Talk:The Dark Phoenix Saga

Kirk Busiek edit
I've revised the account of how the return of Jean came about, since the account as it stood was highly inaccurate. I was not a freelance writer when I came up with the idea that was ultimately used to revive Jean Grey, and Carol Kalish was not yet even working at Marvel, much less VP of New Project Development, a position she didn't reach until the 1990s. Carol was also not involved in Marvel's actually doing the story -- the idea traveled from me to Roger Stern to John Byrne to Bob Layton. I've reworked the chain of events to reflect what actually happened.

Also, a more minor change -- John Byrne didn't redraw FF #286. The reworked pages are by Jackson Guice.

For an account of these events published by Marvel and vetted by Stern and Byrne, see the introduction to the X-Men: Phoenix Rising TPB, which reprinted the crossover that brought Jean back to life.

I've never revised a Wikipedia article before, so I don't know the protocols -- but I figure that as a participant in the events, I'm a better source than whoever wrote the earlier version.

-- kurt busiek


 * well, no amount of fan speculation and conjecture can beat a first-person account of the goings-on at Marvel at the time. Thank you, mr. busiek! -65.92.78.177

A small point of contention, though--Phoenix never spoke about leaving the crystal in a sun. After healing the M'Kraan, she and the rest of the X-Men reappeared through the stargate to face a surprisingly calm Firelord. No mention of a star. Matter of fact, no mention of the Phoenix Force "choosing" to keep Jean as a host; the Phoenix Force itself wasn't really even given much of an independent consiousness until much later.


 * The section on Kurt Busiek's Jean Grey storyline is plagiarized directly from the source. WP:COPYPASTE Ceaseless (talk) 02:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Creation of a new page, focusing on the Dark Phoenix character by an expert
An expert or a X-Men/Dark Phoenix fan should create an article which focus on the Dark Phoenix character with the intention of exclude it from this article, so that Dark Phoenix initiate fans like me can know more about her. Thank you for your attention. Lord Hammu talk


 * Phoenix (comics) is currently an article on the Phoenix Force itself. User talk:Anarkeya 7/23/06


 * Removed graffiti/vandalism added to the statement "Jean's body lying in suspended animation at the bottom of Jamaica Bay after a rousing session of the buttsecks". Jean was not a sodomist.  Jean was psychic 13:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Sequels section
The last paragraph of this section is a disaster, riddled with poor grammar and worse spelling. I don't recall the details of the story line well enough to fix it; is there an X-Men expert out there who can repair it? It's the only bad section of an otherwise well-written article. --DrGaellon 23:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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Original Research?
"There are constant hints in 'Astonishing X-Men' that Jean Grey could return. Several times she has already been mentioned by Emma Frost."

I haven't read much of Astonishing, but just because a dead character is referenced, even multiple times, does not lead to hinting at a return. Gwen Stacy and Karen Page are mentioned often in Spider-Man and Daredevil books, but that doesn't mean they will return. Someone more familiar with Astonishing should either clarify this statement further or remove it as original research. 68.253.55.39 20:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Necrom/Necron; Extra Space Before Comma
Is it “Necrom” or “Necron”? I see both in the article.

The use of three apostrophes, a space, two apostrophes, the title, two apostrophes, a space, and three apostrophes to make the title bold and italic (for example “Years later, in the mini-series,  The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix , Jean Grey...”) adds a space between the end of the title and the comma. Is there another way to make the title both bold and italic without adding the extra space? Felicity4711 (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * Done - it needs a lot more references and could do with a trim to reduce the amount of plot (as Warsong and Endsong have their own articles I'm sure that section can be tightened up for starters).

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Saga / sequels
The article seems to contain far more about the sequels than about the original saga itself. That isn't right, surely ? -- Beardo (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * While I've gone and cut a lot of stuff from the "sequels" section which has nothing at all to do with Phoenix, it's since struck me that the problem is a lot bigger than the section being bloated. Namely, none of the story arcs listed are actual sequels (and ironically, the only actual sequel to "The Dark Phoenix Saga", "From the Ashes", isn't even mentioned). It's just a synopsis of stories involving the Phoenix Force, and since the Phoenix Force has an article of its own, this is not only out-of-place here, it's totally redundant.
 * So I'm now proposing that we delete everything that's currently in the "sequels" section and replace it with a brief synopsis of "From the Ashes". Thoughts? (Since this talk page clearly doesn't get much activity - the last post is from over four years ago - I'll just go ahead and make the edit if there's no reply in the next week.)--NukeofEarl (talk) 12:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Make it so. Ckruschke (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
 * Alright, done!--NukeofEarl (talk) 22:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)