Talk:The Devil Wears Prada (band)/Archive 1

Deletion
Why has it been deleted? Why does no one discuss it here first? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tux86 (talk • contribs)

the reason states that they were "non-notable"? how are they non-notable? everyone knows about them around here, they are a legend — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.127.122 (talk • contribs)


 * They are notable enough. They've met Wikipedia's requirements. It's probably just some sad disgruntled metal fan/fans that believe The Devil Wears Prada isn't a Christian band. Guess the quotes in the page are the reason for this. I wouldn't worry too much about it. IronCrow 07:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you an idiot? I am fully aware that they're a Christian band, I fail to see how this affects their "legend" status. Any fuckhead could see the word is used far too lightly!

Whoever removed their reference for being a Christian band needs to put it bakc up and stop deceiving people!!!!! User: korsyka777

Not a legend. I could care less if they're Christian, mostly because it is the biggest sham in the history of civilization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.153.224.18 (talk) 04:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

honestly, who cares what genre they are? but could someone please amend the comment that they are playing at soundwave this year, as they pulled out on us (now all us aussies hate them! but not their music) and The Creepshow is now playing instead. thanks (: --Samielsie (talk) 04:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

DRV and restoration
Consensus at the DRV was that an assertion of notability could probably be made. Per the DRV nominator's suggestion, I've restored the previous version from May 3 as a starting point; those who work on the article, please make sure to include an assertion of the band's notability. Krimpet (talk) 00:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, per the deletion review, please add additional reliable sources corroborating the band's notability. At the moment, the only sources are Purevolume, Myspace, and other primary/non-independent sources. Secondary sources, such as media mentions, would make the article much stronger. -- Kinu t /c  06:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Dogs Can Grow Beards All Over
Dogs Can Grow Beards All Over is not a real music video, thats advertisement for their cd, it needs to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Underoathfan90 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

it was a music video wasn't it? because they have a video to the music they have made? not meaning to be rude, but doesnt that make it a music video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefasiah (talk • contribs) 04:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Quotes have been sabotaged.
yeah, just read them. they've been sabotaged. I read them before, that's not what they said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acid 1 (talk • contribs) 06:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The quotes have been sabotaged. EDIT
Thank goodness for reverting and copies of old edits. Changed back to normal. 'MuthaChuck' would be the culprit.

Unnesecary additions
"PEOPLE NEED TO LEARDN NOT TO ADD THINGS ! THAT MAKESME MADDDD SERIOUSLY LET THE WEBSITE MAKERS PICK WHATS ON THIS." was added to the albums section... BLAH THIS BAND IS AWESOME! This thing dissapoints me, and it has been removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.229.7 (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Genre
Please do not list "Alternative CCM" as a genre. It is not a genre related to the band, as it does not encompass hardcore/metalcore bands. Please refer to the Alternative CCM article for further reference. It's basically the same as listing "Christian rock" on every Christian rock band's page, when their styles could be "Pop Punk" or "Deathcore." IronCrow (talk) 01:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also to note: I don't think anyone minds Hardcore as another genre, except that it is kind of broad. IronCrow (talk) 16:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, TDWP is certainly not deathcore like JFAC. That's why I keep changing it to hardcore. Check the sources, Mike Hranica cites This is Hell as a big inspiration. Clearly this influence would carry over into a more hardcore sounding album as opposed to JFAC. JFAC (being deathcore) cites bands like Cattle Decapitation and Decapitated as influences. TDWP does not cite them as influences; therefore, TDWP is more hardcore than deathcore.

I'll just remove the unsourced genres altogether.Inhumer (talk) 19:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Good plan, thank you for doing that!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.208.54 (talk) 00:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I stated deathcore because there are obvious Deathcore influences in the band's instrumental work. Vocals are a completely different story. Regardless of what the band cites as an influence, it doesn't mean the band will sound like it. For instance, Demon Hunter cites Pantera, theya ren't very much alike. IronCrow (talk) 05:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to add, for the records. I had listend to JFAC (new album) and then, later found TDWP. I must say I was shocked at how much they sounded alike. All I'm trying to say is, as IronCrow has stated, is no matter what a band states they are as a genre, it may not be right on what they say. Acid 1 (talk) 07:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, TDWP's "Dear Love" album is what reminded me of Job For a Cowboy, though the newest album doesn't. IronCrow (talk) 23:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I think deathcore should be listed as a genre as TDWP sounds very similar to At The Throne of Judgment, who is listed as deathcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.23.231 (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe so as well, but I won't put it up because it keeps getting reverted. IronCrow (talk) 02:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC) WHO THE HELL KEEPS PUTTING SCREAMO??????????? THEY ARE IN NO WAY SCREAMO> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.23.231 (talk) 01:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoever put death metal, hmmmm, nope!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.176.245 (talk) 23:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Who in the hell put Jungle with a link that goes to geographical Jungle??? 20:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yet Inue (talk • contribs)


 * Someone stuck up metalcore as the genre and decided to be a one man consensus... You guys settle that. ¤IrønCrøw¤ (Speak to Me) 04:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I moved the ref to the intro. ¤IrønCrøw¤ (Speak to Me) 20:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I think they are more hardcore than they are "post-hardcore". Even their official Myspace says "hardcore". NewYorkStyledCheesecakes (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

ok who's idea to put emo on there genre and post-hardcore. There sound sounds to much like metalcore with a littele deathcore mixed with it cause some breakdowns sounds like something from Suicide Silence (Haloblade345 (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC))

I'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to post this but it says on the page to discuss it here. Why can't Christian be used instead of American? Everywhere I see they're listed as Christian Metalcore. They're lyrics are religious most of the time and they talk about God when they perform. (Look at the lyrics for Rosemary Had An Accident if you don't believe me.) I'm just wondering so don't flip out on me. XD (Tham22 (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC))

The reason this whole genre issue is such a problem across wikipedia is not that it's actually difficult issue: but rather people approach it the wrong way. They start talking about their own opinion and arguing about that. As with everything here, it's actually very simple: we go by the sources. I'll go have a quick look at the ones I know of, and come back here with what they say. Then we include that, regardless of anyone's personal opinion. Prophaniti (talk) 09:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Right, having looked, not much came up: almost all my usual sources didn't have any info on the band at all, so for the most part they seem too obscure. In the end, I was forced to turn to allmusic. An atrocious source, but with nothing else available there's little choice. It listed "Heavy metal" and "Alternative CCM" as their genres, and also said they are a "Christian metalcore act".
 * So, the lead should really go with this, and say "Christian metalcore". As for the infobox, that's a bit more tricky. We should have "metalcore", but as well as this there's also argument for "alternative ccm", "heavy metal" and "christian metal". Personally? I'd go with "metalcore" and "christian metal", as this seems to perfectly cover heavy metal and alternative ccm anyway. Metal + Christian = Christian metal, and the allmusic page itself says they're metalcore. If folks disagree with this, here's the place to discuss it. Prophaniti (talk) 09:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree. (98.111.53.182 (talk) 02:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC))
 * Although not initially involved in this discussion, it seems logical that Christian Metalcore is an acceptable descriptor, just like Christian Pop, Christian Rap, etc. It seems since no one has voiced an reason for removing the Christian descriptor, it ought to stay.  Nicktfx (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.punkbands.com/interviews/280/ The guys from devil wears prada in an interview.  Their shrugoff christianity attitude does not give them claim to a Christian genre. Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. KJV  Kyle van der Meer (talk) 16:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Kyle, that verse is very true, and i actually am getting Matthew 7:18 tattooed on my arm because it has meant so much in my life. But you have to be aware that in using that verse you are not judging the members of the band. Do you know them personally? does it matter how they act? From what i have seen and heard of the band members of TDWP, they are devoted christians that love god and want to do his works, they have fun whilst doing this, and god wants us to serve him, and if we enjoy that, then isnt that the ultimate goal. so i cant see that being a bad thing. Also i strongly protest against the bible being used to bring people down, would you like it if your christianity was contested by a complete random person? if you were friends with the band you might have the influence to encourage them to change there ways (if they were doing the wrong things) but when your a stranger i believe that your words can tear down peoples motivation. The bible is not a weapon. It is more important to encourage people to walk on the straight path, this inturn will motivate them to continue to follow god whole heartedly.

iCheets (talk) 23:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, a quick address of the questions about me and the the bible 2 Timothy 3:16
 * 1 Peter 3:15 Let a random person contest my Christianity, I'll give an answer to what I believe.
 * Hebrews 4:12 The bible is a weapon, but this is a petty dispute Romans 14:13 I'm not trying to attack them, I just don't see evidence.
 * Which leads me to the main point. Here is the point of this discussion, there is not a solid source saying they are Christian, that they are witnessing, and that their band is a source of Light to a Dark world.  As per wiki guidelines(I don't have the link), there needs to be a source.  Bring it forth, post it in the talk page, and give substantiation to your claims.  Also, if they are such a Christian band, why don't they get on here and say it?
 * I am not trying to attack them, I'm just saying, "Where's the cream filling?". Kyle van der Meer (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing those verses out, i am yet to grasp alot of messages in the bible. thankyou for showing me those. i dont think they really care much about wikipedia, probably don't have the time hey. but it would be re-assuring for them to come out and say it a bit better, i do have a youtube video in mind, where the guitarist does talk about them being christian. and my mate "trey" from america grew up in church with them. But you have some very valid points, hopefully they will cream fill it for yah, and the rest of us.--iCheets (talk) 23:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If ya got a link for that youtube video, that'd be great, think it would qualify wiki. Kyle van der Meer (talk) 14:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Would a link to allmusic showing that one of their albums charted on a Christian chart work? The Weak Willed 04:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, don't think that would work. Christian bands have had albums on secular charts, but it doesn't make them secular Kyle van der Meer (talk) 23:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Kyle, one of your earlier edits was that http://www.punkbands.com/interviews/280/ states they are not Christian. That is untrue. They state that they did not intend to be a Christian group until Mike was added as vocalist, which was before their first album, and when he was added they decided to be Christian and changed the lyrics of their music accordingly. Please do not put words in their mouths. And I'm not sure what you meant by "Christian attitude" earlier. That means nothing. Not sure why I made this edit, I quit Wikipedia, but I just thought it was hilarious. Well, back to life. ¤IrønCrøw¤ (Speak to Me) 20:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I will find it within the week, the guitarist just shares the fact taht they believe in god and stuff like that. iCheets (talk) 05:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Members
On their MySpace page, TDWP states they are writing and recording a new album. There are pictures of vocalist Mike Hranica recording with a guitar, so I shall edit the members section to state that Hranica contributes guitar to the group. Sparkplugz (talk) 04:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Deathcore
like i mean for real, does anyone thin that they are a deathcore band because they always end up confusing me when it comes to their genre. I mean they are obviously metalcore or deathcore. Just trying to figure out which genre they have more in common with —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.79.244 (talk) 06:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Metalcore + death metal = deathcore. The Devil Wears Prada maintains every single metalcore asspect there is, but not one death metal element, so in short, they are in no way deathcore. • GunMetal Angel  21:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, but if you find a reliable source saying they are deathcore... The Weak Willed 04:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Which would be sheer impossible, I will laugh for 10 years at whoever calls The Devil Wears Prada a deathcore band, and whoever would definately isn't a reliable source. • GunMetal Angel  20:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Take it more or less this way; The Devil Wears Prada is a metal band, (metalcore to be exact) and well, their general style has the influences of extreme metal styles such as black metal (fast tempos, blast beat drumming, and intense screamed vocals) and death metal (rough riffs and growled vocals) but combined with melodic build-ups and breakdowns and background effects, tempo changes, and singing vocals (by rhythm guitarist Jeremy DePoyster) there's not enough death metal-influence for them to exactly be called deathcore. I mean, in short to describe deathcore would be much more extreme metal than any other music genre that metalcore combines, I mean melodic openings, endings or breakdowns, and occasional singing vocals that are present within the general metalcore genre strongly differs from deathcore which could be most notable in this case that has heavy breakdowns (maybe melodic at times) rougher riffs, faster drumming and plus in that which kind of charges into aggressiveness much more than your typical metalcore has its obvious difference here ( see also: Suicide Silence, Despised Icon to set solid examples). So there you go; it's simple, TDWP are a metalcore band. -- GunMetal Angel  20:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Image
I prefer the one of mike so much better, its more recent, so can we get a better all band photo, or put the one with just mike back up —Preceding unsigned comment added by ICheets (talk • contribs) 00:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not encyclopedic, I mean seriously, one of six members of something this article is about with his hand covering half of his face doesn't work, the image that is already in the userbox is just fine, a nice angle while clearly dipicting three of the six members performing at a festival. • GunMetal Angel  23:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Record label
Ok, are these guys on both Rise Records and Ferret Music or only Ferret? The main reason I'm not sure is because on Rise Records' band page TDWP still appears. However, other former bands (such as Fear Before) do not appear. Other "former" bands, such as Breathe Carolina and Drop Dead, Gorgeous, also appear. Is this simply stating that they're still friends or what? Krazycev13 (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it is that Rise still owns the rights to albums like "Plagues." The re-release of "Plagues" was still on Rise even though they were already on Ferret Records. Plague was a huge album so Rise is probably trying to "Milk the Golden Cow" by leaving them on the web page. Korsyka7

Adding Christianity to their band heading
The Devil Wears Prada is clearly a Christian metalcore band even if the genre is not labeld "Christian Metalcore." Their Christianity is displayed at every show and the lead singer, Mike Hranica mentions Jesus at every show. The Devil Wears Prada mention Jesus whether the concert is through a secular organization (Warped Tour) or a Christian Venue and to remove that from their description is misleading and simply untrue. Also, the citation referenced in this article refers to them as a Christian Metalcore band so put it back up. See reference {2} —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korsyka777 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but there's not any reason to have it said in the lead as to which Underoath and Flyleaf don't have it in the first sentence on their articles. • GunMetal Angel  19:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

There is a reason to have it in the lead, it belongs there plain and simple. It is what they are and it should be in the lead of Underoath as well. If the references being cited have it in the lead than for purposes of accuracy and conformity, it should be there. Korsyka777 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korsyka777 (talk • contribs) 05:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Umm, no it shouldn't. Having something stated that's it's Christian in the first sentence is more of showing that the whole band (or thing, whatever the article is concerning) is would make it seem like it's whole purpose would be all just made for the Christian beliefs; songs by The Devil Wears Prada never concern God or Jesus or almost any factor written in the Bible, most of the things that they write and talk about in general is the condition of the world, romance, tragedy and betrayal, and just that is not even the reason why every other Christian band's article doesn't have Chrstian stated in the lead sentence of the article. Back to the the Devil Wears Prada's concern; to end this statement I would like you to see this• GunMetal Angel  20:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Gunmetal Angel, I fail to see how that article solidifies your point. Putting Christian in the heading would not create the inference that the entire article is about Christianity or a Christian related topic, but rather would classify them. The entire band is a Christian band. I do not see how accurately describing them according to the citations is inappropriate or scholastically incorrect. Furthermore, what about "Hey John, What's Your Name" and "HTML ROOLZ Dude?" TDWP is clearly a Christian band and at EVERY show they clearly state that "as long as they are doing this (music) they will be doing it for Jesus." But besides the point, even if it is not in the heading (which, based on the current citations it should be) there is absolutely no reference to their Christian faith whatsoever. Finally every member of the band is Christian and are open about their faith. Perhaps I will supplement this with some of the interviews from March in "Outburn" and "AMP" where they mention their faith, but I only have the hard copies. (BTW, they are both secular magazines). I do not see what the big deal is about putting references to their Christianity in the heading or at the very least, in the body of the article seeing as how it is the truth. Respectfully submitted. Korsyka777 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korsyka777 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "Hey John Whats Your Name" and "HTML ROOLZ Dude?"??? I believe the song titles you meant were "Hey John, What's Your Name Again?" and "HTML Rulez d00d". Furthermore onto this debate; adding "Christian" to the lead doesn't prove anything, if you're having so much proof knowing that they're a Christian band, it's not at all notable in the lead since you're saying every show that they attend they say that they're all in the Christian beliefs... ect., I'm sure it would be obvious towards anyone who visits this article. And furthmore; stating that they're a Christian band directly in the lead just makes the whole article seem low quality as to which and why every other Christian band shown on Wikipedia does not have their lead as this for numerous reasons having something like "Oh, they're an American Christian metalcore band from Dayton, lol" may be one of the reasons why. I'm not entirely against this, having this stated in another sentence, such as the first sentence of the first section (or even in the lead for that matter if you can make it crafty enough) can be acceptable. -- GunMetal Angel  16:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Points duly noted. I wouldn't have a problem with it being mentioned other than right before their genre so long as it mentioned. Korsyka777 (talk) 17:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. And by "crafty enough" I meant generally encyclopedic, such as for example: Underoath have it stated that they're all Christians in the fourth sentence or so in the lead, NOT that they're an "American Christian metalcore band". I'll try to put a fair statement that TDWP is a Christian band on this article. -- GunMetal Angel  14:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * How's this? - GunMetal Angel  14:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

That is fine. Nicely done!!! Korsyka777 (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your professionalism Gun Metal. Korsyka777 (talk) 02:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Now for beating a dead horse. I see from the many comments in this discussion that it can be concluded that the members of the band express Christian beliefs/values at the band's concerts.  This is all well and good, but logically, does this make the band Christian?  To answer this question we look at the image the band as a collective portrays for itself.  When discussing the band, we find that they do not call themselves Christian.  However, when we discuss the members, they do call themselves Christian. This portrayal should be noted.  As having members that are Christian is not the equivalent of having a band that is Christian. An example:  Casting Crowns is named as a Christian Band, they openly state their band is Christian.  Evanescence on the other hand had a Christian band member, and at times performed with the vocalist from 12 Stones.  This did not make the band Christian (I have no clue whether or not in their concerts they expressed Christian opinion.) And finally, when the Christian member left the band, the band in turn declared itself non-Christian. Furthermore, a suggestion could then be raised that the article include said argument.  Something along the lines that, "The band is known to have Christian members and hold Christian values, but does not express itself as a Christian band."  This is an off the cuff write-up, but certainly you cans see the point I am making.  In conclusion, maybe the statement, "They are a Christian band" should be refined to, "The band has Christian members, who often express their beliefs in concert".  Wiki is trying for accuracy and refinement in its articles.  This final statement would appear to be the most accurate and refined. I won't change it at the moment, but will wait for further feedback.  Also, congrats for the most civilized wiki discussion I've seen. Kyle van der Meer (talk) 03:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * They are a Christian band and have stated this numerous times, even on their web site and MySpace profile they state themselves directly as a Christian band, I think I'm getting the idea that you're denying this, as if you don't want to admit it. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't mean to be rude or anything, it's just an outgoing thought. • GunMetal Angel  03:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, you're probably correct, I don't really see evidence myself so I don't want to admit it. And you're not being rude, you're pointing out an obvious fact.  As I didn't take any action on the previous post, I did not feel where I was coming from was a strong enough case to change the actual document.  I did check the myspace profile, which is their website, and when viewing the source, found that they list themselves as, "Hardcore / Metal / Christian".  I couldn't see this in the profile before, or even now unless I view source.  But it is enough. Thank-you for pointing out the myspace thing though, even though it is hard to find, it does state it.  As a side note, Guess I was just personally looking for proof. And if you're a Christian, pointing out when a brother is mistaken is biblical, Thank-you Kyle van der Meer (talk) 04:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Their MySpace profile isn't their "website" - TDWP's actual website is tdwpband.com. -- GunMetal Angel  15:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * To say that "The band is known to have Christian members and hold Christian values, but does not express itself as a Christian band" is false. If you read the blogs on their Myspace, they expilcitly declare themselves to be Christian.  Consider this quote from Jeremy on April 19, 2006:
 * First of all, this band is made up of six Christians. We've all accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as our saviors, and lead our lives based on that relationship with God. That being said, it is obviously going to have an impact on the music we make. We're not about disrespecting anybody or shoving our beliefs down anyone's throat, but we're also not going to deny the one thing we believe as the ultimate truth....We are not ashamed to say that we're a Christian band. Every effort we make is for one reason, and one reason alone: our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. We support many bands with many different goals, but we feel that this is what God has called each of us to do. I don't expect everyone to agree with that, and that's fine, but I like to think of I Corinthians 10:31 "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." (Emphasis added)
 * Therefore, if it is permissible for Christian bands to have their opening sentence in a Wiki article (as I've seen other bands do: Beloved, Haste The Day, Becoming The Archetype, Before Their Eyes, Cry Of The Afflicted, etc.), I propose to either add it to this band in the opening sentence, or change it on those. -- LinuxFetus (talk) 16:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't say that I'd read that far back in their blog - looks like plenty solid evidence to me. Kyle van der Meer (talk) 12:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Band of the Year award and new record label
Can someone add that they have been signed to Warner Brothers Records and that they were named Alternative Press (AP) Magazine Band of the Year? Korsyka777 (talk) 20:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Not without a source. Where did you hear that they were on Warner Bros.? And if you have the Alternative Press issue where they state that, use the cite book template and enter all of the relevant information. If you post the source here, I will gladly add it. -- ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  18:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Self published sources?
Could someone kindly point them out to me? If not, I will remove the banner on this article.GaudiumInVeritate (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Also... unless anyone has any objections, I'd like to replace the current main picture with another one that include the entire band. Possibly this? Anything besides the current. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GaudiumInVeritate (talk • contribs) 21:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No promotional photos they're against copyrights. • GunMetal Angel  23:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Well then get a picture of the entire band that isn't promotional, jesus christ. GaudiumInVeritate (talk) 01:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

so I was thinking, how about this as a new picture? GaudiumInVeritate (talk) 17:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Clean up!
This page is littered with grammatical errors, most notably the second paragraph of the Biography section. Whoever added to that section kept switching tenses repeatedly, and it makes the whole section quite a challenge to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.179.68.149 (talk) 16:11, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅, hope it helped! • GunMetal Angel  21:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
The forum on the band's official website is subscription based requiring people to pay money to join. Not only is this extremely weird, but it contradicts what their name apparently stands for. I think this should be noted somewhere under the band name section. http://www.tdwpband.com/forum (Jacob.Prinkey (talk) 23:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC))

Please explain
Anybody know why one of the songs is called "HTML Rulez D00d"? I just wonder, that is a really weird name for a song by a supposedly Christian band. Searching Google was pointless... All I found was links to lyrics and one Yahoo Answer telling the name was meaningless as all others. --HTMLCODER.exe (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you didn't notice almost all of their songs have funny song titles that have no meaning behind any of them. The title for "HTML Rulez D00d" itself is just a play on typical Internet slang phrases, it would be no different if it was named "lol pwnin n00bs a11 d4y, w00t!". • GunMetal Angel  23:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Still, it's kinda funny xD --HTMLCODER.exe (talk) 15:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the point, haha. • GunMetal Angel  17:19, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Warner Music Group label
Wouldn't it make more sense to have them listed under "Ferret"? The fact that Ferret is owned by Warner seems tangential and unrelated to this The Devil Wears Prada entry. Their Myspace has them listed as being signed to Ferret and Ferret has them listed as one of their artists. Regardless, it's confusing to have Warner and Ferret listed as separate labels under the "Background Information" section of this article. -- LinuxFetus (talk) 16:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 63.116.153.127, 10 May 2011
The Devil Wears Prada is on Ferret Music, not Warner Music.

You can email me at Say hi!  02:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC) > if you'd like to confirm

63.116.153.127 (talk) 21:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but could you provide an online source, please? We cannot cite your email as a reliable source because we will be unable to link to it. ~  Matthewrbowker   Say hi!  02:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

what more do you need except they are listed on the Ferret Music site and not on Warner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.153.127 (talk) 20:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be perfect! Can you give me a link to that website? ~  Matthewrbowker   Say hi!  02:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Yesterday they posted a new song titled "Born to Lose" from the upcoming album as well as gave the release date for the album, which is September 13th. Isn't this worth posting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.52.39.91 (talk) 22:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

The Dead Throne album release date,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09r5onkuAts&feature=feedu

They said it live at Warped Tour 2011, September 13th 2011.

If anyone could change that for the MAIN page of the Wiki, that would be awesome, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueshark9 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? It already says it's scheduled for September 13 on the article. Also, the name of the album isn't "THE Dead Throne" • GunMetal Angel  00:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

New album
Alright guys, here's the official laydown for TiDWoP's forthcoming fourth full-length studio album. Lay all your souces, info and anything else you may have for it so we can eventually get an article going. Here's what I got so far: Prada updated a source via their site explaining that A Day to Remember's Jeremy McKinnon will be in co-production of the vocal tracks for the record. On that source, Hranica explained that they're "a long ways away" so a late 2011 release or at least (and hopefully) by the 3rd quarter of 2011 will we see this album surfacing, but that's simply my prediction. That's all the info I could find. If anyone has any knowing of the album at all, please let in your knowledge below so we may get all the info we can conductive to starting a page for another great work from this band. =) • GunMetal Angel  09:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Here is a recent Q&A with them about their new album. http://www.rocksound.tv/features/article/studio-qa-the-devil-wears-prada it should be release late summer/early fall. The first track name released is Untidaled. The title track, which will most likly be the album opener, is two minutes, and has no lyrics. Your welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SJZ44474 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The album title of their new album has been confirmed to be "Dead Throne," via their latest video update. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEHrSSh2mbs&feature=player_embedded — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.52.39.91 (talk) 21:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

They just released the album art today via a YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtV10hl6MWc 69.233.2.94 (talk) 06:17, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

This edit regarding "Christian" in the infobox
I honestly know little about metal music or this band, but in the course of reviewing unconfirmed edits I ran across this one and I saw nothing in the article or talk page to make me think that Christian metal was a wholly inappropriate addition to the infobox. Therefore, I fixed the link but did not revert. If (i) there really is a reason to do so (I'm not disputing, and reading Talk more closely I can see that some feel the band, but not their genre, is Christian), and (ii) if this edit does in fact get made repeatedly, then I respectfully suggest that you briefly discuss (justify) here and then mention the discussion in a hidden text comment ( "" ) in the infobox proper (or at the top of the page). Otherwise, the shouting in the edit summary just seems uncalled for (since the person you're shouting at might be a newcomer - like me). -- Scray (talk) 04:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It was nothing against you. I mean if anything I was talking to the IP adress, not you. Ya see; genre additions and changes are considered highly disruptive (take a look at this for more info) and in the case of TDWP, there has been a concesus of what genre they were which backs this up Nth degree, sure I may of forgotten to add a little clarity to everyone (nothing a little hidden comment on the page can't help) but there's certainly this tension between so many editors randomly vandalizing the page in this manor and it gets tiresome after a while, ya know? And I'll say it a second time; I wasn't targetting you with the comment. • GunMetal Angel  06:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am also a little puzzled by portions of this edit, where you appear to refactor other editors' Talk page posts, in violation of WP guidance.  Am I missing something?  -- Scray (talk) 12:03, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, but if you have to know; what I did there was simply clean-up. All I did was lowercase the title of a section. As for removing one of the comments, that was done because the same user posted the exact same thing just minutes after under another section of which I also assited in cleaning-up by creating. Cleaning-up doesn't violate guidelines. • GunMetal Angel  12:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * you also changed "knows" to "know". Quoting the first paragraph of the guidance I cited above:
 * "It is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct typing/spelling errors, grammar, etc. It tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. The basic rule – with some specific exceptions outlined below – is, that you should not strike out or delete the comments of other editors without their permission."
 * Hope this helps. -- Scray (talk) 13:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I did nothing more than remove one letter to improve the quality upon subject while I was doing necessary fixes on the way down. Might I also add that all it says is it is not nessesary, not to not do it in the guideline. I guess just sorry you find such a big deal out of this. • GunMetal Angel  14:20, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

"The Devil Wears Prada is a Christian band... all of whom are Christians" I'm not denying they are a christuian band, but must we beat people in the head about it? it sounds like someone wanted to go way out of their way to make sure it was mentioned about 1000 times too many. Can someone cut the redundancy bias? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.226.193 (talk) 01:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That's what I was thinking, but this band sure loves their religion and several people in the consensus have agreed that they should be refereed to as a Christian band in at least the following sentence. Hell, I was having issues where people were calling them "A Christian metalcore band" usually replacing the "American" in the lead and just sounding goofy. • GunMetal Angel  06:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from XFEARmeREPTARx, 24 September 2011
Hello, the page for the band The Devil Wears Prada, needs to be edited about the information on how many music videos they have released. They now have six because they have just released a music video for their new hit single, "Born to Lose". Under the Videography must have Born to Lose. Thank you.

XFEARmeREPTARx (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Added by someone else now. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 23:02, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 163.150.228.200, 29 September 2011
Hello, i ask kindly to please edit the biography for the band The Devil Wears Prada, because they now have six music videos, they have just releassed a new one for their hit single off the album Dead Throne and must be changed to six music videos. On the biography it only shows that they have five music videos when they have six. Thank You for reading my request.

XFEARmeREPTARx (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Added by someone else now --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Former members (if there are any)
I recently went hunting for former members, and found a fellow by the name of Ziggy "Trick Daddy" Jerome [1 ]. I added this to the page, but it was deleted. I was wondering if, since I have a source, if it should be added.-- Krazycev   13  15:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * TDWP never had a bassist named Ziggy "Trick Daddy" Jerome. Chris Rubey even said: "the ONLY people that have ever been anywhere close to in the band are as follows, anyone else is lying. Before we ever even played a show, we had a bassist named Derek, and a vocalist named Evan. A fellow named Jake filled in for us on bass at our first show, and when I had my appendix removed our friend Luke filled in for me. THAT IS IT, END OF STORY! ;)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.43.206 (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I guess that does it... Allmusic doesn't even have a "former members" section for that matter and most of the band line-ups shown on that site are awful, I mean look at Aerosmith's biography. -- GunMetal Angel  20:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * That's untrue they a few months before they got signed and their drummer was not Danny it was a guy named by the name of Josh Laurent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunigan23 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Source for that? • GunMetal Angel  21:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't have a source from the internet that can be listed. Im from datyon, OH and knew about them before they were signed when they played clubs.  I also know for a fact that on their demo that got them signed that is not Danny drumming it's Josh.  I do wish I could give a online source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunigan23 (talk • contribs) 07:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

If you're still friends with any of the members of the band, you can ask them to post something regarding this person. It would be interesting to most Prada fans too, so everybody wins if someone does this. Although I'm kind of a fan of Daniel Williams; if I do get to meet him someday I'll perhaps ask him of this. • GunMetal Angel  08:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I would like to note that their keyboardist has recently left the band, and while this is correctly indicated throughout the majority of the article, he is still credited as part of the band in the box below the external links section. If someone could remove 'James Baney' from the line-up, it would be much appreciated. Twentysixhours (talk) 18:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * This has nothing to do with this section, but okay ✅ • GunMetal Angel  22:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Vengeance
A video for Vengeance was uploaded to the band's official Facebook that is from their upcoming live DVD/CD. Does anyone else have some more info about this live release? Mes tex (talk) 19:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

It is due to come out June 26th, no word on a title yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.125.56 (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

The Live CD/DVD release will be entitled Dead & Alive. It will feature 15 songs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.125.56 (talk) 00:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

James Baney's Departure
In the section regarding James Baney's departure from the band, it states that he left because of his marriage, and a citation is given. The problem is that the citation given does not say anywhere that he departed because of his wife. In fact, it says "for undisclosed reasons" in the first paragraph of the article. In addition to that, through twitter updates, James has given his side of the story. There are 4 statuses, as follows: 1/4 "While I appreciate the support, one thing should be cleared up. Leaving the band was not actually my decision." 2/4 "The other members extended their prayers to my wife and I, however, she was not a factor in the process at all." 3/4 "I felt it necessary to deliver her from any prejudice surrounding the departure..." 4/4 "...but to also clarify that I have no intentions necessarily of staying home for future work. Thanks again for all the continued support."

And then also an article that speaks of these tweets, as well. I would love to make these changes myself, but the page is semi-protected... Heathersucks (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ The text now reads: "On February 22, 2012 keyboard player James Baney left the band", and the reference remains the same. If you have better phrasing, possibly to include the idea that he felt forced out, feel free to add it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes it does, read the last sentence. " Our prayers to James in beginning a new chapter with his wife back home, and our endless gratitude to TDWP fans for understanding. We’ll see you at a show soon." Reverting back to the old revision now • GunMetal Angel  17:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not confirmation of the phrase. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry let me elaborate. The band is simply wishing Baney well. It does not indicate that he is departing to focus on anything in particular. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No one ever said he wasn't and fans themselves are acknowledging that he left for his wife even before it appeared on Wikipedia. • GunMetal Angel  09:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * But fans are not an official source, nor should they be. We can only go on official sources. Unless the source indicates the phrase it should be removed. In fact, the Tweets are more official than the fans. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Stating that James is "starting a new chapter with his wife" does not confirm that he left the band because of his marriage. his tweets directly contradict that, in fact. I have listed the tweets above; this is irrefutable information from a direct source. This also doesn't change the fact that the source listed for the statement at this time is invalid as it says nothing relating to his marriage at all. Heathersucks (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

James Baney has revealed multiple times via twitter that he was kicked out of the band. Please make that change to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.179.139 (talk • contribs) 22:15 17 June 2012
 * Please provide a few of those tweets. Thanks. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how to link individual tweets, but here's his twitter https://twitter.com/#!/Mirahtrunks, they're near the top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.177.220 (talk) 23:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 October 2012
Hello, on the second or third line of the article of Dear Love:A Beautiful Discord, a few mistakes were made whoever re-edited the line. "The band was unsatified with the demo so they re-recorded all the of the tracks from the demo for their debut full-length album, Dear Love: A Beautiful Discord." The person misspelled unsatisfied and after the word all, the word "the" shouldn't be there because it doesn't make sense. Well, uhm, yeah. That's all.

TDWPrulezd00d11 (talk) 01:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 October 2012
Another thing i'd like to mention is, TDWP's genre is indeed Metalcore, but they are also branched off of Progressive Metal. On the discography in the Genre section, Progressive Metal needs to be there as well along side of Metalcore.

TDWPrulezd00d11 (talk) 01:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not that I disagree, but this article has been locked for two years because editors were adding opinion to the article. If you have a source to support the prog metal genre, that would make it easier to make the change without raising the hackles of the anti-genre-warriors. (see WP:GWAR). --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 March 2013
Hi, there is a problem in the Discography for TDWP's bio stating that they are Melodic Metalcore and Electronicore. The band's actual label is just Metalcore and they even state that their genre is in fact just Metalcore and nothing else.

XFEARmeREPTARx (talk) 18:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll go further, with seven references that claim to support melodic metalcore and one that loosely supports electronicore, the best you could hope is to find references to support plain metalcore and disprove that the eight references don't support what they claim to. 19:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Still, having forum talk pages are not considered credible and there has never been bands considering themselves Melodic Metalcore. That is something that people made up to distinguish more Melodic Metalcore from Metalcore. You don't look at Thrash Metal and find a thrash band with some melody and call it Melodic Thrash Metal. That's preposterous. They are Metalcore as they have Harsh Vocals and all the key characteristics of it. Believe it or not Metalcore has singing in the genre as it has changed a tad bit over the years since the early 2000's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.3.18 (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Fifth Album; 8:18
A page needs to be made for it, it comes out next month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.143.115 (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

xGUMBYx???
I made a typo, and accidentally got taken to xGUMBYx, which redirects here. Anyone care to explain? Cheers -70.54.74.18 (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * According to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XGUMBYx&action=history "xGUMBYx is a side protect of TDWP". --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Should a section be added to this page to account for xGumbyx? And would it qualify for an associated artist? Shepherd of Fire (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

xGUMBYx
xGUMBYx is a side-project of TDWP. If you go to their iTunes page and click more on Biography, it is written at the very bottom, "Hranica and Rubey also have an experimental grindcore side project band called xGUMBYx". Their only releases occured in 2007. If you go to their Myspace and click Music, the date listed is 2007 (The only other song I know of by this project is Mexican Sunrise and its demo quality). This could be added to the end of the Plagues section of TDWP or something.

Gumby.

xGUMBYx is a side-project of TDWP. If you go to their iTunes page and click more on Biography, it is written at the very bottom, "Hranica and Rubey also have an experimental grindcore side project band called xGUMBYx". Their only releases occured in 2007. If you go to their Myspace and click Music, the date listed is 2007 (The only other song I know of by this project is Mexican Sunrise and its demo quality). This could be added to the end of the Plagues section of TDWP or something.

Gumby. Crushcop (talk) 16:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Only if a WP:SECONDARY source can be found to support it. If we added a section for the side project of every band member of every band, we'd have a lot of coverage of non-notable bands. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If it is going to redirect to here, shouldn't there be some sort of explanations for it so it isn't thought of as being a predecessor like Luti-Kriss to Norma Jean? Shepherd of Fire (talk) 03:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, but we can just delete the redirect if it's a problem. We need just one good source source to create a section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * is the last FM considered a good source? Shepherd of Fire (talk) 04:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Depends on the content. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:09, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That was a useless response. It depends on who wrote the content (staff or user) and in what context. A lot of websites use old versions of Wikipedia as their articles. So http://www.last.fm/music/xGUMBYx is not a reliable source since it's editable by anyone. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Accidental blanking
The article appears to be protected right now, so I can't fix it myself. But this edit appears to have accidentally removed a fair amount from the "Band Name" section. --108.35.13.75 (talk) 08:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was accidental. The extended quote wasn't necessary. I've created a section that restores the idea but not the quote. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2014
Under the section titled "==Band name==" please correct spelling on the last word "poesseions".

Gogocons (talk) 07:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

✅ Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 08:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2015
Add to Space EP and future plans (2014–present):

On June 18th, 2015 the band's studio version of "Supernova," a song off their upcoming Space EP, was published by a YouTube channel that promotes upcoming artist releases. The release was the first to include the band's newest addition to their lineup, guitarist Kyle Sipress, who helped with the recording and production of the Space EP in the wake of Rubey's departure.

Maloneybologna (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 20:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, how is the video important? It's usually best if a secondary source is used for this sort of material to help give context to the event. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

New Single released
25th May 2018 - Sour Breath Single released by TDWP 202.55.149.210 (talk) 00:12, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ This is easy enough to add, when a source is provided to support 1) that it was added as a radio single and 2) to which markets it was supplied. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:31, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Chris's baby
Chris Rubey had a daughter, NOT a son. july 8th, 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglasthedog (talk • contribs) 23:44, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Releases new album on October 11 2019
Update the Timeline — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.81.214 (talk) 12:16, 12 October 2019 (UTC)