Talk:The Crow (1994 film)/Archive 1

Separate articles
Shouldn't there be seperate articles for the comic book and for the movie? --Fritz S. (talk) 09:40, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed and done. violet/riga (t) 11:02, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee lived right down the street from me while they were filming this movie. He was really good friends with my parents. TearAwayTheFunerealDress (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Plot
Now that the comic and film have seperate articles, we should tidy up the Plot synonsis for both articles to reflect the individual stories. -- LGagnon (talk) 16:48, May 29, 2005 (UTC) And this was how it happened —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.4.15.158 (talk • contribs).


 * Yes it seems kind of confusing now. Or at lest redirect them. TearAwayTheFunerealDress (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

The Crow: City of Angels (album)
This page, and every other "Crow" page needs to have The Crow: City of Angels (album) linked in the box on the right. I'd do it, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to edit that. 71.124.15.219 (talk) 03:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Finishing the movie
If Brandon died, how did they finish the movie? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.102.122 (talk • contribs).


 * When Lee died most of the movie had already been filmed. There were a couple of scenes where they used a body double, and digitally put Lee's face in, when required. The scenes are listed on imdb's trivia page for the movie . --SnakeSeries (talk) 21:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Goth
The latest addition to the article refers to The Crow as a "Goth phenomenon". I don't think Goth is the right term for it. O'Barr, as far as I know, isn't in the goth culture, and this was made before goth was a part of pop culture. -- LGagnon (talk) 14:40, 26 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, back before it really had a name and a set 'look,' anyway. I was once informed that Eric was modeled on Peter Murphy (although the hair is more classic Daniel Ash), but I can't confirm this. Also, when did O'Barr first start working on The Crow in the first place? --Paul Soth (talk) 12:18, 12 July 2004 (UTC)
 * It's correct as it is - the look, feel, and music that influenced the comic was Goth, but early 80's goth - not the commercial "goth" that was revived in the 90's. Joy Division and The Cure were two heavy influences in O'Barr's work, and he has said as much. Those two bands tipify the early goth scene. 80.177.0.2 (talk) 02:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Budget
What was the budget for this movie? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.250.120.197 (talk • contribs).

Name of band
Does anyone know the name of the band in the movie that plays before introducing the two kingpins because i really need to know who and what the name of that song is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.50.76.11 (talk • contribs).
 * The one that plays live? Medicine. Tarc (talk) 04:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Symbolism
Some effort to discuss the symbolism and esoteric aspects of the film should be made, such as the significance of the angels alluded to, or the symbols disguised as graffiti. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.220.57 (talk • contribs).
 * As I understand it, the symbols disguised as grafitti come from the White wolf game Mage:_The_Ascension (they are the symbols representing the nine spheres of magick). Originally, the symbols were taken from old alchemical texts (according to White Wolf itself). Apparently, one of the set dressers was a fan of the game, which was relatively new at the time. This information came, as I recall, from Fangoria magazine around the time of Lee's death and before the release of the film, but I don't have an actual citation for it. -- Gregordyne (talk) 05:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

DVD details
I think we should include details for the Collector's DVD edition of this movie that included a Brandon Lee interview and some deleted scenes as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shakirfan (talk • contribs).


 * Put the cover on the dvd as well. Get the US version. The current one is ugly. maybe find a movie poster.--D-Boy 04:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the DVD cover is fine in my opinion. Shakirfan (talk) 16:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm with D-Boy. The orange British version is awful (I see they're using a similar version at IMDb, too). The black poster with Lee in a white column of light is by far the best, although the gray crow image wouldn't be bad, either. --WWB (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Exactly.--D-Boy (talk) 06:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Deaths section

 * Is this really necessary? It seems superfluous to me, and not an important plot point. Desdinova (talk) 18:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't. Removed. MSJapan (talk) 04:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Lee's death
I posted that Brandon Lee's death did not occur during the scenes where he get's shot in the apartment! I dont know why this was deleted as it is a stated fact by detectives which worked the case. The shot that was filming was the pawn shop sequence. I named my source as 'the best of unsolved mysteries' disc 2 episode 2. The program includes the detectives and Brandon Lee's mother..it is accurate as the death info written in the main article is false. stv —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.163.106.253 (talk • contribs).
 * That contradicts every other source that details it happening during the loft/rape sequence. Plus, it was Michael Massee (Funboy) who fired the shot, and he was definitely not in the pawn shop scene with Lee. Not sure how your source gets around that one.
 * Until something conclusive is produced, this should be reverted. Tarc (talk) 18:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

During a phone interview with a morning show DJ that was broadcast in Nashville TN the black actor whom played the police officer was asked about Lee's death. The man hesitantly replied that a second police review of some sort had discovered that Brandon Lee was not shot with a pistol round as believed, but with a rifle round of the same basic caliber. I believe that he'd said it was a .44 caliber round. The discussion made it sound as if the verdict of accidental death wasn't entirely accepted, though I myself can believe that if a round of longer length and similar diameter was forced into a pistol cartridge that in and of itself could be why the round became stuck in the barrel. I've had 'specialty rounds', rounds I bought from a gun show, lodge in the barrel of one of my pistols in a like manner. If anyone could come up with evidence of a change in the police account of what happened I'd like for it to be posted here, however I'm not having any luck finding it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LancerMKVII (talk • contribs) 07:47, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

the cathedral/church
does anyone know what the name of the cathedral or church is during the fight scene at the end? if not, can you tell me where it's located? -Wanderingstar3505 12:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It does not exist, it was a semi built (it had two walls but no roof!) set. DerangedKitten (talk) 08:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Bullet
It says Brandon Lee was shot with a 'dummy' bullet, should this read as a rubber or dum-dum bullet? Dueledge (talk) 21:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it was a real bullet that wasn't supposed to be capable of firing, having no explosive charge in its cartridge. However, it was lodged into the gun's barrel when they used it in an earlier scene, and when the same gun was used to fire a blank cartridge (which has an explosive charge but no bullet), the explosion sent the old bullet flying out of the gun and directly into Lee's side. ShaleZero (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Unnecessary, Speculative and Poorly Written
I will remove this from the "Death of Brandon Lee" section:

'Michael Masse, the actor who plays funboy, was not to blame. An unknown person in the production film, wanted the film to look real, but little did this person know that it would personally injure him.'

...as it contains spelling, capitalisation, and grammatical errors. It also contributes nothing to the reader's understanding and contains no verifiable or even meaningful information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liquidcentre (talk • contribs) 12:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Crow template be placed at the bottom of this article?
Was it removed? If so why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kryptography (talk • contribs) 14:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Scene of Death
Did they keep the scene in which Lee is shot and killed in the film? 209.253.116.130 (talk) 23:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it was done again with a body double. --89.182.24.101 (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

After the orginal film of the scene was reviewed by the authorites, in respects to Lee's family the film was destroyed. dixierosesc (talk) 04:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

yes, they did keep the scene. it was common knowledge when the film came out. after draven comes back to life, he returns to his former apartment. after he walks in, he has a flashback of his self getting shot. the entire flashback is colored red. this is the actual footage of brandon lee being shot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.138.32 (talk) 17:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

You are talking out your ass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.57.130 (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The film's theme tune: "Burn" or "Big Empty"?
What makes you guys think The Cure's "Burn" is The Crow's theme tune. The Pilots' "Big Empty" is often considered the true theme tune. -- 92.20.97.218 (talk) 17:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The big empty is the "real" theme but no one cares and everyone accepts burn as the real theme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.57.130 (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

References to use

 * Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.


 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik (talk • contribs) 18:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Overlinking
I have removed some wikilinks that constitute, in my opinion, overlinking. There is no need to link common words that a reader is unlikely to need to go to another article to get more information for. Having excessive wikilinks detracts from the usefulness of those wikilinks that should be there. One example is throws out of a window. Just because we have an article on defenestration doesn't mean that linking to it from this article is useful to the reader. People will understand the concept. Links should also not be repeated in close proximity. As an anonymous editor has been replacing these links, it would be helpful if he or she would discuss here why they think these links are necessary. Anyone else is welcome to comment/disagree of course... -- Beloved Freak  15:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Should there be a section of the article for comparisons of the source material?
I'm asking this due to the fact many people who love the movie don't know there are differences and to inform people that there are differences within the story to possibly get them to check out the differences. I put this forward because I know there are more then one or two minor things, such as the character of the crow who talks to Eric in the comic and has varying opinions then Eric on a few things.-71.202.72.88 (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That would be a good thing to include, bu only if it's discussed in indeprendent reliable sources, otherwise it would border on original research. Although it's a simple thing to point out what is in the comic but not the film, who are we to decide which bits are important enough to discuss? So, if you can find something in a reliable source that discusses some of the differences, then no problem.-- Beloved Freak  07:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Category:Telepathy in fiction
The article mentions this 5 times using other reliable sources; that should be a reasonable amount of evidence the the inclusion of this category regardless of that I did not add those references. I should be able to add categories whenm it is readily apparent using a basic word count and having read the current wikipedia article it's self and seen it's references. If their an argument this film doesn't feature telepathy several times? Anything more than three seperate occurrences is a fair indication and this is 5. CensoredScribe (talk) 03:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Linking
help me

What is the practice or policy of linking names etc in cinema articles since cast and crew can be included in an article and linked several times. Is there a practice that there be only one link per name and that the lede take precedence over box or cast/crew? Because if there is not a practice as to how many links there should be to reduce redundancy and provide readers with a strategy as to where if there is an article therefore a resulting link where it should be found.66.74.176.59 (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:OVERLINK says, "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." So that means it is okay to provide links in the lead section, the film infobox, and in the "Cast" section. Hope that helps! Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 17:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Changes to the plot
has any information on what they changed/removed ever been relased? like an orginal script or somthing. were the changed scens importent at all or just filler 73.38.65.48 (talk) 08:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Skull Cowboy
It would be great to mention him. There's a reference about the character. http://www.mtv.com/news/2595354/the-crow-15-years-of-devils-night-3/ (also a reference for a deleted scene with Funboy) HG (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)