Talk:The Fifth Estate (TV program)

Comments
it would be nice to have some information on the content of the show, in terms of its 'tone', editorial policy, political leanings, presentation style, etc, and why (or not) its considered worth distributing around the world.

doesnt the lower case spelling conflict with E(?)nglish language rules?

Note: The hyperlink to the journalist named Peter Reilly leads to a fictional character named Peter Reilly with no mention of the actual journalist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.34.112 (talk) 01:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of title
What does "the fifth estate" refer to? I know of the traditional three estates: the nobility, the clergy and the commoners, does this have anything to do with that? Arcticwoman 16:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if you found out the answer to your question by now, but the Fifth Estate refers to the media, more typically known as the Fourth Estate. Either name can (5th or 4th) can refer to the media, which is why the network chose this name. If you want to find out more, go to this link, Fourth Estate. Hope that helps. (Grizzwald 19:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

Current hosts?
The article ought to identify which of the long list of personalities are the current hosts of the show. 121a0012 (talk) 05:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. The Legend of Miyamoto (talk) 04:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Broadcast Rights Outside Canada?
Do we know who has broadcast rights for the series outside of Canada? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.47.100.139 (talk) 02:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

1975?
By IMDb the series started in 1981 and not in 1975 as stated here. What is correct? --Jobu0101 (talk) 18:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The IMDb is wrong (as it often is). It's possible the show might have been syndicated or something in 1981, but the CBC itself recently aired a major TV special marking the 40th anniversary and there are clips online explicitly dated from 1975. Plus I was watching it back then myself. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 13:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   18:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The Fifth Estate (TV series) → The Fifth Estate (TV program) – Television news magazines are considered "television programs" under WP:NCTV, and as even the episodes list at this article makes clear this Canadian newsmagazine is definitely a "TV program" not a "TV series": Non-series television shows... Each episode of an on-going show usually is self-contained with little connection to other episodes, other than title, format, hosts, and other on-air personalities. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:50, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * See also the recent RM discussion at Talk:Panorama (TV programme). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - this is not as clear-cut as IJBall presents, as there is no firm rule that news magazine shows must fall into either (TV series) or (TV program) - the qualities of the individual show must be considered. This show seems to fit some of the hallmarks of WP:NCTV in that it is aired only part of the year, and [is] produced as a set or cycle of episodes usually called a "season". The episodes also have distinct titles, rather than generic numbering or by airdate, as is done for most year-round news magazine shows. This one is more like a series of documentaries, with one or two topics filling the hour, a season which runs from about Sep-Apr, and distinct episode titles. I'm holding my vote for now for more evidence either way. -- Netoholic @ 20:21, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know how you've gotten the idea that "having a TV season" means that a TV show is necessarily a "TV series" – it doesn't. Plenty of non-series television shows actually air with "seasons", Dateline and 60 Minutes being just two examples. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:37, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Technically, the word series means there is a more-or-less-obvious order to a group of items. Since any given episode of the program can be viewed on it's own, indeed without knowledge that other episodes exist, it doesn't meet the definition of series. Kentpollard (talk) 23:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Series in the documentary (Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, Planet Earth (2006 TV series)) or anthology style (The Twilight Zone, Black Mirror) would often fail that requirement because their episodes are independent, but we still call them "series", usually because of their grouping into seasons and their episode titling format. This is why the best we can do is give typical "series" features in the naming convention. This is why RMs are often needed to explore these issues, and why IJBall is wrong in thinking this is so clear-cut. This show exhibits features of a series and a non-series program and secondary sources do mix the two ways of describing it. -- Netoholic @ 06:52, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Anthology shows are special cases because pretty much every source describing those has called them "anthology series", going all the way back to the 1950s. But, despite your claim to the contrary, many – probably most – "documentary" TV shows would properly be categorized as "TV programs" under WP:NCTV, and not as TV series. The fact that some are currently disambiguated with "TV series" doesn't "prove" that all documentary shows are "TV series" – it just shows that either, 1) some of them have enough "series elements" to qualify as "TV series", or 2) that some of them are currently incorrectly disambiguated under NCTV. But my overall claim is basically correct – pretty much all "news magazine" and news-type TV shows should properly be disambiguated with "TV program", not "TV series", under NCTV. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:13, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Clearly not "all" news-type shows are obviously candidates to use "TV program" - your claim is begging the question, really, because it defeats the purpose of us holding this RM. Trying to make bold, far-reaching claims about "all" these types of shows is pointless.  It would be a much better use of everyone's time to look at how this program we're discussing is described in secondary sources and what qualities it has which are evidence for or against the use of "TV series". -- Netoholic @  08:39, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Human beings are human beings, and we make errors all the time. The existence of other items that are similar and labelled on Wikipedia the same as one under discussion isn't really good evidence. Looking at it in isolation, Fifth Estate is a poor fit for the word series. There are going to be other things that are a poor fit, because no-one has challenged them. I doubt the entry will suffer from being labelled "TV series," and maybe there's a better designation than "TV Program" which doesn't exist yet, but is there a good reason to keep calling it a series when it's a poor fit for the actual word? Kentpollard (talk) 14:55, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You're simply stating a conclusion - no sources cited, no additional information, no evidence. -- Netoholic @ 18:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom - episodes stand independently. Program is more appropriate -- Whats new?(talk) 09:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Entry is a poor fit for "series." Kentpollard (talk) 14:55, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - under the current WP:NCTV, this is more of a "TV program" then a "TV series". Kentpollard's distinction is pretty convincing. --Gonnym (talk) 18:25, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


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Past hosts
I see the "Current Hosts" are listed, but this is a nearly 50 year show, would be nice to be able to view past hosts, in a colourful table format, as with actors in other tv shows, rather than just a random list of related journalists. Tallard (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2023 (UTC)