Talk:The Fault in Our Stars (film)/Archive 1

CGI
How about a section on CGI? How much CGI was there in the movie? One scene I wonder about was the plane landing scene in Amsterdam. How did they get that camera angle? Was it CGI?

Victor Engel (talk) 23:33, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Plot
This movie is missing plot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.49.19.161 (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✔️ Zhaofeng Li [ talk... contribs... ] 14:23, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌: A well written plot, but lacking any citation. Own research is not permitted!  Surrey John    (Talk) 09:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Copy edit
I've started a new section since I think more than a quick 'grammar fix' is needed (especially if you want to retain ALL content), reading the posts above, I see that neither Captain nor Anti are native English, so you've done pretty well to get this far!

Having said that, some parts are very difficult to understand at present and not clearly organised (not 'readable'). IF I have time, and IF we can work together, I can TRY to do some fixing, a bit at a time, respecting that this is YOUR article and you make the decisions. I'm not on the 'official' copy editors list, but I have helped out on a few 'non-English' articles. Overall first impression is that detail is SOMETIMES excessive, made worse by 'improvable' organisation of content. Pincrete (talk) 08:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC) … … … ps I will NOT be offended if you prefer to get someone else to help on 'copy-editing', who may have more time. Pincrete (talk) 09:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I would say to wait please, and don't mind. Actually GA reviewer had already requested the article for copy-edit, so I would say to wait until someone shows up, otherwise you'll good to do. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * : I have to say that a few sections, are very difficult to understand

Casting text

 * My logic was to seperate the 'REAL casting' from 'speculation about casting' … … I've gone back to sources when I was unsure of meaning, for this reason I changed the wording on speculation, since the source doesn't say much more than 'rumour' about the possibility of Woodley or Steinfeld playing the lead . Pincrete (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Story details
I would suggest a re-titling of this section, since we don't know which story is meant (the main story, or the story within the story), also, there aren't many details. Why not just call the section by the name of the fictional book? Pincrete (talk) 22:21, 6 October 2014 (UTC) ✅

Differences film/book
I'm afraid I don't understand what the FIRST part of this sentence means: Hazel tries to find around Gus staring at her, .............. while in the film, they meet each other on the way to their support group. Pincrete (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Antidiskriminator, Captain Assassin!, I NEED answers to the question immediately above, other than that, I have FINISHED the grammar/phrasing edit. I am NOT an official copy-editor, so will NOT be offended if you get someone else to check. I am going to CHANGE the 'Story details' sub-section for the reasons I give above. Pincrete (talk) 08:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with Pincrete, that sentence is confusing. Does it mean something like "Hazel sees that Gus is staring at her?" because "Hazel tries to find around Gus staring at her" sounds like Hazel is desperate to get Gus to look at her. I've never read the book but still I get a feeling that there is something with that sentence.-- Chamith  (talk)  09:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, sub-section's title is good now. And I'm going to work on that sentence in "Differences film/book." -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 09:33, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've done the copy-edit of that sentence. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 09:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I've slightly re-phrased, to put the subject (meeting) at the beginning of sentence. In 'Imp Affl' I've also re-added the 'purpose' of the story-in-the-story, and changed it to a sub-section of plot, while it DOES go slightly outside 'plot', it didn't seem to deserve a whole section. By all means revert anything you don't like. I'm finished I think. Pincrete (talk) 11:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am grateful to all editors helping with copy editing of this article. Wikipedia is based on collaboration of multiple editors and positive contribution of every editor is more than welcome. I am sorry because I can not clarify the meaning of the above mentioned sentences. Maybe some other (copy)editor will be able to understand them and correct them, if necessary, or maybe author of those sentences ( I suppose?) will clarify them.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:11, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

She didn't persuade her parents

 * PLOT TEXT. I'm not sure whether I have given this the right meaning, "The medical team argues against the trip but eventually comply with Hazel's wishes and persuade her parents to allow the trip". Pincrete (talk) 19:21, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The sentence "but eventually persuade her parents to allow the trip" is false. From what I've seen she gives up on her trip she even tells her mom to send an email to Genies(the organization which grants the wishes) to tell that the trip was about to get cancelled. But instead her mom surprises her by saying that they are going on that trip-- Chamith  (talk)  12:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I 'fixed' this using the book page, see 'Plot text' above. Actually the text implies the Doctors persuade, but fix this as necessary since I don't know story AT ALL. Pincrete (talk) 13:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC) ''ps I hope you don't mind, I've changed this to a sub-section of Copy-edit

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 * : Copy-editing of this page is being done by Baffle gab1978 from the guild of copy-editors. Pincrete and him/her can work together to fix errors on this page. I'm taking a short wiki-break due to college and other stuff, So I might not be able to help you guys.-- Chamith  (talk)  14:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I won't be offended if Baffle gab1978, does it on their own. My own contribution was mainly to clarify phrasing, and since I DON'T know the story, Baffle might be better off conferring with someone who does. Pincrete (talk) 15:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I saw this section after I made some changes to the plot section (after just having seen the film; this sentence was among my changes), so apologies if someone else was already working on it. I probably could have made the "persuaded" part more explicit (her parents persuade the doctors, right?), but the rest should be more accurate. --Fru1tbat (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you did some copy editing to the page. I don't get what you meant by "Her doctors initially will not let her travel, but are eventually persuaded to allow the trip". From what I've seen doctors doesn't allow her to go on that trip no matter what she said. It was organized by Hazel's mom against the doctors prescription. She let hazel go on trip even doctors said no. I don't think they persuaded doctors to get approval. Because doctors only prescribe what's best for their patients they don't create rules for patients.-- Chamith  (talk)  13:17, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * When Hazel's mother reveals that the trip is still on, I'm fairly certain she mentions that the doctors (or at least Hazel's primary doctor?) are OK with it, i.e. that they had been convinced to "allow" it. I suppose her doctors can't entirely prevent her from going, but they can definitely order her not to, and it's customary in general to follow a doctor's orders (whether or not there are legal repercussions for not doing so). --Fru1tbat (talk) 13:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I simply got the sentence from the novel page, fix as need be. Pincrete (talk) 15:37, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Which letter ?
Re the sentence in diffs book-film, Hazel runs around looking for the letter, while in the film, Van Houten gives it to her .... Which letter? Needs clarifying I think. Pincrete (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Good point. Thanks Pincrete.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Neutrality on Critical response section
The Critical response section of the article indicates that the film had some measure of negative critique, but fails to represent it adequately. Positive responses are near exclusively represented, save for part of the sentence in the first review, which is nevertheless a positive review along with all the others. I think relevant critiques should be added and some of the superfluous praise removed. Pollenatedweasel (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The negative reviews are few and far between, off-hand I havent read or seen one yet myself. If you find one add. Murry1975 (talk) 19:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Here's a reference to a review in HemOnc Today that criticizes the movie for being too pessimistic about cancer, and a response the parent of a daughter who died of cancer http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/06/criticizing-fault-stars-childhood-cancer-disservice.html --Nbauman (talk) 21:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Just to point out that the prev. appears to be a blog, therefore not RS. Pincrete (talk) 10:08, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Also to point out that there is a whole para of negative/sceptical reviews, beginning with 'Bradshaw', most of the negative seems to be similar, questioning the excessive sentimentality of the film. Pincrete (talk) 10:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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