Talk:The Elder Scrolls

Gray Fox's Cursed Cowl
Isn't the elder scroll used by the gray fox to remove the curse from his cowl? That's the impression I got. I won't go editing it until someone verifies that, though. --PrettyMuchBryce 11:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The spell placed on the cowl by Nocturnal totally obliterated your identity. You were the only one that even remembered you existed. Removal of the cowl didn't effect this. You were still stricken from history. Now, you are no longer stricken from history-the cowl simply magically conceals your identity. This cloaking ends upon removal of the cowl. --Umlautbob 08:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

yeah the gray fox uses a elder scroll to manipulate time to place himself back into history. 165.29.163.62 (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2008

Septim
Why does septim redirect here? -Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.49.7.125 (talk) 19:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC).
 * In english, the only use for the term 'Septim' is A) The currency used in the Elder Scrolls
 * universe or B) The line of emperors in the Elder Scrolls universe.
 * I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.130.31 (talk) 18:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Elder Scroll Image
I have an image of the Elder Scroll stolen at the behest of the Gray Fox. It can be read like any other scroll, but no legible text. Two questions: How do I go about ascertaining copyright status, and, it being textless, should I even bother adding the image to the article? --Umlautbob 08:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Too much attention should probably not be given to the scrolls, but rather on the series as a whole (my view anyway). --Scoo 09:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Screenshots are fair use for most purposes. However, yeah, being textless, it's probably not worth including. - DewiMorgan (talk) 20:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...
I have some information I added to the article, but I realized I don't remember where I got it from. Including the planned edit and wondering if anyone can confirm it.

"Each reading imparts profound wisdow, yet apparently leaves the reader temporarily blind. Each reading of the Scrolls leads to a more profound understanding than the last, yet leaves the subject blind for a longer period. Eventually, one can achieve near-perfect understanding of the scroll, but is rendered totally and permanently blind." --Umlautbob 21:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Game of the Year Edition III?
Why isn't the game of the year edition on here? —This unsigned comment was added by 209.191.223.84 (talk • contribs).

Elder Scrolls Wiki?
Doesn’t it seem redundant that the general wiki has MORE information about the minor and major aspects of game play then the Wiki Pages that were designed SPECIFICALLY for them? I’ve visited the Elder Scroll Wiki Pages but it seems to be more focused on winning strategies and cheats then it does on in game lore. This just seems to defeat the whole purpose of a Wiki page. I opt that we either clean up the Unofficial TES Pages and start from scratch, or we just remove them completely, or at least remove the link to them... 69.250.130.215 20:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the problem? It's not as though these great masses of undirected self-possessed individuals are acting in coordination. WikiPedia has no relationship, formal or informal, with the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages. I believe, and I may be wrong, that UESP preceded Wikipedia, forming an old-style hyperlinked pseudo-fansite. I do not know what you mean by "remove them completely", given that it is immediately contrasted with "remove the link" to them, which was previously the only possible meaning I could assign to the former sentence. Do you mean to ask us to go at their servers with an axe and some Drano?
 * If you're interested in "game lore", then the Imperial Library is probably a better bet than UESP. Links to both the sites provide resources that Wikipedia itself cannot provide, that is, those terribe behemoths "Gamecruft" and "Fancruft". The purpose of the UESP seems to be to provide "winning strategies and cheats", in the parlance of those with their noses deep in WP:NOT, this means Gamecruft, something frowned upon socially and professionally in this land of office-chair scholars. The purpose of the Imperial Library seems to be to provide an in-depth resource to both in-game lore and more general lore-creation lore, in the zargon, this is Fancruft, something not necessarily speedily deletable, given the intangible esotericities of "Encyclopedic", and "Notable", but nonetheless frowned upon by those with more pressing concerns, like tropical storms in the nineteen-forties, the Middle Kingdoms of India, AC/DC, and the Final Fantasy series.
 * I can't make heads or tails of your statement, which has led me to make this incoherent reply of my own. I'd like to say, though, that I reject your proposals. As for the thought that Wikipedia is acting in a redundantly redundant manner, I'd like to say that Wikipedia has no eyes for those things other than the subjects of its articles, other wikis notwithstanding. Withstanding other wikis and nonwikis alike, with specific reference to UESP and TIL, I'd say that both serve specific purposes not falling under the banner of wikiwikiwikiwikipedia.
 * That is all. Good day. Cheers. Now and forever, my love goes out to you all. That dastardy purveyor of incomprehensibly overwrought sentences, Geuiwogbil 01:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The UESP has much more than this general wiki does, however it takes a more specified search to find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.36.99 (talk) 03:56, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

This article needs to seriously be rewritten. There is a lot of crap that doesn't belong here, like the Porphyric Hemophilia section which I just removed. Venyx (talk) 01:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The Imperial Library has moved!
Hey folks,

The Library is no longer with gamingsource and we now have our own domain:

http://imperial-library.info/

I've updated this page, now I hope somebody will be so kind to update all the other links on wikipedia. The substructure of the library has remained the same so you can just swap about the domain.

86.80.122.213 16:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)Proweler

Light Armor
Any reason that "Light Armor" redirects here? Was looking for a page on light tanks and armored vehicles. This page doesn't mention anything about it either. -Ratclaw (talk) 06:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Some time ago, there was an article that described the "Light Armor" skill in various iterations of the Elder Scrolls series. It was (justly) considered non-notable and deleted. And the article was redirected to here. I'd opt for redirecting it to somewhere more fitting but I dunno where yet. ^^; --Koveras ☭ 10:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)]

Yeah, i agree that the elder scrolls wiki needs some SERIOUS work, or it should be deleted altogether.Shzam (talk) 18:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Section headings
I think that the section "The Elder Scrolls themselves" should be renamed to "In-game Elder Scrolls" to avoid self-reference in the section headings. Is anybody against it? --Koveras ☭ 10:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Elder Scrolls V
Just announced/hinted at: 

Source for 5th installment?
I put a citation needed tag onto that sentence, you need to post a source that tells you that there will be an Elder Scrolls V game —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iner22 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

A quick google search gives us http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157366 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.78.179 (talk) 06:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

More recently, Bethesda's Pete Hines issued a statement on the Bethesda blog: http://bethblog.com/index.php/2009/08/17/clarifying-about-next-elder-scrolls-game-mmo-etc/ "At his QuakeCon talk he was asked when TESV is coming out and Todd replied, 'Don't look for a new Elder Scrolls game in the near future.' He also went on to say how much the franchise means to us and that it definitely will continue. He just wasn’t going to provide any timeframe on 'when.' [...] Todd and Bethesda Game Studios are hard at work on their next big game, and we’re not ready to discuss it." Since they are working on another project, and their typical turnaround for games is about 1.5-2 years from announcement to release, 2010 seems unrealistic even if TES V is their very next project after the current one. Sorry. - DewiMorgan (talk) 22:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

2010 won't happen. The comment that they weren't making TES5 at all was proven to be untrue, but there's nothing as of yet. Bethesda have a habit of not announcing games until they have a lot to show of it. LOL   IM   VEGETA254 22:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Also http://www.vg247.com/2010/01/20/source-bethesdas-elder-scrolls-mmo-missed-its-2009-reveal/ Kamahl (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Incorrectly Written
This Artical has been written like an essay with little suported refrences. It should be completely rewritten. --Nargodian (talk) 19:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I cut out some of the more "puff piece" pure opinion stuff, and some pointless "personal research" and trivia. --Mujokan (talk) 22:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Fan Page Submission
I added a Fan page to the fan page section of the TES wiki. It seemed relevant to me... But it has been taken down? Are we only allowing 2 fan pages? All it linked to was a fan page that collects info on the next game. They listed sources and such. I was so happy when I found this page I thought that I would share it. I won't link it here unless asked for it. Just feel a bit like I wasted my time. DisAfecT (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Possible reason for poor sales of 'Battlespire' and 'Redguard'?
I'm just wondering, is it possible that "Battlespire" and "Redguard" sold poorly becuase they were released on DOS? Battlespire was released in '97, but I've noticed games that were already released on PC in '95 and '96. I'm pretty sure that people would've prefered PC over MS-DOS. But I'm no expert.--The Rogue Leader 06:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

TESV & vandalism
Hi,

TESV is NOT officialy announced or confirmed, so stop writing false information about his release date. Bethesda haven't clearly confirmed that the game is in production.

Also, 98.21.75.5 vandalized the article by changing some words. Please, stop it.

Lüfkin AlÄtir (talk) 23:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be keeping a close eye on this article. Thanks for your report.  Davtra   (talk) 04:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Elder Scrolls 5?
Is is going to happen? Any info at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.22.166.8 (talk) 01:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No information. There has been no official press release about this product.  Davtra   (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

They have said that they plan to make another elder scrolls game Tim Howard: 'We do have an estimate, but I'm not allowed to talk about it. Even right now it's an estimate.' http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/56308/Bethesdas-Todd-Howard-On-Elder-Scrolls —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.28.144 (talk) 12:55, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing the link.  Davtra   (talk) 23:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

TES V leaked info
so, that part in the article about someone on a plane who overheard some info... does anyone have any info to back that up? sounds a little made up. I would LOVE to see a reliable source for this info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.178.129 (talk) 06:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Useless(?) External Link
Uhh... the fourth "External Link" is to 'elderscroll5.com', a site apparently devoid of any useful content whatsoever! Would remove it myself but perhaps there's a good reason for it to stay(?). 121.72.245.238 (talk) 01:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Question:
I see that this article needs more sources. Would it be possible to cite the books that appear ingame? It's quite unorthodox, but that's where most of the lore and descriptions are given. The only other places they are published is in the Elder Scrolls wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brightgalrs (talk • contribs) 21:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Fans tend to be a bit...biased since those of us whove read such books (theres a lot of them) tend to be really into it. However, a better well of lore can be found at http://www.imperial-library.info/ This allows searches through all the literature posted in game, plus in-character writeups by developers which may or may not reflect established lore. Its a far better place to look for such things; the elder scrolls wiki is way beyond the scope of this article (thats why its a wiki,) but the library may work well. 96.28.157.126 (talk) 05:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Cosmology Issue
"one of several alternate dimensions ruled by immortal god-like beings known as Daedra Princes" Is this line in for clarity and simplicity, rather than accuracy? Because thats not quite how it works. Oblivion is the void in which Nirn floats. The 'planets', and Nirn itself, are the way mortals comprehend deities. For instance, the Deadlands (in ES4) are *literally* the infinite expanse that makes up Mehrunes Dagon, while Nirn is the equally infinite remains of Lorkhan.

The worlds appear as spheres because thats how mortals can conceive of them. But the daedra are not gods, not really. They'er a chaos-spawned series of 'beings' while the Aedra are much closer to what would be considerd deities, and unlike the daedra, the only visible connection Aetherius has is by the stars in the sky.

So is this omitted on purpose due to confusion or was it omitted unintentionally? I would like to know before i change it what people thing. 96.28.157.126 (talk) 05:32, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Morrowind Game of the Year Edition for Xbox
"The Elder Scrolls III: Tribunal and The Elder Scrolls III: Bloodmoon. A Game of the Year Edition encompassing the original game plus both expansions packs, as well as the latest patch and modding tools was released later exclusively for PC."

Wrong. I own the Game of the Year Edition of Morrowind for the original Xbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.242.250.99 (talk) 18:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh really, you have The Elder Scrolls Construction Set on an Xbox? Different GotY editions have been released, some (such as the one described) are PC exclusive. He's Gone Mental 10:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Time has stopped
"In the storyline, one of the scrolls was used in ancient times to cast off Alduin, the evil dragon, to the future, although not intentionally. Also, the scrolls cause a stop in time, meaning that ever since it was used on Alduin, time has essentially stopped to the era the game takes place in."

What does that last sentence mean? I have played this game and am not sure if it is factually correct, if I am accurately discerning its meaning. Dibbun (talk) 08:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've removed that last sentence, it's not useful to an encyclopedia. Sincerely, He's Gone Mental 09:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

What?
Um... Can somebody explain this> "The Elder Scrolls: Arena was released in 1969 for DOS PC fleshligts. The game was intended for rapists to assume the role of a little girl, but development shifted the game into a role-playing game (RPG).[1] This game began the tradition based on the principle of "[being] who you want and [doing] what you want"[1] that persisted throughout the series' history."

It's from this article! WTF? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GroleJr (talk • contribs) 19:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

It's called trolling. Someone was vandalizing the wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.179.51 (talk) 19:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Can we remove the "lead too short" template?
The "lead too short" template was added in September 2012 (not sure why someone "updated" it this year) and since then the lead was expanded from this:
 * The Elder Scrolls (abbreviated as TES) is an action role-playing open world video game series developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks.

to this:
 * The Elder Scrolls is a series of action role-playing open world fantasy video games primarily developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. The series is known for their elaborate and richly-detailed open worlds and its focus on free-form gameplay. Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all won Game of the Year awards from multiple outlets.

Seems good enough to me. Can we remove the template? -- Pemilligan (talk) 04:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Feel free. :) -- ferret (talk) 11:14, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the "lead too short" template. -- Pemilligan (talk) 13:05, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Tiber Septim had no Descendants.
The line:

"The ruling dynasty throughout the Third Era consisted entirely of the descendants of Tiber Septim."

Is false. Tiber Septim had no children and upon his death the throne passed to his brother, Pelagius Septim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.135.164.254 (talk) 07:06, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Tiber Septim did have children. It's explicitly stated in the in-game book Brief History of the Empire, Book I that Pelagius Septim was his grandson and I don't know what gave you the idea that it was his brother. Now Pelagius, on the other hand, did not have any children and his first cousin took over. But a first cousin still comes from the same grandfather's line. I'm realize now that wasting time though. It's already long been removed from the article. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 10:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-Protection
Could we please put a Semi-Protection on this article? It has been repetitively vandalized by anonymous users. ☞ Rim < Talk 06:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Requested. -- ferret (talk) 12:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Skyrim image
Shouldn't we find a higher-resolution image detailing the gameplay for Skyrim? In spirit with the previous two images on the page, it should at least show the UI, and something in a higher resolution would probably make it more useful to readers. —Atvelonis (talk) 02:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

The Daedra, beings from the Planes of Oblivion
In this article, attained by redirection from "Daedra", those "beings from the Planes of Oblivion" are only described in the fifth occurrence of the word. And what are they ? --82.227.17.30 (talk) 17:11, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Separate page for Elder Scrolls lore?
I hereby propose that a new page is created for the world of the Elder Scrolls, similarly to how we have pages for the world of A Song of Ice and Fire, Middle-earth, or the fictional universe of Harry Potter. In my opinion, the Elder Scrolls series is quite renowned and well-known, and is notable enough for its lore to have its own article that would go over the provinces, races, background, and other things. Unless anyone has any objections, I would like to start writing --SaltedSturgeon (talk) 02:51, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt that there is enough lore covered in sufficient secondary sources that it would warrant a separate article, let alone that the games are only loosely connected. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 06:57, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I personally think that's a good idea. We already have an article about the fictional universe of The Legend of Zelda. But how's the writing going, ? Enjoyer of World💬 10:22, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

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The elder scrolls online: high isles
It says elder scrolls: blade (2020) is the latest elder scrolls game, but elder scrolls high isle was published this year. Hopefully someone will edit this. 174.202.224.242 (talk) 03:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Mentions of Oblivion in the Settings section
Oblivion is used as a catch-all phrase throughout the section, although in reality these quests take place in various realms of Oblivion. Should this be expanded on or is the current use sufficient? Kronifer (talk) 21:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Merchandise section
Does anyone see any sources for this? I know there is plenty of merch out there and I think this section would be a great addition to this article. Timur9008 (talk) 10:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)