets). After all, whenever you see a character shoot lightning it expands as it travels, from a small dot at their fingertips to a wide burst of electricity.

Besides, the back is a much more vital area, that's right where the heart, lungs, and all the other organs are. Putting water on the back might have just been because that's where the lethal damage occured JBK405 17:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If you play the scene again, you definitely can see that the back was hit and not the foot. You can see it through Azula's eyeballs and before the background turned black.

If that's true, then I've no more objections. JBK405 18:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm downloading it currently, I'll help confirm it. It makes sense for the back mainly because it's a bigger target area. I reverted your change before reading this page (I stand behind my revert of the other notes) so feel free to change it back. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Did we ever make adecision on whether to add this or not? Cause it's been popping in and out every few hours. JBK405 16:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Episode Review
Should I write up a review similar to the one I wrote for The Guru? Aang-kai 16:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I will post my review, and we can just edit it out accordingly. I will copy the current edition, save it, and if we decide that it was better, we can just re-edit it back in. Aang-kai 18:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thats scary

Picture
Just wanted to add my two sense about the picture we're using. I must tell you it is absolutly perfect. Remind anyone of anything? Heres a hint. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 20:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why thank you. Glad I decided to put it their earlier this morning. Though someone else loaded it up. Aang-kai 20:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

could this be considered a spoiler... i mean i don't really think so but some people may 71.77.3.224 23:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it's probably a coincidence, but...
Anyone else see parallels between Azula's taking out of the Council of Five and the legendary "taking out of the heads of the Five Families" in The Godfather?--Choi9999 05:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

There was certainly a similarity, especially the way it quickly cut between each of them going down, but nothing actually noteworthy, the cinematics, style of assault, and setting are all quite different. JBK405 16:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The director, Giancarlo Volpe, has a DA account, and there he said that if he had to pick a favorite movie, it'd be "The Godfather", so I'd say it could be relevant. 72.65.148.90 21:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven
 * Maybe...but there are a lot of people that would call that their favorite movie. Unless there's some more concrete proof, I still don't think we should put in in an article.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Aang Dead!?
Can we say that Aang was dead? i mean, not even the waterbenders can resuscitate... (if they can't heal a scar, why would they be able to resuscitate) i think he was fainted near dead but yet not dead.

We can't, and don't, say he was dead; right now all we have is "Very badly hurt, possibly near death, but healed by Katara." We'll need to wait until Season 3 (Or some sort of official press release) to actually know exactly what happened. JBK405 00:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Er i was referring to the notes, sorry didn't notice that was already taken away.

He obviously didn't die. The ramifications would be too great if he didn't and I doubt one lightning strike would kill the avatar. -Dylan0513 00:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I know it's not the place, but he's a 12 years old boy, a lightning may be fatal, mostly of us forgets that he's still just a boy, not yet fully powered. However as the statics show, around 75% of he people who are struck by a lightning survive, so it's actually very possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.158.159.52 (talk) 00:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
 * He's 112. And I'm pretty sure real world statistics differ from fantasy especially bending. -Dylan0513 00:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Have you ever heard of his suspension time, he didn't grow up, come on, he's still 12 years old. And the statics I'm referring to are totally real. I saw that on discovery channel. Let me see if i can find them for you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.158.159.52 (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Please see this and this  and even here on wikipedia, actually a short search will show my point. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.158.159.52 (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Yeah, Avatar isn't real. And bending lighting isn't the same as it coming from the sky. I agree he's not dead, actually he is not dead nor didn't die. -Dylan0513 00:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If he was dead, then Mike and Bryan wouldn't have a show. I mean, yes yes Avatar is fairly shocking for a Nicktoon, but honestly! Killing off the title character? That's career suicide. Besides, the water was "special" from the Spirit Oasis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.160.116.44 (talk) 01:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC).


 * ATTENTION: Mike and Bryan said in an interview with ASN that Aang DID NOT DIE. I added this note once before, but it was removed (I don't know why). I put it back up. If there's some reason why it shouldn't be up there, please let me know... 71.182.27.130 01:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Iroh and Earthbending
I'm removing the trivia about Iroh being able to Earthbend. There is no evidence for this at all. Yes we don't know how he escaped the crystals but that does not constitute him being able to earthbend his way out. Azula proved that with sufficient power, firebending can shatter those crystals. It is show cannon that only the Avatar can bend multiple elements, save except the speacial branches of each bending discipline that can be acheived by masters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Avogadro522 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC). -Actually someone already removed it for me. Thank you.

Toph and Iroh
there is a comment in the body of the article expressing the view that Toph did not know that she had met Iroh before. This seems illogical and contradictory to events that happened in both "the drill" and "the crossroads of destiny." Firstly, if she could recognize people by earthbending, as she could when we met her (recognizing Aang in the garden), there is no reason she wouldn't recognize Iroh, who she met twice in "the chase," once without being introduced, when he was clearly identified as Iroh in the fight scene when Azula as early as then. This is later confirmed (I thought) when she makes some snotty remark in defense of Iroh's less than successful siege to the Earth Kingdom General. And finally, she showed no shock at learning that her 'old friend' was Iroh in this episode. Why? she knew from the fight scene in "the chase" who he was, because she has no trouble recognizing people even without sight. That's why the normally chilly Toph showed an uncharacteristic amount of concern about his wound after Azula laid the sucker punch on him after the show down in the ghost town.

Yeah! That was a sucker punch on Azula's attack.-DJ 168.212.126.135 16:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Toph recognies Iroh as the guy the she met in the woods, and she recognied him as such during the fight in the Chase, but might not know that he's Iroh. He never did identify himself to Toph, at least not with his real name, so for all she knows he's just a random guy who joined in on their brawl.

Now, it'd be logical to assume that, after the Chase, she'd ask one of the other gang members who Iroh was, since they obviously had some sort of history (Katara addressed Zuko by name and they were fighting on the same side); but since Sokka and Aang don't seem to know that she ever met Iroh (Since they plainly asked "You two know each other?"), we can't say that she did.

So, we know that she knows Iroh is the guy she met in the Chase, but we don't know if she knows that he's Iroh, brother to the Fire Lord and all that. JBK405 16:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That's true, we don't know for sure. However, I think that it would be wrong to say definitively that she DIDN'T know, given the strong possibility that she either figured it out herself or was told after the fact by one of the others, so it should be left the way it is, recognizing that they met, but saying nothing else.

Well...yeah. I didn't know the article said she definitely didn't know who Iroh was, I'd have changed that if it did. JBK405 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Toph probably knows at the end of this eppisode b/c they brought up the whole issue, with iroh's nephew zuko, and sokka and aang like >.< and such.. :-) Orangeypie 23:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Iroh's love of tea
Iroh seems to enjoy tea not only for it's taste, but also for its firebending abilities. Have you ever dranken hot tea ( or soup) and noticed the heat that seems to stay in your mouth? Iroh managed to firebend this heat and breathe flames, thereby earning him the nickname "the dragon of the west". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashto10 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
 * We all know this, so what was the point in adding it to the discussion? It is not just the heat from the tea. If you remember back in Book: Water, when Zuko got upset once, he simply looked up and shot small flames (or steam...can't remember) out of his mouth. If a Fire bender can shoot flaes out of his hands, feet, as well as generate heat over his entire body, what prevents them from doing so out of their mouth? Total speculation, but perhaps the nickname was acquired from when he first battled at Ba Sing Se, and an Earthbender saw him do this same act, like a dragon, and since the Fire Nation lies West of Ba Sing Se (though it could lie east as well) they started calling him, "The Dragon of the West?" Aang-kai 18:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

too many details???
Compared to some of the older episodes, this one seems to have a lot of details. here h2p obviously felt that to much detail was in The Guru. WHat makes the little piece of watchiing Toph fall more important than the other one. And if you are going to protect those two lines so much, why don't you put that much detail in the first season articles. I'm sure they need more work than this one, yet you spend more time fixing this instead of improving the other articles. Cnriaczoy42 18:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It does need to be trimmed. I don't work on the synopsizes much so I wouldn't know what to trim. -Dylan0513 23:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was not a member of Wikipedia back then: Only joined in September. If I had access to all of the season one episodes, I would right reviews, but sadly, being in college there is a strong limit to what I can spend money on.


 * I know it is lenghty, and the only reason I put back the lines about Toph is because H2P put them back in as well, and then an unnamed member deleted them, and he put them back, and they were removed. I felt if H2P thinks they are noteworthy, then by all means they should be there (He seems to be the most active member of the Avatar Project). Aang-kai 23:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol, that title is shared between H2P, Fyre, Y BCZ and I. I do think it's important to have the details in the synopsis, but quotes are a little much unless they're very important. Also, small actions shouldn't be described I think. -Dylan0513 23:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Darn it, I'm not in that group yet. Guess I have to edit ten times as much and actually help the project. Cnriaczoy42 00:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually it seems to go in a wave. Before Fyre, Y, and Myself there was Prototime, Pacific Coast Highway, and Raceberry. I don't see any of them anymore usually. JBK has been moving faster than me so I think Fyre and myself may be replaced soon too :-P. Anyway, on the subject. Basically it needs to be trimmed to the point that all the important details are covered while all the small minor details are left out. Example: In Guru, you don't need to say that the Dai Li were gripped to the pillars listening in to Mai and Ty Lee when all you would need to say is that the Dai Li listened in on the conversation. Point by Point details make the page to long and much harder to read. We want to give the Beginning, the End, and all the things that led up to it, not the tiny details in between. In Crossroads you don't need to say "They entered the house and Toph used her senses to know that it was empty" when you could just say "They arrived at the house to find it empty." (this would be hard to write due to what happened next, but you get the idea). Also, AVOID QUOTES AT ALL COSTS. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I know this is off topic, but if you could please read WP:ES, you can see why it is important to leave an edit summary every time. IT allows every one to see what you have done without actually reading the differance. THis saves time. If you would like another way to revert faster, go to WP:POPUP and you can view the changes without going to the page. If you would want help in getting popups, please post to my talk page. THank You. Cnriaczoy42 01:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Last scene hinting something?
If you look at the very last scene of Katara sitting beside Aang, most of you might notice that she’s staring right at us with a worried look. (I am not very sure, or is she looking at the Earth King?) And if you look at the opening of the first episode (The Boy in the Iceberg), the part when Katara introduces the story to us, there’s a part when she tells us that her father left her village, and she says something like, “some people believe that the Avatar was never reborned into the Air Nomads and the cycle is broken, but I haven’t lost hope…” There, we see Katara looking at us with hopes in her eyes. Do you think that there might be a connection between the last scene of episode 40 and the introduction of episode 1? (I might be completely wrong…) Maybe it’s hinting something? --62.101.126.229 17:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hinting what, exactly? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 17:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Meh. The episode had a lot of circular elements to it, and by that I mean it alluded to the first episode of the series. I mean, the scene where Aang wakes up and Katara looks down at him mirrors their first encounter when she freed him from the iceberg. In any case, it doesn't merit too much on this web site. Y BCZ 02:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

perhaps Toph is not the only metalbender?
Somewhat (hah) speculative but when listening to the arrests of the Generals the shackles sound like they are metal (they also look like metal but the sound was what intrigued me). Perhaps the Dai Li use sufficiently impure metal shackles so that they may bend them (as a team or alone) while suspects can't? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.74.67.91 (talk) 21:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC).
 * See Talk:Toph Momoroxmysoxoff 22:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You might not have noticed, but this was discussed earlier in other talk pages. Many took the view that a sufficiently trained chain wielder could probably just about do the tricks that the Dai Li did. It was fairly inconclusive, and you may be onto something, and metal bending may be like healing or lightning manipulation; a high level technique not everyone can do, or do well, but not something unique or even THAT unheard of (perhaps some of Bumi's advisors realized his plan wasn't insane, as they knew he could escape from his cage and destroy the Fire Nation's machines). That being said, I think that the agents may have had enough skill to influence the path of the chains, given that they were impurely forged, but not alter there shape and consistency at will, like they might with regular rock, and like Toph managed to do with her cage.

It would make sense, in war time, for the earthbenders not to advertise that a tiny minority of their number could metalbend, as that knowledge would make the Fire Nation more afraid to take prisoners, and  encourage them to assassinate the very few masters with this power, many of whom, like Long Feng, are probably important political leaders who wouldn't generally be fighting in the field anyway. Also note that the only other benders besides Toph who we even have the slightest reason to suspect of metal bending are the Dai Li, who are secretive and would fail to advertise their power on general principle.

In Avatarescape.com, after Aang is injured by Azula's lightning, he goes to the Spirit World and must reconnect his past four lives, or the Avatar cycle will end. Any comments about this info?
 * Nope. ;) Nick promotions aren't fact. -Dylan0513 18:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Although the Avatar Escape info does not belong here, the creators did state that much of the information contained therein is canon.

Guys, Toph isn't a metalbender. She wasn't bending the metal, she was just hitting it so it would budge. The metal she was trapped in, it wasn't pure; not like fire nation metal. So she is not a metalbender, she is a plain old regular earthbender like all the others. Things like this aren't as simple as they seem. Jimblack 22:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Jimblack
 * No actually, she was bending the metal. She was using the unpurified earth in the metal to move it. The reason other earthbenders haven't figured out that they can do it yet is because Toph uses her blindness to detect the earth within the metal and manipulate it. Other earthbenders don't have such an acute sense of the earth around them, so they can't bend the metal the same way. Bagpipeturtle 22:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well if she was bending it, don't you think King Bumi can bend it too? He's the greatest earthbender in the world. Jimblack 23:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Jimblack

He said "most powerful," not "greatest," and the those aren't synonyms. Plus, boasting can't be taken seriously. Also, no conjecturenon Wiki. JBK405 00:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

New SEASON
WHEN IS IT STARTING, can somebody please tell me?
 * You know as much as anybody else.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I've heard from a source at Nickelodeon Magazine that the third season is expected to start airing in the fall. Nothing to cite, though - but it's an answer to the question. Taniara 06:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Wish i had a time machine... (RedwallFreak305 7-7-07 6:56 pm) check this out http://www.tv.com/avatar-the-last-airbender/the-awakening/episode/801265/recap.html please leave a message at jeduardum wikipedia in spanish thanks...


 * They let out the release date at comic-con. September 21, 8 o'clock EST.71.164.53.189 20:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

check this out http://avatarang.blogspot.com/

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