Talk:The Cult/Archive 1

Jamie Stewart
I have linked up Jamie Stewart but does anybody know if that is the same Jamie Stuart who was in the Cult? ( Davehard 14:13, 26 December 2005 (UTC) )

It is a different musician.. Thermaland 00:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Could someone please adjust the tablature below to include producers of these singles?

Grunge
ok,as a grunge,and cult fan,i just have to say that "the cult" is by no means a grunge band. i also saw that "stone temple pilots" was referenced as a seattle grunge band. they're from california,and while gaining popularity in the grunge era helped them to be labled a grunge band,it only takes a listen to any post "core" album to see they are anything but grunge. the rest of your facts seem to be pretty on target. i enjoy the site,and hope this didn't sound rude or pretentious.

sincerely, ryan box

Death Cult
I put the Death Cult EP back into the discography. At this moment, Death Cult redirects to The Cult page, so I believe that this article is the most appropriate place to put this information. If someone wants to make a separate Death Cult article, as has been done with Southern Death Cult, then this information could be moved there. But until then, I think we ought to leave it where it is. (Also, I don't think that there's enough information about Death Cult as a separate entity to sustain an full article, so to my mind, it is more logical to put it on The Cult's article.) Differing points of view are welcomed. GentlemanGhost 23:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Definetely not Gothic
Just want to add that they definetely are not gothic music. They may have been associated by the media but gothic grew up as part of the punk rock scene with The Damned, Joy Division and Siouxsie and the banshees and this definetely is not punk rock. This like you said a British Rock band sounding more like the Doors. Too many people try to associate them as Gothic music but like you have correctly said they are not.


 * On the contrary, "Gothic rock" is a form of psychedelic rock, that is darker and often adds elements of punk. So "Gothic rock" is a fairly accurate representation of the Cult in the first two albums.
 * PhoenixSunburn (talk) 14:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with PhoenixSunburn. How can they not be considered gothic? Apart from the frequent use of architypal goth rock imagery, songs such as Rain, Hollow Man etc etc and their fascination with spiritulism are so obviously goth. Everybody tries to label goth as one type of music and that couldn't be further from the truth. There is no one message, one colour, one belief - there isn't really a gothic movement as such. It is true that The Cult have a huge rock fan base in the USA and that they are a rock group, but that does not exclude them from being a gothic group. They are not mutually exclusive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xiuxiuejar (talk • contribs) 18:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Born Into This
Do we know if this is standard modern Cult fayre or have they taken a new musical direction? Is this another "Love", "Ceremony" or "The Cult"? -- 86.17.211.191 09:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

History "all wrong"?
I removed this addition by to the The_Cult section:


 * Ie: 9/12/08 Ian Astbury says this is all wrong at a concert in Richmond VA!!

While this may be true, I would point out that The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. And if Mr. Astbury would like to see this article changed, a more appropriate response would be to direct us to reliable sources that he does not consider "all wrong". Simply bad-mouthing the hard work that editors have done on this article is not helpful. Noca2plus (talk) 17:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Link to Peace Album daughter article
Editor and possibly the same user at  have repeatedly reverted my linking to Peace (Cult album). It's clear that Nomorepeace believes the Peace article should not exist, but so far has been unwilling to make the effort to nominate at WP:AfD (see Talk:Peace_(Cult_album)). So long as the Peace article exits, it seems entirely appropriate to wikilink it to this article per WP:LINKRELEVANT. I'm restoring the link. Noca2plus (talk) 17:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Singles
I do not recall what the box with all the Cult internal links is called (many bands have them), but I believe that there should be a list of their singles in it, much like other bands do. Just wanted to throw that out there. PhoenixSunburn (talk) 15:00, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Writing out of your ass
Whoever added this: "When he saw his own image engulfed in flames the child was traumatized. The impact on his life, including his participation in the ceremonial life of the community, was very negative." Where are your sources??— —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.123.79.69 (talk) 12:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced. Removed
"When the child viewed this video on television, he did so from the perspective of his cultural heritage which includes the belief in what modern Westerners call sympathetic magic. When he saw his own image engulfed in flames the child was traumatized. The impact on his life, including his participation in the ceremonial life of the community, was very negative."

When you put up the source of this, you can add it back into the article. Until then, it stays off as it's WP:NPOV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.82.51.244 (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

2010 - Sonisphere
The page says: "On August 1, 2010; the band played the sold out music festival Sonisphere, which marked their first UK performance since the tour for their Love album." This is not true, they had loads of tours and festival appearances in the interveneing period —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.28.205.117 (talk) 21:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess that they could have meant the LoveLive tour in 2009, but it's not very clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.85.126 (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Photos
I contributed some photos I took at a recent live concert to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Cult. If any are decent enough, feel free to use them to illustrate the article. I'd do it myself, but I'm not the best judge of my own work. None of them are amazing shots; it was just me & my Powershot shooting from the audience, but a few of them turned out well enough. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * Reference needs to be replaced. Karst (talk) 14:13, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Grant Fitzpatrick
There have been a number of reverts on the issue of him being a touring member only. He is currently listed as a full member. I suppose there perhaps is an argument for only listing Duffy and Astbury as members as the rest generally appear to be hired hands. Best to reach consensus on that one first rather then reverting. Karst (talk) 15:07, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Partial revert of your WP:BOLD edits per WP:BRD and WP:RED to prior consensus. Has been abiguous and tagged as such since Nov 2015 -additional WP:CITENEED or Template:Better source tagging might be in order.  Agreed that this should be resolved, but needs a RS.  UW Dawgs (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Reverting to current and stable (6+ mo) consensus (consistent with your own prior edit is not vandalism. There is probably enough RS info to create stubs for Fitzpatrick and Fox. The original Fox article combined a film producer and the musician in error.  Seems like a DAB, but the film producer is now a redirect and possibly fails WP:GNG. UW Dawgs (talk) 15:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I reverted your changes not only because Grant Fitzpatrick doesn't have a Wikipedia page, but because the Damon Fox article redirected to some film clearly isn't the Damon Fox from The Cult. Just because an article doesn't exist doesn't mean it should be linked. MetalDiablo666 (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Read WP:REDLINK. Yes, of course -exactly as I noted above.  I updated 2 of 3 links to Damon Fox, but missed one.  All three should point to the musician, obviously. Am working on that cleanup right now. UW Dawgs (talk) 16:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Resolved. New stubs for Grant Fitzpatrick and Damon Fox (musician), new DAB at Damon Fox, and new citation at Damon Fox (film). UW Dawgs (talk) 17:10, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

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