Talk:The Exploited

Pro-fascist?
i agree with the biased and fishy remark. the part about inarticulate politics is correct, but i think the suggestion that they are pro-fascist is wrong. (hitler's in the charts, i think, is pretty clearly against the rise of neo-nazi punk rock.)

britannia waives the rules isn't an exploited album, it's a compilation album (and a good one).

whooa.... this article is biased and fishy... yeah this page isnt acurate its wrong they had way more albums than that

This article is way too based on the writer's opinions. Someone needs to revise it with all of their albums mentioned. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 14:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Go right ahead and add them. And make any other changes you think are necessary. -R. fiend 15:07, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Why? Did you write the article? Because you seemed pissed off about my comment. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 13:57, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Not pissed off. Just encouraging you to add the albums. I wrote some of the article, and I included the albums I knew. I stopped listening to them after The Massacre, which I thought was a disappointing album. I know Live at the Whitehouse and War Now are missing (the former being a live album isn't as important as the others, but could still be listed, and War Now is an EP, and I forget what year it was ('86?)). I wasn't even sure they were still around, really, but I guess as long as Wattie has a voice he'll find three guys to back him up. Anyway, it's a wiki, so you can change whatever you want. Just keep it neutral/balanced, don't gush about how great the band is, and make sure your information is verifiable and not overly trivial. Alter away. -R. fiend 15:38, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Since I first read the stub some months ago this article has gotten a lot better, so just give it some more time and input. I just added the info from the albums I got, if you have more insight than please just put it in here. I agree though that the article is biased, but it's kinda hard to find some actual facts about their history (Quibus 09:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC))

WP:NMG
Per WP:NMG could you please add some sales figures for the albums. Thanks - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 13:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

There are several factual inaccuracies and substantial bits of info missing. For example, the original guitarist 'Big John' is not cited at all - he was a major influence. The Exploited were at the hub of the second wave of punk in the UK and were prominent and possibly the most successful band of that time. When I get the chance i will dig out my original copy of 'Punks Not Dead' (I'm the one giving the 'v' sign on the cover picture and update this.

They also charted in the UK charts in ?1981 and did Top of the Pops! Big John later left as Wattie was doing too much glue and eventually heroin. The group also got into some odd noteriety by hanging out with Jimmy Boyle a famous Scottish gang member and violent criminal, who had reformed and became an artist.

Big John went on to be in other groups after leaving The Exploited (according to the official Exploited website he was briefly in Nirvana (think he was second guitarist around the time of recording of the Unplugged album, but Pat Smear appeared live instead and JD was gtr tech) and also I think he may have been involved with Garbage (not Garbage, but was gtr in Shirley Manson's previous band Goodbye Mr Mackenzie, and before this THE BLOOD UNCLES).

What about "Jesus is dead EP(1986)" this a very important EP, because is not "Single" like "War Now(1988)", this EP don't have any remix ("War Now" have remix version of "Sexual Favours"). Also Exploited was a great influence to the "Trash Metal" music, as you know, "Trash Metal" is a consequence of make a "crossover" of heavy metal and punk





so everyone agrees that The Exploited were a racist band? What the F*** is up with that? What kind of white power bonehead s*** like them? I don't see how this can be true. Just becuase a track has Hitler's name in it, doesn't make it a racist song. And why are they a seminal rock band? What does seminal mean?
 * Seminal means incredibly important in the creation of ____. Similar root as semen (no, I'm not joking or trying to be obscene, that is a good way to remember it). It usually refers to art or literature. Examples: The Sex Pistols were a seminal punk rock band. Nirvana was a seminal grunge band. Huckleberry Finn was a seminal piece of American literature, etc. The Ungovernable Force 01:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Consider a sentence like this one: "Originally a street punk band, they transformed into a faster hardcore punk band with a heavy political influence. From about 1987 on (around the time of Death Before Dishonour) they changed into a crossover thrash band." Can you honestly say that means anything to someone who doesn't already know who Exploited is? This is just another fan page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.128.53 (talk) 18:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Right-wing (and Anarcho-punk) allegations
I put a verify tag on this page a few days ago, and I'm going to remove the unsourced allegations that The Exploited have had anything to do with right-wing circles. I've always thought they were an up-and-down anarchist band. mg e kelly 03:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Too right they were an up-and-down anarchist band! They had a song called I Believe In Anarchy, put anarchy A's on bloody everything and suppoted Class War!


 * As you did with the right wing allegations, i'm doing it with anarcho-punk, please cite the sources that shows that they've been involved with the anarcho-punk community, because all the anarcho-punk communities i know would kick the exploited asses if they had the chance. having just a song doesn't with the word anarchy in its title don't make them anarchists, and much less anarcho-punks. --Cacuija (my talk) 06:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Very Funny. So you anyone can claim they are racist because of ironic songs, but not anarchists even if they have song like that. Your statement about "anarcho-punk communities" makes me laugh. The Exploited are the fathers of the second wave of punk. Every punk own them something. Only newbies who know nothing and came after everything was done can claim : "you don't know what real punk is, you're not like me, me, me !". This kind of assumptions seems pretty racist to me. hello 08:00, 15 june 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.250.140.248 (talk)


 * Ooops.. look who's there. Cacuija (my talk) 02:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see Wattie doing anythong wrong on that pic, just the idiots behind his back. So it doesn't prove a thing (or disprove either)
 * The whole discussion above is just what made me sick of the whole anarchist movement of nowadays: self-righteous snobs condemming everything and everyone that's not 100% like themselves as "wrong" and "thus fascist", based on hear-say information and quotes out of context as "prove". They could even turn Dead Kennedies to fascists with that method ("California uber alles"). Now go and shout as much as u like with your anarchist uniform, but please try to keep wikipedia neutral and verifiable. PS. and if u happen to see nazi-skins at an Exploited gig, just kick the shit out of them. Morgothréd (talk) 00:04, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The Exploiteds' own website contain a statement that clears up any ambiguity. it states " we are against facism, we are agaisnt racism. our message to all nazis, nazi punks and intolerant left-facists - F*** off" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.89.27.224 (talk) 13:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Tony Thomson Lochiel
Sad to say that Tony died this past weekend, he had cancer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SimpleLinctus (talk • contribs) 20:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

Neutrality
Removed the neutrality-tag, since the bias issue seems to be solved. Citation still very much needed though... Quibus (talk) 11:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Genre
I consider The Exploited to be these genres based on their sound: Hardcore punk, punk metal, crossover thrash,street punk(early), oi!(early) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.214.78 (talk) 23:54, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Please end your post with four tildes (~) to sign it. You've got several warnings on your talk page to stop disruptive editing of genres so I removed your recent changes. Wikipedia is about facts, not opinions. Quibus (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

A British Institution
It doesn't matter whether you are into Jazz, Blues, Metal, Techno, Handel or Smetana - there's good music and bad music. You have to admit, whatever walk of life you are from, that the Exploited make damn good music. I don't know anyone who lived in the UK when I was there who hasn't heard of them. They are an elemental force in the world of music, and much loved in Britain. It's great to hear they are still going strong. —83.208.165.249 (talk) 20:19, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I took the liberty to move your post here since it's custom to place new posts at the bottom of a page; please sign your posts (using four ~ tildes) (more info on Talk page guidelines). Glad to hear you like The Exploited but this is not the place for general conversation WP:NOTAFORUM, I put a warning on your talk page . If you have some quality info though, please add it to the article. Quibus (talk) 13:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Genres
The exploited are hardcore punk and crossover thrash, but in their early years they were street punk and Oi!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 23:53, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment, but what's your point? You're references come from Wikipedia itself, so that actually makes it still not properly sourced. Quibus (talk) 07:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The exploited, they ARE oi!. They were originally signed to oi! labels and were part of the 80s oi! scene and had been labelled as one of the first oi! bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 00:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No sources, so again, what's your point? Please stop being a WP:DICK, stop trying to make a WP:POINT, read your talk page and try to act according to all the warnings you received. — Quibus (talk) 14:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Oi! genre
The Exploited should be added Oi! (early) to their genre. They are one of the pioneers of Oi!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 00:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC) And according to their website, they are considered the pioneers of Oi!.


 * For the nth time: sign your posts, read your talk page, read the warnings, read the comments on article talk pages where you also posted, learn how to ref and learn what sites are proper sources (this fansite you came up with isn't one and the Exploited page doesn't mention Oi!). Please stop your disruptive behaviour. Thank you, — Quibus (talk) 10:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Oi!
They are Oi!. DO NOT REMOVE IT FROM THE GENRE LISTING! I HAVE ALREADY PUT A SOURCE CITATION FOR IT AND A CONSENSUS FOR IT HAS FINALLY BEEN REACHED! IF YOU REMOVE IT EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE BACK THERE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • 5:52, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Please provide evidence of this consensus being reached. Furthermore, your declaration of it "eventually being back there" smacks of edit warring, and does not help your case. –  Richard  BB  22:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Mohican
Should there be something said here about the band trademark Mohican style that did distinguish them from the first generation punk bands? Being a 1980 Punk (rocker) putting up my Mohican made all the difference! I also have the idea Punk became more and more synonymous to the hardcore scene while before 1980 punk music contained a much wider range of styles and influences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.142.245 (talk) 21:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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