Talk:The Dubliners

additional disambiguation?
I found myself pulling up this article plus Young Dubliners to figure out if they were the same. There's also Dubliners by james joyce.

So, is the preferred wiki-style to disambiguate 3 entries in a sentence mentioning the other 2, or in a full disambiguation page? I almost feel like sentences are better because one could: - give this entry mention of the rock band Young Dubliners and the Joyce book, - give the young dubliners mention of this band, just because two bands might be confusing but YD isn't ever going to be mistaken for the Joyce book - give the joyce book mention of this, but not YD (same reasoning)

Oh, and just to further muddle the decision, I'll mention that querying 'Dubliner' gets a cheese, a folk band, a rock band, a book, an opera, and a challenge. ArtDent (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

subjective nature
This page suffers from very subjective tones, for instance the bit about "considered as sell out" by who, where is the link to support this?

politics
It would be interesting to know some of the political values of this band, ie veiws on Scottish independence Vs Union...

Can we get rid of the picture with Jimmy Saville?!?

Well Luke Kelly was a Communist (or at least a fellow traveller), and i remember Ronnie saying on the Live In Germany DVD that he shared similar ideas as Luke but that they disagreed over the means to get there. Regarding Scottish Independence, i think their version of Parcel of Rogues kinda sums it up. Does that answer your question? 86.29.225.173 (talk) 14:04, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

one of the oldest bands in music today?
I think that statement needs clarification or removal. Are the members older than most people "in music" (debatable) or has the band been around longer than most bands (also debatable)? I'd change it, but I'm not entirely sure what the original intent was and I'd rather the intent be preserved if it makes sense. Feets 15:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

It does seem a curious assertion, yes. Certainly much of their repertoire, being traditional music, is older than your average rock 'n' roll number. But such is the nature of these things. I second the motion for removal, unless our notably old friends from Dublin are happy for the statement to remain in tact. I'm quite young myself.

The average lifespan of a band is about five years (no I can't prove it). So when a band survives for forty-five years, it's indisputably longer than most bands. Does "Feets" really think the average is around forty years? Ogg 20:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible for me to link my Wikipedia article on O'Donoghue's Pub, which is mentioned in the article on The Dubliners? Any help would be appreciated as this is my first article. Thanks,

Bighead33 16:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Might also make sense to play up the Behan connection a little more. (Jack Haddad 02:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC))

overall refinement needed
this page is in need of some structural improvement. for example, the band members section is getting lob-sided. unless there's an objection, i'll move most of the luke kelly material to his individual page. i'll try and tackle some of the other items too. JXM 22:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

--Also, the writing made my eyes bleed. It could stand to be cleaned up.

missing discs in discography
Why no mention of Milestones from 1995 with contribution from Shane MacGowan? see http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6840388/a/Milestones.htm and http://www.pandora.com/music/album/dubliners/milestones

"Barney McKenna and John Sheahan are the only original members left in the band"
This is untrue: Barney is the only original member, with John Sheahan and Bobby Lynch joining the band for the second album. 86.29.225.173 (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And now Barney has passed away. *sheds a tear* -Popoi (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

General Re-Write Needed
Dropped in to add some citations with the research I had for The Dubliners, however the article itself is poorly written and has very little flow, especially in the founding years and progression. Facts seems to be all over the place, and the article is not written with a neutral tone. Did what I could, but most of the biographical information needs to be rearranged. (HHP2K (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC))

Acting Career
Some mention should probably be made of the fact that The Dubliners occasionally acted as well as sang. I remember seeing them in London in 1972 in the play "Richard's Cork Leg", written by Brendan Behan. See http://www.anglo-iren.de/richard/richard_p.htm for more detail.. Rodparkes (talk) 13:31, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Irish Chart singles section
As this section is marked as to be wikified I was wandering around wikipedia to find internal links.

This is what i could find so far:


 * 1966 Nelson's Farewell (#6) - Song not in en:wikipedia
 * 1967 Black Velvet Band (#4)
 * 1967 All For Me Grog (#10) - Song not in en:wikipedia
 * 1967 Seven Drunken Nights (#1)
 * 1968 Never Wed An Old Man (#11) - Song not in en:wikipedia
 * 1968 Dirty Old Town (#10)
 * 1971 Hand Me Down My Bible (#7) - Song not in en:wikipedia
 * 1971 Free The People (#7) - Song not in en:wikipedia
 * 1986 Raglan Road (#30) - Raglan Road is an disambiguation page. As the other pages lead to the pages about songs I would suppose to change the link to Raglan Road (Irish song). From there Raglan Road is mentioned anyway.
 * 1987 Don't Get Married (#24) - Song not in en:wikipedia
 * 1987 The Irish Rover (#1) - (with The Pogues) should be added.
 * 1990 Jack's Heroes (#4) (with The Pogues)
 * 1991 The Rose (#2) (Including The Hothouse Flowers) - The Hothouse Flowers also have a wikipage that should be linked. The Rose (song) has a wiki page. The Dubliners are not mentioned there as having performed this song but a quick check via YouTube offers that the song is the same.
 * 1994 Red Roses For Me (#13) - Red Roses For Me leads to an album by The Pogues, but there is Red Roses for Me (play) that seems to have a title song with the lyrics (http://celtic-lyrics.com/lyrics/419.html) being the same as the Dubliners sing here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYt2ZOCsN8o . I hesitate to link the entry to the play (as it does not cover the song directly), but improving the play's page could lead to referring The Dubliners having performed the title song.

Any further comments would be much appreciated.

--KaiMichaelPoppe (talk) 08:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Possible error in line-ups table
Under "2012" we have: John Sheahan – fiddle, mandolin, tin whistle, concertina Seán Cannon – vocals, guitar Eamonn Campbell – guitar, mandolin Patsy Watchorn – vocals, banjo, bodhrán, spoons (Gerry O'Connor) – Irish Tenor Banjo, fiddle

and under "2013-" we have: (as "The Dublin Legends") Seán Cannon – vocals, guitar Eamonn Campbell – guitar, mandolin Patsy Watchorn – vocals, banjo, bodhrán, spoons Gerry O'Connor – Irish Tenor Banjo, fiddle

AFAIK the line-up given as being "2012" is the one they've been playing with this year since Barney died, whereas the "Dublin Legends" think is supposed to be starting next year.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying "Shouldn't we change 2012 to read 2013 and 2013- to read 2014-?"

I'm going to make this change. Apologies if I'm mistaken -- a more knowledgeable Dublinologist will doubtless be along to correct me :-) UrsusMaximus (talk) 09:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Fixing the infobox
There seems to have been a bit of confusion about the set-up of the infobox in the time since the formation of "The Dublin Legends" as to whether they should be considered to be the same band as "The Dubliners" or not, and this has led to some contradictions in the infobox on the page.

There will be several differences in the infobox depending on which of the above is considered to be true. They are as follows:


 * 1) If the two bands are separate, the years active section should read "1962-2012". If they are the same, it should read "1962-2012, 2013-present" or something to that effect.
 * 2) If the two bands are separate, all members of The Dubliners should be listed in the "former members" section. If the two bands are the same, Cannon, Campbell, Watchorn, and Gerry O'Connor should be listed in "current members" section in that exact order (Wikipedia's guidelines for the infobox state that musicians should be listed in the order of which they joined the band). O'Connor's name only appears in the infobox if the two bands' are deemed to be one and the same, as he was never officially a member of The Dubliners.
 * 3) If the two bands are separate, "The Dublin Legends" should be listed under the category of "associated acts" (two or more members in common is one of the possible criteria for a band to be listed in this section). If the two bands are the same, "The Dubliners" should be listed in the "also known as" category.

The two separate versions of the infobox displayed under this topic show the differences that will appear depending on which view we take. The first infobox is what should appear on the main page should the band be considered defunct (and is what is currently displayed at time of writing). The second infobox is what should appear on the main page should the band be considered to be still active.

To read Wikipedia's infobox guidelines, view the page Template:Infobox musical artist.


 * Kind regards, 81.159.3.188 (talk) 17:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Photo with Jimmy Saville — stay or go?
Somebody's already mentioned it in another section on the talk page (with no answers), but should we remove the photo of the Dubliners with Jimmy Saville on the Jim'll Fix It show? For those who haven't heard, since his death, Saville's been shown to have been a child molester and rapist, so it's really not good to have him on this page. On the other hand, it would be good to have at least one picture of the group from the 1970s–1990s, since most of the photos on the page are quite recent and there's one from the 1960s. Does anyone have a photo to replace it from this time period? Even if not, there are already enough pictures, so it would be no great loss.

Also, it is worth noting, the photo is not even a free-use picture. I'm certainly of the opinion we should remove it, but does anyone else have any opinions on this? Rmm413 (talk) 19:54, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with removing it. Hohenloh + 12:26, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


 * To me it's a no-brainer. It's not a free-use picture anyway, and the Savile associations are now so degrading that use of this sort of photo on innocent people's pages is just a distraction from their own subject matter.  Please let's just get rid of it as soon as possible.  Peteinterpol (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Good, it's no longer on the page. It's a relief to have it gone. (I do still hope someone can find more photos from earlier in their career to put up though.) Rmm413 (talk) 00:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, I've now tagged the photo for deletion as an orphaned, non-free file and notified the uploader. Rmm413 (talk) 01:48, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

There were four, not five, original members.
There is a photograph of the band under the section titled "Members of the Group" in which John Sheahan is listed as one of the original members. This is factually incorrect as Sheahan joined alongside Bobby lynch in 1963. The band was formed in 1962. I suggest that somebody remedy this inaccuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.115.228.121 (talk) 22:02, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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The Dubliners are not the Dublin Legends
I see various aspects of this issue have been discussed for 7 or 8 years now.

My question is more fundamental: why are we claiming that the Dublin Legends and the Dubliners are the same band? They are quite clearly different bands, that is why they have different names.

What is the basis by which we are listing Dublin Legends members as “current members” of The Dubliners? The Dubliners are in fact now defunct, and three of the current members of the Dublin Legends were never in The Dubliners anyway. BransonHennersley (talk) 11:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)