Talk:The Expendables (2010 film)

Roger Moore is not in this film
Someone is crediting Roger Moore as "James St. John Smyth". No news has reported his involvement.

Also Steve Austin/Dan Paine and Mickey Rourke/Emmanuel are not members of the Expendables, so I am moving them to Other Cast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dignam (talk • contribs) 10:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect character names
Confirmed by Stallone, via Ain't It Cool New's website, the character played by Terry Crews is Hale Caesar, no character by the name Agent Will Sands exists. Likewise, Randy Couture's character is not one of the Expendables, when in fact he is a henchman by the name Toll Road.

Cast list
I cleaned up the cast list, because some of those character descriptions where entirely innacurrate, also Danny Trejo and Scott Adkins are NOT in this movie. Schwarzenegger's cameo role is unconfirmed. Toll Road's allegences are not confirmed. Dignam (talk) 03:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

AICN has no mention that "fan reaction" was the cause of booting 50 Cent/casting Terry Crews. Socby19 (talk) 16:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Danny Trejo
Trejos agent confirmed he is not in the movie, I've removed him from the cast. There was no source anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.66.237 (talk) 00:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a reference to support that?The Editor 155 (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Trejo is not in this movie. He turned it down because he didn't get the money he asked for. Every time I delete him from the cast, someone keeps reverting my edits. Please stop this. (193.75.51.69 (talk) 11:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC))

He's right. Trejo is NOT in this movie. How many bloody times? Everytime I edit it, someone puts him back in as well. Both Trejo and his agent have confirmed this. God... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.213.124 (talk) 20:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

STOP putting Danny Trejo back in the cast list
It has been confirmed twice to be untrue. Some moron insists on returning his name to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.213.124 (talk) 15:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Arnold
Arnold Schwarzenegger is has NOT been classified as a bar patron in the movie. He is most likely playing himself, but all we know is that he is going to be in a cameo role. The K.O. King (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Can we all agree on Arnold's name in the film? Stallone clearly says 'bigger Trent Mauser'. Trench was an earlier name, like when Jet Li was originally Kong Bao but then became Ying Yang. Dignam —Preceding undated comment added 01:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC).

General Schwarzenegger
How sure is anyone that Arnold IS playing a retired general in his cameo? Please, respond ASAP!!! The K.O. King (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello, is anyone there? The K.O. King (talk) 16:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I am removing the information about Schawarzenegger being a General, as there are no links reporting this.  Yearsago (talk) 14:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Found source for info about Arnold: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42102  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yearsago (talk • contribs) 17:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't he make a campaign promise not to do movies while he was governor? Not that I'm gullible enough to believe politicians, but I always get a laugh out of blatant lies. 71.161.62.48 (talk) 19:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Then you must laugh more than any human being alive. Welcome to America! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.86.230.202 (talk) 18:27, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It is only a small cameo - even redal politicians do things like that ! -- 169.158.84.254 (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Official HD Trailer
"On October 13, the HD trailer was officially released online." I flagged this as citation needed as I have never seen any announcement anywhere of an official HD trailer. This was replaced by two links to the LEAKED trailer, which is neither official nor HD. Can someone explain why this is still stated as fact here, or do I have to keep changing it? Psyklax (talk) 11:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Little of this is encyclopedic
The majority of this article is either speculation or PR puff. Blog chat, rumours, supposed leaks, It's not a pretty sight. Does anyone already involved who knows what a WKP entry is and isn't want to slap this article into respectable shape before I call in the professionals? Not a lot of what is currently on the page will survive, trust me. I understand that some people are fans, and are looking forward to this movie, but WKP can and must do better than this - this not the IMDB newsdesk. Centrepull (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

R rating or PG13
I've seen this quote pop up on the internet:

The R rated cut was screen tested to resounding success. According to unit publicist Sheryl Main's Twitter, "One thing for sure the expendables is not pg-13!!!

Can someone find a source and if it's true insert it into the article? 89.150.187.161 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Jackie Chan
There has been a few attempts to add information that Jackie Chan was offered a role in The Expendables based on, but I have reverted it because the source only says that Jackie Chan is missing from the movie in a list of action stars, but does not say that he was offered a role. If anyone would like to discuss the issue, feel free to talk about it here. Angryapathy (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I concur with the revert. Info about Chan shouldn't included unless there is a relevancy to it, such as him being offered a role and being turned down. It would be like adding information in an article about the Moon about how Justin Timberlake hasn't been there. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 13:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Chuck Norris and others
Like Chan, does anyone know if Norris was offered a part? I don't think this movie contains "all the heroes" as they advertise. I was just wondering if there is any info on Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan, Mr. T, Hulk Hogan, The Rock (Dwayne Johnson), etc. and others being offered/considered (along with other popular wrestlers or action actors) but they turning it down like Steven Seagal, Wesley Snipes and Jean-Claude Van Damme did. If so, please add to article if relevant. Thank you. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 01:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Personal note: Would have been interesting to see Clint Eastwood make a cameo saying "Make my day" or "get off my lawn"! (SMILE) 63.131.4.149 (talk) 02:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

During ComicCon, Stallone said he did consult with Norris. DaChoppa (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Thank you for the info. Perhaps due to Chuck's religious view/beliefs, he did not participate. That is just personal speculation though. Do you have a source from Stallone about consulting Norris via Comic-Con? I'm not familiar with that organization. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 08:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to be rude, but this is info you could suss out on your own anon63; we aren't a rumor bucket. If you cannot cite it, it doesn't belong here. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan forum. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 12:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Sequel and unreliable sources
The sequel section has been edited alot, but I cannot find any sources that are not blogs which discuss the info. And per WP:CRYSTAL, it's all idle speculation about whether a sequel will actually be produced before the movie actually hits theatres. So I've removed the section, and think we should strive for better sources for the information. Angryapathy (talk) 18:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Country
"...are sent on a mission to a South American country..."

What country is this? 201.51.131.86 (talk) 01:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Dude, no one in the entire world cares. Try to get a grip on yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.31 (talk) 04:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Dude, I got something for you to get a grip on. I am sure we can both enjoy ourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.86.230.202 (talk) 17:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Unsigned: Yikes, relax. This is a talk page. No need for attitude in reply to someone's innocent question. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 02:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

It's an island in the gulf, not South America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.3.203 (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I think calling it a "South American island in the Gulf of Mexico" (which is in North America, duh!) fits the logic of the movie perfectly. The "Spanish" spoken in the movie (by everybody except Giselle Itie and one of the guards, who speaks idiomatic Mexican Spanish) sounds like it was translated by an internet auto-translate program, and spoken in a variety of accents from Brazilian to Bronx to "hey I'm just a body actor." It's an action movie! Check your brain at the door, sit back & enjoy. --Potosino (talk) 02:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Box Office
Hey there, BoxOfficeMojo is reporting that The Expendables has made $35,000,000 on opening weekend, opening at No. 1. Can this change please be made? DaChoppa (talk) 17:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The budget?
82 million? Someone should source this. If not this information must be deleted. Thedeparted123 (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. Sugar-Baby-Love (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If you would have read in the article you would have seen it was sourced. You don't need references in the infobox, it's clutter.  Mike   Allen   22:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If you don't include references in the Infobox it looks almost the same as when people make things up (or are using budget figures from IMDB which is basically the same thing). There absolutely should be sources in the Infobox or and using WP:NAMEDREFS can keep it from getting too cluttered.
 * The Infobox has since been changed to only list the budget as $80 million. Template:Infobox film says not to cherry pick budget figures. The $82 million should be restored. -- 109.76.135.9 (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * A disruptive editor called User:TropicAces vandalized the budget figure, replacing the LA Times with the unreliable Box Office Mojo, and his deceptive edit summary only mentioned that he was adding the box office gross to the intro. -- 109.76.135.9 (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Bizarrely User:TropicAces fixed his own earlier vandalism, no explanation this time either. -- 109.79.167.172 (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

minor roles for major stars
Is it just me or does it seem they didn't take full advantage of Willis and Schwarzenegger. They got two of the greatest action stars in Hollywood history to star in this movie and they have the most minor roles in the entire film (Willis and the Govenator only appear in once in the movie). So why would these stars have such minor roles when it's a movie staring mostly famous action movie stars when they're some of the most widely known? - It&#39;s for the Lutz (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Schwarzenegger's appearance is understandable considering he's breaking his campaign pledge by even appearing in the movie. In any case, this is not a forum. ggctuk (2005) (talk) 13:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * They are cameo appearances ! That's the whole point. -- 169.158.84.254 (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Adamjdick, 15 August 2010
Please change, "The results were unexpected for a film expected to only have a limited APPEAR to male moviegoers." to, "The results were unexpected for a film expected to only have a limited APPEAL to male moviegoers". It is a simple spelling error. Thank you.

Adamjdick (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Dabomb87 (talk) 23:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

"Yang gains an advantage when he and Jensen enter an ARE marked low clearance" should read "Yang gains an advantage when he and Jensen enter an AREA marked low clearance"; an area, not an are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.223.111 (talk) 06:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Good catch. Got it. Although I did misspell my edit summary.  Heh.   Millahnna (mouse)  talk  06:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

More Info
Does anybody else think that the plot could have more info? I will add to it later on but I could use help. The K.O. King (talk) 19:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's fine right now but did you have some specific details in mind? We want to avoid getting into too many specifics per WP:FILMPLOT and WP:PLOTSUM but if there's something that you feel is unclear we can all take a look at those elements.  Millahnna (mouse)  talk  19:17, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to add anything too drastic like punch by punch deatails of the fights that took place. But you may have noticed that I mentioned that Toll killed Paine and Lee and Yang killed the Brit. Befor I mentioned this it only said that Lee. Yang, and Toll killed Paine and the Brit, while accurate it was unclear I jyst think that little things like this could make the page easier to understand. The K.O. King (talk) 00:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I saw you do that one and I definitely see what you mean now. Sometimes not getting into the specifics of who killed whom works fine and sometimes it makes thing confusing.  Good job on being  bold.  :D  Millahnna (mouse)  talk  01:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I might add a little more later but I don't know if it really needs it that's why I said might. Should I mention the fight between Stallone and Austin (Ross and Paine)? Just want your opinion on that. The K.O. King (talk) 13:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

So this scene between Paine and Ross be added or not? 67.76.175.101 (talk) 13:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Artwork
What is the name of the artist whom Gisele Itie's character is given credit for in the movie?24.121.18.142 (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Trench vs. Trent Mauser
There have been about a dozen revisions changing the name "Trench" to "Trent" or "Trent Mauser". I originally noticed this detail when I watched the movie, but figured it would just get removed for lack of a reference. However, after seeing several youtube videos (which, of course, don't count for sources), it seems the character's named of Trent Mauser is common knowledge. --Boycool (talk) 11:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Soon as we get a reliable source for it I'll change it myself. :-)  Geoff B (talk) 21:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

There wont be a reliable source until either the DVD or the sequel. So why are you content with posting clearly false information then? By the same logic we can change Jet Li's name back to Kong Bao because the only definitive evidence right now is on Youtube. Dignam (talk) 09:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

How 'bout this? --Boycool (talk) 11:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I love you! Gotta appreciate Sly's genius when coming up with names. Are you going to update the page and Arnie's filmography? Dignam (talk) 13:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * There wont be a reliable source until either the DVD or the sequel. - Whoops. Egg on your face.
 * So why are you content with posting clearly false information then? - Wikipedia's concern is with facts, not truth. See WP:RS.
 * By the same logic we can change Jet Li's name back to Kong Bao - No, we can't, because I have sourced info that says it's Yin Yang.
 * the only definitive evidence right now is on Youtube. - Flat out wrong. Geoff B (talk) 15:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Sore loser much? You might as well go to every page of every single movie and source the character name of every single cast member if you're going to act like that. This place was designed to help people, not lie to them. Dignam (talk) 01:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Citations aren't really needed for cast members where the film has already been released. Just like for plot sections, the film is the reference point when it comes to the character's name. Although it's great that there are citations that do state the name, the citation would be better off for sourcing other parts of the article or expanding information. Usually citations are included for character names for upcoming film titles, and even then, the citation is mainly for the actor/actress portraying the role. If there is continual reverts now with the current correct name, then I'd recommend keeping the citation to the home media release. Otherwise, the fact that the film has already been released and clearly states it is sufficient. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:28, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

These constant reverts back to "Trench" are getting annoying. Perhaps if we mentioned that Yin Yang was originally named "Kong Bao" and Trent Mauser was "Trench", people would leave it alone? --Boycool (talk) 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

His name is Trench. All you have to do is watch the DVD with the subtitles on. Arnold says "Big Barney Ross" to which Stallone replies "Bigger Trench mouse". Seriously, the name is TRENCH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.20.69 (talk) 17:50, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Any hearing person can tell that Barney says, "Bigger Trent Mauser". Look. Seriously. --Boycool (talk) 18:01, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm just saying, watch the movies with subtitles and tell me i'm wrong. Yes, it does sound like Trent Mauser, but the subtitles make it clear the name is Trench. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.20.69 (talk) 00:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, it does say Trench on the subtitles. Why don't people believe that that is his name? Even on IMDB it is Trench. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.250.61.141 (talk) 18:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Subtitles are rarely entirely accurate, especially in a scene with two of Hollywood's worst mumblers, Arnie and Sly Stallone. IMDb users usually go off the very first spoiler they can find and never update. --Boycool (talk) 21:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

yea, funny how all the other subtitles are correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.45.60.158 (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You should see Fearless. --Boycool (talk) 11:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

if you look at anything for the Expendables 2 it's pretty much confirmed that it's TRENCH and not TRENT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.20.69 (talk) 23:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've always thought it was Trent. That's unquestionably what Stallone says in the church. As for people using the subtitles as evidence for the definitive use of Trench, I direct them to certain DVD copies of Saving private Ryan, where the subtitles totally mis-translate the military term 'defilade' as 'duffel-a', which is not only incorrect, it isn't even a real word.--Leigh Burne (talk) 12:23, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

This has long been an issue due to people mishearing Schwartzenegger's name in the last movie. But his name is TRENCH. It's on the OFFICIAL movie site and everything. Just go tohttp://theexpendables2film.com/, and look under cast and crew. Why do people still question this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.250.242.180 (talk) 17:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
With this edit, 75.204.153.74 vandalized the article and removed the entire "external links" section. I was unable to revert this edit, however, because one of the links was a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist. Help. --Boycool (talk) 00:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. --Boycool (talk) 00:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Bruce Willis quote
Should it be noted that Stone Cold Steve Austin did not actually "take" any bullets? It was actually Dolph Lundgren's character who was shot. --Boycool (talk) 00:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The Expendables 2
Oh, shit ! Who removed the artcile «The Expendables 2» ? What are the reasons ? - The Castbreeder (talk) 08:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The notability guidelines for future films say to create an article about a film if it begins filming. In the meantime, development content can be housed at another article, such as the first film's article, a film series article, or the source material's article. The "Sequel" section here works well; you can add content that was at the sequel's article to here. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 11:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * There is discussion about the sequel at Talk:The Expendables 2. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 12:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

It began filming on 23 September 2011. It's eligible for it's own page now, right? Dignam (talk) 11:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have a reliable source (not IMDb). --Boycool (talk) 11:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.sofiaecho.com/2011/09/30/1166153_the-boys-are-back-in-town-for-the-expendables-2 This newspaper article says they'll start October 3rd. Is that sufficient? Dignam (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think so. --Boycool (talk) 12:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Plot cutdown
I cut the bloated Plot to under 700 words per WP:PLOT. Thanks JTBX (talk) 11:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

This film does NOT have an ensemble cast
In Hollywood, the PR people have lately discovered the phrase "ensemble cast", and have started to use it instead of the older term "all-star cast". Unfortunately, lots of Wiki editors then follow suit and use the same term, just because the studio's PR department likes to use it. However, The Expendables does not have en ensemble cast according to the established definition. An ensemble cast means a cast where the principal actors are assigned roughly equal amounts of importance and screen time. In this film, Sylvester Stallone totally dominates, with Statham and Li doing much of the rest, while the remaining cast has hardly any dialogue or individual screen time (i.e. screen time on their own, without any of those three being present and dominating the scene). This film is a classic example of "all star" casting, i.e. you add a number of well-known stars to the cast, but many of them have basically just cameo roles, such as Mickey Rourke, Bruce Willis and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

TV soaps are typical examples of ensemble casting, where different episodes may concentrate on different characters. Also, a few of the big "all star" features from the 1960s and 1970s may be regarded as ensemble productions, such as the WWII movies The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far, where the focus shifts between different characters, and where you can't identify one or two of them as being the leading actors. In this film, however, one actor (Stallone) dominates and two more (Statham and Li) function as his support cast. Together, these three account for more than 80% of the action and the dialogue - and thus, by definition, it can't be regarded an ensemble film.

I'm writing this because JDDS has just reverted my 16 July change of the first sentence, when I changed it from "The Expendables is a 2010 American ensemble action film written by..." to "The Expendables is a 2010 American action film written by...", and he commented the revert by stating: "This is an ensemble film. At least discuss first." So let's discuss it, although nobody has ever said that every minor change to a Wiki article should be discussed first. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If you replace ensemble with all-stars, I won't complain. Secondly, while Stallone, Statham and Li have the biggest roles, Lundgren, Roberts, Couture and Crews all have pretty notable roles, while Austin, Carpenter, Zayas and Itié have more than just a cameo. I highly doubt that Statham, Li and Stallone account for anywhere near 80% of the action and dialogue. Finally, several sources (I'm not going to list them because I'm not sure if they're considered reliable) refer to the movie having an ensemble cast. There's even more sources (some of them are defiantly reliable) calling the second film an ensemble film, so don't try to change that one. JDDJS (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2023
Re: The Brian Tyler chronology under Music. He did not compose the score for Skyline, his previous score was Law Abiding Citizen and his next score was Battle: Los Angeles. Change previous title to Law Abiding Citizen and year to 2009. Add next title, Battle: Los Angeles, and year 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.241.140 (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - confirmed that he did not compose the score for Skyline. Added links to the soundtrack articles instead of the film articles.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2024
Remove the red links of The Glamsham in 6 reference! 2804:1B3:9600:EBDB:28D2:1293:4DAB:3C53 (talk) 07:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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