Talk:The Eras Tour/Archive 2

without China
It's trivial, but it might be added that her tour achieved being the highest-grossing musical tour without (no dates) visiting China🇨🇳, the world's second-largest economy and having the second largest population. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 03:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HorrorLover555 (talk) 07:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2024
Add tour dates: Melbourne, Australia - MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground) - February 16-18 Danliamhalliday (talk) 06:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✔️ The tour dates for those shows are already included in the tour dates section. HorrorLover555 (talk) 08:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Mention The Eras Tour Is Still Going!
You should say in the actual article that The Eras Tour is stiil going. It's an important peice of info and you don't mention it anywhere! It doesn't matter where you add it in, just add it in! And if--58.105.64.235 (talk) 12:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC) you need proof, Taylor literally JUST did a show at the MCG! If you could add that it would be AMAZING! Thankyou in advance. }} 58.105.64.235 (talk) 12:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * We know it’s still going thanks to the constant media attention. Flippedjack (talk) 12:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * This is stated in the sixth word of the article!! "ongoing"... — Peterpie123rww (talk) 12:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah but it's easy to forget. One word isn't much of a reminder when you're reading an article with THIS much info in it. You should add it again later in the article. Also you should mention that she's only like halfway through the tour so you can still get tickets. ButWeWereDancin (talk) 10:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought the ticket is already 100% sold out? Lol what happened? ShakiraFandom (talk) 00:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No, I'm pretty sure you can still get tickets. Also Taylor could release more. You never know. 58.105.64.235 (talk) 11:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Not really sure how this is relevant or important. All dates are listed, and it states that the tour is ongoing. — Peterpie123rww (talk) 17:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Tour Dates Table
Hi, I just realised that in the table saying tour dates and stuff like that, the last 2 columns are not filled out. I can't edit this page yet, so if someone could fill that in that would be amazing! SwiftieNow&#38;4eva (talk) 11:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey there! Are you referring to the attendance and revenue? If so, there is something in regards to that already covered in the "Commercial performance" section, as it covered that Swift's team do not attend to release the boxscore numbers. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Should Surprise Songs List Be A Table?
Would the surprise song subsection be better suited in a table format?

I fear that the surprise song section is increasingly unintelligible to readers (particularly those using narrow displays) as it expands and becomes more complex, particularly as Taylor performs more mashups at more shows. Having a fully punctuated bullet-pointed list arguably makes the section overly-complicated and the section would be easier to navigate as a whole if it were presented as a table, particularly given that the songs are already consistently listed in a "[Date] - [City]: [Guitar Song] and [Piano Song]" order. Additionally, switching this list to a table would make it more consistent with the rest of the article, as other information that is specific to dates (including the "Venue Records" and "Tour Dates" sections) are already illustrated in a table format.

Nicholas13t (talk) 20:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point. I think it is good as is so far, although I am open to change if there are more in support of changing it to a list. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

La Defense Arena is not a stadium
Why editors on this page trying so hard to gatekeeping the additional notes about La Defense Arena is an exception as a non-stadium shows on this tour?? Bias much? WP:NPOV Newpicarchive (talk) 18:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed already at this past discussion here. Per what has said: The Eras Tour is described as an all-stadium tour because that is what ALL of the sources say per WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE, plus some countries use stadiums and arenas as terms interchangeably. Unless there is a source claiming that "The Eras Tour is not a stadium tour", against the many sources that say otherwise, the article lead's stability should not be disrupted. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Attendance and revenue
Hey guys, so, I would like to ask/propose: shouldn't the "Attendance" and "Revenue" colums on "Tour dates" be removed?

It's mentioned right upper, on "Boxscore", that Taylor's team won't report individual revenue numbers, thus, it makes no sense to keep these columns. Perhaps the "Attendance" should be kept, as some US shows have individual numbers reported to local journals, but not the "Revenue".

Thanks, Music01 (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point in having either if the boxscores aren't going to be released, so I won't object to having both Attendance and Revenue columns removed. HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:57, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Is it worthwhile adding in attendance data where they have been published? Rounded attendance figures for shows in Melbourne and Sydney have been made publicly available and therefore could be included. You seem to imply that similar figures exist for some US shows as well. Lala295 (talk) 22:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Wouldn't it be better if it was from either Billboard or Pollstar? HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Changing the setlist to better reflect the tour as a whole.
Currently the source and setlist used is from opening night in Glendale. However, since then "Long Live" has been added and "The 1" has replaced "Invisible String" for the majority of tour dates. Therefore, it seems to me that choosing another date (e.g. Kansas City night 1 - July 7th, 2023) and setlist that better represents the overall tour would be beneficial to the article for readers. So, due to the current setlist giving an outdated and inaccurate representation of the tour, it seems like choosing a new date/setlist and changing associated sources would be a good idea. JD22LU (talk) 00:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, first off, most concert tour articles use the opening act as a sample of the set list. Hence why there is a note beside it stating that it "does not represent all shows throughout the tour". Second, the source you were using (Setlist.fm) is user-generated content and is therefore not a reliable source per WP:NOTRSMUSIC; whereas the set list currently being used is sourced well by reliable, published sources such as Variety and USA Today. As much as I want to agree on the set list changing, I do not think it really needs to change. HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To answer the comment about the sourcing, I would be able to find a more reliable source for the different date (I actually did have an additional source like you described in case setlist.fm did not qualify). I understand that there is a disclaimer, but it does not make any sense to use a setlist that does not give an overall representation of the tour. I picked Kansas City because that's when the current and most common setlist was first performed, but you could also pick Tokyo (start of the second leg). The Eras Tour is a special case in that the setlist has been permanently changed not even halfway through the tour dates, meaning that the chosen setlist of opening night does not apply to most shows. Meaning that "does not represent all shows" should more accurately read "does not represent most shows". I don't think it's important that we use the opening show anyway - I think it's much more important that the official setlist gives a more overall representation of the tour. JD22LU (talk) 07:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, there is a bit of a reason why we have sub-sections in the section such as "Alterations" which covers on the change in the set. Although, it would be good to get a third opinion. Pinging . HorrorLover555 (talk) 07:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it's fair to add "The 1" and "Long Live" to the main Set list, citing this or this as reliable sources. What's better is that both sources compile the set list from various shows and not just the opening Glendale gig, and the second one also separates the songs by "era". Ippantekina (talk) 02:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. That I can agree with. HorrorLover555 (talk) 03:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2024
Under the Tour Dates section, five dates have footnotes using "labelled". The style guide on the talk page indicates that the page is written in American English, so I propose all of these be changed to "labeled". 71.84.240.18 (talk) 03:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

"Associated albums" list in infobox
Opening up a discussion here, as I think it is beneficial to list the specific associated albums in the infobox, even if it is under a collapsible list. Easier for readers since this information can be written here, instead of leading the reader to a separate article. (lists displayed are only expanded by default here for visualisation purposes)

It might be disputable if Taylor Swift should be included in this list — it is included in all promotional material, such as the poster and the concert film trailer, but its songs are not included in the set list, and have only been performed as surprise songs on selected shows. Also, including the original versions of Fearless, Speak Now, Red and 1989 is probably unnecessary — it could be assumed that the Taylor's Versions are the only versions of the album that are promoted, even if it was not initially released when the tour began.

(notifying for discussion purposes!) Theknine2 (talk) 05:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * "" is WP:OR. I prefer "Various" because debut also got some songs for some nights, and the murky distinction between "Taylor's Version" and the original should not be there as it could confuse some readers. The bolded acts in the "Concert synopsis" section and the "Set list" section should suffice. Ippantekina (talk) 06:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Every album that Taylor has re-recorded replaces the original version. This is a known fact.
 * "I will always be proud of my past work. But for a healthier option, Lover will be out August 23." — in context to Lover being the first album which she owns the masters of.
 * The Taylor's Versions of Speak Now and 1989 were announced at the tour, and All Too Well (10 Minute Version) from Red (Taylor's Version) is included in the Red act. Many "From the Vault" tracks from Taylor's Versions are also regularly performed as surprise songs.
 * However, I do agree with you that Taylor Swift placed in the list. Theknine2 (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate what you did at the article but I'd like a consensus to be reached. The discrepancy between the OG/Taylor's Version is still there, and I believe "Various" was the status quo, which we should stick to unless we receive third-person opinions.
 * Yes I'm aware Lover is the first album master that Swift owns (I'm a Swiftie, cmon now) but what about Reputation whose Taylor's Version has not been released? Do you plan to change it to Reputation (Taylor's Version) potentially in the future? That's the key problem with the album list. Ippantekina (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ippantekina. Per WP:STATUSQUO, we should stick to "Various". HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If Reputation (Taylor’s Version) was announced during the tour, then it could be considered a supporting album. But I do agree with your rationale, since it can be a source of confusion. Theknine2 (talk) 21:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, until Reputation (Taylor's Version) gets announced during the tour, WP:CRYSTAL should be kept in mind. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Concert synopsis section
The show in Paris tonight had a significantly different layout and setlist, with Folklore and Evermore being merged, and songs from the new album being played. I'd suggest this section needs to be made clear that it refers to the earlier part of the tour, and a new section being constructed for the new set. Much of the rest of the article may need to be modified as well. Black Kite (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✔️ It looks like it has already been added in the synopsis section. Paris, of course, isn't mentioned, but the change in the set list is noted in as well as the new changes. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

New Paris Setlist
We should include the setlist from May 9, 2024 Paris to represent the Eras Tour from May 2024 onward. It is common in articles to have multiple setlists if, at some point, an artist changes the setlist super drastically during the tour. Harryh2112 (talk) 02:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Alteration of the old setlist + Addition of the new setlist
BEFORE


 * Act I – Lover
 * 1) "Miss Americana & the Heartbreak Prince"
 * 2) "Cruel Summer"
 * 3) "The Man"
 * 4) "You Need to Calm Down"
 * 5) "Lover"
 * 6) "The Archer"
 * Act II – Fearless
 * 1)  "Fearless"
 * 2) "You Belong with Me"
 * 3) "Love Story"
 * Act III – Evermore
 * 1)  "'Tis the Damn Season"
 * 2) "Willow"
 * 3) "Marjorie"
 * 4) "Champagne Problems"
 * 5) "Tolerate It"


 * Act IV – Reputation
 * 1) "...Ready for It?"
 * 2) "Delicate"
 * 3) "Don't Blame Me"
 * 4) "Look What You Made Me Do"
 * Act V – Speak Now
 * 1) "Enchanted"
 * Act VI – Red
 * 1) "22"
 * 2) "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"
 * 3) "I Knew You Were Trouble"
 * 4) "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)"
 * Act VII – Folklore
 * 1) "Invisible String"
 * 2) "Betty"
 * 3) "The Last Great American Dynasty"
 * 4) "August"
 * 5) "Illicit Affairs"
 * 6) "My Tears Ricochet"
 * 7) "Cardigan"


 * Act VIII – 1989
 * 1) "Style"
 * 2) "Blank Space"
 * 3) "Shake It Off"
 * 4) "Wildest Dreams"
 * 5) "Bad Blood"
 * Act IX – Acoustic set
 * 1) Guitar surprise song
 * 2) Piano surprise song
 * Act X – Midnights
 * 1) "Lavender Haze"
 * 2) "Anti-Hero"
 * 3) "Midnight Rain"
 * 4) "Vigilante Shit"
 * 5) "Bejeweled"
 * 6) "Mastermind"
 * 7) "Karma"

AFTER

March 17, 2023 to March 9, 2024


 * Act I – Lover
 * 1) "Miss Americana & the Heartbreak Prince"
 * 2) "Cruel Summer"
 * 3) "The Man"
 * 4) "You Need to Calm Down"
 * 5) "Lover"
 * 6) "The Archer"
 * Act II – Fearless
 * 1)  "Fearless"
 * 2) "You Belong with Me"
 * 3) "Love Story"
 * Act III – Evermore
 * 1)  "'Tis the Damn Season"
 * 2) "Willow"
 * 3) "Marjorie"
 * 4) "Champagne Problems"
 * 5) "Tolerate It"


 * Act IV – Reputation
 * 1) "...Ready for It?"
 * 2) "Delicate"
 * 3) "Don't Blame Me"
 * 4) "Look What You Made Me Do"
 * Act V – Speak Now
 * 1) "Enchanted"
 * 2) "Long Live"
 * Act VI – Red
 * 1) "22"
 * 2) "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"
 * 3) "I Knew You Were Trouble"
 * 4) "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)"
 * Act VII – Folklore
 * 1) "The 1"
 * 2) "Betty"
 * 3) "The Last Great American Dynasty"
 * 4) "August"
 * 5) "Illicit Affairs"
 * 6) "My Tears Ricochet"
 * 7) "Cardigan"


 * Act VIII – 1989
 * 1) "Style"
 * 2) "Blank Space"
 * 3) "Shake It Off"
 * 4) "Wildest Dreams"
 * 5) "Bad Blood"
 * Act IX – Acoustic set
 * 1) Guitar surprise song
 * 2) Piano surprise song
 * Act X – Midnights
 * 1) "Lavender Haze"
 * 2) "Anti-Hero"
 * 3) "Midnight Rain"
 * 4) "Vigilante Shit"
 * 5) "Bejeweled"
 * 6) "Mastermind"
 * 7) "Karma"

May 9, 2024 onwards


 * Act I – Lover
 * 1) "Miss Americana & the Heartbreak Prince"
 * 2) "Cruel Summer"
 * 3) "The Man"
 * 4) "You Need to Calm Down"
 * 5) "Lover"
 * Act II – Fearless
 * 1)  "Fearless"
 * 2) "You Belong with Me"
 * 3) "Love Story"
 * Act III – Red
 * 1) "22"
 * 2) "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"
 * 3) "I Knew You Were Trouble"
 * 4) "All Too Well (10 Minute Version)"


 * Act IV – Speak Now
 * 1) "Enchanted"
 * Act V – Reputation
 * 1) "...Ready for It?"
 * 2) "Delicate"
 * 3) "Don't Blame Me"
 * 4) "Look What You Made Me Do"
 * Act VI – Folklore + Evermore
 * 1) "Cardigan"
 * 2) "Betty"
 * 3) "Champagne Problems"
 * 4) "August"
 * 5) "Illicit Affairs"
 * 6) "My Tears Ricochet"
 * 7) "Marjorie"
 * 8) "Willow"
 * Act VII – 1989
 * 1) "Style"
 * 2) "Blank Space"
 * 3) "Shake It Off"
 * 4) "Wildest Dreams"
 * 5) "Bad Blood"


 * Act VIII – The Tortured Poets Department
 * 1) "But Daddy I Love Him"
 * 2) "So High School"
 * 3) "Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me"
 * 4) "Down Bad"
 * 5) "Fortnight"
 * 6) "The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived"
 * 7) "I Can Do It With a Broken Heart"
 * Act IX – Acoustic set
 * 1) Guitar surprise song
 * 2) Piano surprise song
 * Act X – Midnights
 * 1) "Lavender Haze"
 * 2) "Anti-Hero"
 * 3) "Midnight Rain"
 * 4) "Vigilante Shit"
 * 5) "Bejeweled"
 * 6) "Mastermind"
 * 7) "Karma"

EXPLANATION

The initial setlist (March 17, 2023 to March 9, 2024) should be updated to include "Long Live" and "The 1" (instead of Invisible String), because the majority of the tour dates in this time period includes these songs. The information provided should encompass what was performed in the majority of the dates, not the list of songs performed on the first date, which encompasses only a minority of the dates.

I think this change is necessary because many people read the list at first glance without reading the extra information provided, and they may even quote it. They would get misled into thinking that the very first setlist reflects what was performed in the majority of this time period, and may spread this misinformation to others as well.

The information regarding this in the section below can be altered to reflect these changes:

"Invisible String" was performed instead of "The 1" prior to the Arlington shows, as well as second Nashville show, where Swift performed "Invisible String" in honor of the bench at Centennial Park dedicated to her.

"Long Live" was not performed prior to the Kansas City shows. It was added after "Enchanted" as part of the Speak Now act after the release of Speak Now (Taylor's Version), starting with the aforementioned shows.

Additionally, the setlist has changed significantly from the "March 17, 2023 to March 9, 2024" period to the "May 9, 2024 onwards" period. Thus, both setlists need to be put down. If there are any future changes in the "May 9, 2024 onwards" period, I strongly recommend that the setlist be altered to reflect the changes if it ends up becoming the setlist for the majority of the time period.

''' HaxorusNow (talk) 04:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I think the Kansas City-Singapore set list would be appropriate for this section. "Invisible String" was only performed in four shows, and that iteration of the Eras Tour was also "immortalised" in full via the Disney+ version of the film, hence it would be the most recognised iteration of the March 2023-March 2024 set list. Theknine2 (talk) 05:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Glendale set list used at the start of the tour will stay as it is notable for when it first started. The new changes and additions of The Tortured Poets Department in the set list for Nanterre is already added. HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Tour revamp
Since the Eras Tour has had a major revamp following the addition of TTPD, there are elements of the article should be split into two versions (pre-TTPD and post-TTPD). Obvious examples would be the set list and concert synopsis, and maybe a sub-section for critical reception. I'm personally using The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour as a point of reference (cos im a fan lol), which had a revamp following the release of the Beyoncé album. Theknine2 (talk) 05:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

"Female Rage: The Musical" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Female_Rage:_The_Musical&redirect=no Female Rage: The Musical] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Theknine2 (talk) 07:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 May 2024
On the set-list section, it hasn't been updated to the current Europe set-list, so I would recommend fixing that so that people don't get confused. Thank you. 2A0A:EF40:10CB:5201:C99C:DA10:AE11:553 (talk) 19:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 20:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Concert synopsis/May 2024 onwards: typo
The Tortured Poets Department release date was April 19, 2024. The date marked in the article in section Concert synopsis/May 2024 onwards is April 29, 2024. Probably a typo? Would need to change "April 29, 2024" to "April 19, 2024". 195.83.139.7 (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Add The Eras Tour new poster
I've noticed that new Tour poster that features The Tortured Poets Department hasn't been added in here. May I ask why? If not, is it possible if it can be added in the article? Here's the one from Poland if needed: Taylor Swift | The Eras Tour | Koncerty Pop | bilety na eBilet.pl Gabriel0901 (talk) 06:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)