Talk:The Edge/Archive 2

Encyclopedia style for names
Hello. The subject of this article is named David Howell Evans, but the article calls him 'The Edge' throughout. 'The Edge' is his chosen stage name, but proper encyclopedic style should be to use his last name to refer to him in the text. Compare articles about Mixed Martial Arts fighters -- they are properly described by their last names rather than by their chosen nick-names. Or compare the article on 50 cent, which correctly refers to him by his last name 'Jackson'. Accordingly I think that general references to the subject in the text should be changed from 'The Edge' to 'Evans'.

174.91.146.116 (talk) 03:10, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: The article is not protected, but I'd recommend seeking consensus before making that change. Celestra (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not a stage name, it's a nickname he's had since secondary school and before U2 were formed. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't actually affect the argument at all.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

The Edge and Muse
Though he's played as a guest guitarist with Muse for one song, he's not associated with them. It was just a collaboration. It's no different than when Bono sings with someone for a given song. --Teancum (talk) 14:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * As of July 2014 at least, Muse is no longer listed as associated with him.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

New picture for infobox
I think this picture is a lot better and the edge is looking straight to the camera. Can anyone replace it??? 430px-The_Edge_2011.jpg Miss Bono (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the previous one of him playing guitar more accurately portrays who he is, the new one has a very distracting Spiderman behind him!Theroadislong (talk) 14:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I found once a picture of The edge with a guitar of the Music Rising Project. It was really nice, but i can't find it now. Can you help on that??? Miss Bono (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It was here but it doesnt allow me to post it... http://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeda:TheEdge.jpg Miss Bono (talk) 15:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not on the English Wikipedia don't know if that's the problem?Theroadislong (talk) 15:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That image is non-free and is presumably being used with a free use rationale. Where free images are available (e.g. anything on Commons), they should be used before non-free content. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 17:23, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Morleigh Steinberg
I think Morleigh deserves to have an article for her work as a coregrapher. Miss Bono  (zootalk)  19:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Like the article Morleigh Steinberg?  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:56, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Syntax
Both of these sentences are just terrible.

"The reason for this dual identity was mainly to be understood by my peers, but also to be accepted."- the guitar player said. [4] The Edge, Dave Evans back then, attended St Andrew's National School.

Cosprings (talk) 18:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Both passages have been changed. But surely you can simply edit the article yourself to improve it?  Minor wording tweaks do not need talk page sections for prior discussion.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Origin of his stage name?
Why did he choose to be known as "The Edge"? The lack of explanation seems like a pretty significant oversight in terms of article content. Bono's article explains the origin of his nickname quickly and effectively, so it would only make sense to do the same here. &#9737; nbmatt 05:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Keyboards
Keyboards are not a primary instrument and should not be listed in the infobox, this should be, and is listed here. Mlpearc ( open channel ) 18:28, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Well known as a keyboardist
Is Edge known mainly as a keyboardist ? Per, only the "main" instrument(s) the artist is know for goes into the infobox, I don't believe he is mainly known for anything but guitar. Nobody is saying he doesn't play the keyboard, he's just not well known for it. Mlpearc ( open channel ) 15:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The Edge has played piano/keys/synths on every album of U2's except their debut. He usually plays several songs on piano/keys for each of the band's shows, sometimes playing guitar and keys simultaneously. I wouldn't label it a secondary instrument despite U2's songs featuring more guitars than keyboards. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 16:05, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * His keyboard playing is already mentioned here, Other instruments.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 16:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * His guitar playing and vocals already have sections, too, though. Why should we let the current structure of the article dictate whether keyboards goes in the infobox or not? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 17:22, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * We're not, the infobox documentation and his main instruments are.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, I agree with Y2kcrazyjoker4. No, The Edge is not known for keyboards, but I feel that he plays them so frequently that it should be considered as one of his main instruments to be listed in the infobox.  When the band has keyboards in a song, it's typically The Edge playing (not every time, but most of the time).  It's not like he played them once during a concert or in only one song.  He plays them all the time.Hollyjoann (talk) 09:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 29 June 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved.  Event horizon51  (talk) 14:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

– Primary topics exist, but "The Edge" is so generic that there can't be one and he is not immediately associated with this name. Searches give him no prominence over "The Edge (1997 film)". MelanieLamont (talk) 06:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The Edge → The Edge (musician)
 * The Edge (disambiguation) → The Edge
 * Oppose. Other topics having to do with edges of things are not "the" edge, capitalised. This topic is disambiguated satisfactorily by both the capitalisation of "The" and by the capitalisation of the following word "Edge". Binksternet (talk) 07:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, there are many topics on Wikipedia also called "the edge" with the same capitals as this fellow, such as the film the nom mentions. Nohomersryan (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose: a mediocre 1997 movie can hardly compare as primary topic to the immensely successful 40-year career of the well known musician. A useful hatnote already exists. ww2censor (talk) 09:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose The musician and the 1997 film both get almost the same amount of pageviews, but I think the musician is probably more significant and human beings should take prominence over media in most cases, so I'm going to oppose. Nohomersryan (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: If the film and the musician get about the same number of visit, the musicial is no longer the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, even if he maybe once was. Emotive venting like the above about whether the film is "mediocre" and how great the musician is are WP:POV pushing and WP:IDONTLIKEIT/WP:ILIKEIT pseudo-arguments.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Neutral. Not sure which way to lean on this one. Over the past year the musician has recieved double the average page views of the film |The_Edge_(1997_film)|The_Edge_(2010_film)|The_Edge_(Fox_TV_series)|The_Edge_(game_show)|Edge_(wrestler)|The_Edge_(novel)|The_Edge_(Malaysia)|The_Edge_(song)|The_Edge_(New_Zealand), though this is inflated somewhat by a surge of interest last December. Also worth mentioning that Edge (wrestler) gets significantly more page views than either. PC78 (talk) 23:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


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Gibson SG
I've seen The Edge use a Gibson SG, why is it not in his "Notable Instruments"? --123.2.142.50 (talk) 06:52, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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What do 'origins' mean?
I notice that you insist on the Edge's 'origin' should be recorded as Dublin, when neither he or his parents are Dublin born. If the title was 'musical origin' then I could understand the entry but as he was born in England I would argue that it is either factually incorrect or a deliberate attempt to re-write history - which seems a bit pointless given the article already declares his date and place of birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Groucho54 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see the Template:Infobox musical artist for details:
 * The town, city etc., from which the group or musician originated (that is, the place where the group was founded, or where the individual performer started their career, should it not match the location of their birth). If the place is not known, specify at least the country. For "United States" and "United Kingdom", it is preferred that they be abbreviated "U.S." and "UK", but political subdivisions should never be (never "MA" for "Massachusetts", "ON" for "Ontario", etc.). See Notes for details. Do not add a flag icon. Omit the country if it does not differ from that specified at the field "birth_place". Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 17:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

the edge with long hair
i didn't even know until approximately a month or two ago he had long hair when i watched the live aid set for the first time.

this begs the question: why isn't there at least one picture with this look?

i like his live aid look the best and think it should be on the page https://static.u2start.com/photos/13320-1285089219-size3.jpg

he looks good.

here comes again, abusing his pseudo-authority on U2 pages. would you like to take this to dispute resolution or ANI, you lifer?

the license is valid. wikipedia is NON-COMMERCIAL. thus, it is allowed. who do you think you are? you have been warned many times, but you seem to not get the idea.


 * I have never seen a valid non-free fair use rationale that boils down to "we don't have a picture of this person with long hair, we should have one". I think it's a substantial overreach to try to claim we need to use a non-free image of someone for whom literally hundreds of free images are available because the encyclopedia needs an image of them with a certain hairstyle. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 17:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

i have created a file for discussion page. i suspect if there was any controversy over whether this image should be uploaded, it would have been deleted by now. you claim there are hundreds of images with the Edge, presumably some of those would have his pre joshua-tree look would they not? yet, the material is extremely scarce. i encourage you, a U2 lifer, to find another image if you claim the license isn't valid. i am well-aware it's a Getty image and people don't like that, but the idea of depicting an artist after the band's first ten years is a little wrong. there should be at least one picture to show how he looked. i am in my early 30s and i didn't know he even had long hair. fans deserve to see the evolution of the musician, visually or artistically.
 * like look at the google search for "the edge u2 long hair" (no quotes). it freakin shows Number Two. like, it's hard to find these images. again, you're the lifer surely you have access to some pictures of him with long hair that may be from a less-controversial source. my view is, if the upload survives files for discussion, then it should stay.
 * I have removed the image because it is a glaring violation of the policy on use of Non-free images. A non-free images of a living person violates policy, and in this case, there are plenty of freely licensed images of The Edge readily available. As an administrator, I will not allow any policy-violating non free images in this article now that I am aware of this situation. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * i understand. is this due to the image being from getty? does wikipedia not satisfy the non-commercial clause of the royalty-free license ?
 * The fact that the image is from Getty just makes the case against the image stronger because they are in the business of licensing photos for money, but the case is ironclad without the Getty factor. The main factor is that the image is non-free, and non-free images of living people violate policy, and that is especially true when freely licensed images are readily available. Wikipedia content can and often is re-used for commercial purposes, and that is perfectly legitimate with attribution. So, it is incorrect to think of Wikipedia content as non-commercial.  I am perfectly free to sell copies of our conversation, for example, if anyone is willing to pay for it. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  18:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * isn't there a way to allow non-free pictures of living people with permission limited to wikipedia? it's a little obtuse that a copyright holder cannot allow a non-free image license exclusive to wikipedia, which would ensure that anyone who dared to reproduce it for commercial purposes would still be held accountable. there must be some compromise that can be reached. for example, if i held such a copyright i too would forbid use on wikipedia if that meant people *must* be allowed to reproduce it for whatever purposes outside of it. doesn't seem right
 * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LADDIES. THANKS AGAIN TO DR HANS ARNE NAKREM. look at the cool factor {{Ping|Cullen328}. like, it's by far the coolest photo on the page. is going to have a tough time one-upping it. and i know he sits and looks at all of the u2 pages rubbing his chin, thinking about how can "tweak" and improve them. WELL NOT TODAY JOKER, NOT TODAY.
 * No, the mission is not accomplished. Only Nakrem can provide the license to Commons, not you. I have removed the photo. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  17:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * what do you mean, he has to upload to wikimedia commons himself? can't i just show the email to show his approval? why are you making him register to upload it, that's silly.
 * all that's required is evidence he allowed the photo be uploaded under CC-3.0. and i have the email to prove that. so what do you want me to do? upload the email? or what? asking him to register and upload it is not a fair thing and you're moving the goalposts. maybe i can ask him to engage in conversation on wikipedia as an IP but i'm not sure if that's even required.
 * Silly? Far from it. Accepting the word of a random stranger on the internet that they had permission from someone else entirely to licence their image? That would be silly. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * the image isn't on the internet, as far as i'm aware. i think an easy google image search would reveal that. i have the emails that show clear and unequivocal consent. attaching that document to the upload is tacky and ugly. i've CC"d dr nakrem in my email to commons-release@ and also included the PDF of our correspondence where he agrees to the release, just to have all things in order. WHAT A PICTURE