Talk:The Flash (film)/Archive 1

Reliable Casting Sources
Hey, so recently after the casting of Sasha Calle as Supergirl, it recently got me thinking about who else will be showing up in The Flash film. So, I did a bit of digging, and I discovered that, according to official sources, the only confirmed cast members are Ezra Miller, Ben Affleck, Michael Keaton, and potentially Billy Crudup (since he was in negotiations to reprise the role of Henry Allen). I haven’t found any other official sources about Gal Gadot or Kiersey Clemons Involvement in the project. Or the fact that Zack Snyder, Deborah Snyder, Geoff Johns, and Charles Roven will serve as producers. Not saying that these are necessarily untrue, but until official sources like Hollywood Reporter or Variety confirm this info, I don’t know if these should stay on the page. FilmLover72 (talk) 01:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Gadot was confirmed in a previous version of the film but i don't know if her appearance is still a guarantee. I know Production Listing has her featured but what if they're basing it on the older reports? Rusted AutoParts  02:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That’s mostly likely what’s happening. And I haven’t heard any updates in regards to if Kiersey Clemons is still going to be playing Iris West in the film. FilmLover72 (talk) 11:37, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's safe to go off of Production Listing for now as they have been fairly accurate in their lists. Often times new sources will come out and re-confirm these castings. Since they were from a while ago, it is generally understandable to question them. I would like to point out that Production Listing has had two other pages for the prior versions of this film as "Flashpoint", which are used on this article for the production details, and in those, they previously had Gadot, Clemons, and Crudup, and then they weren't involved under Daley and Goldstein, but for the list on the Muschietti's version, they have since been readded or rejoined. As the list was recently updated at the beginning of this month, it is a fair assessment that it is accurate and the actor's and producer's deals just haven't been reported on in the press, but once they are reaffirmed by reliable sources, we can easily add those sources and info. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The thing that holds me back from agreeing is that Crudup re-entered negotiations in October, indicating the original deal struck was no longer in place. The film has been refigured multiple times that I don't find it safe to assume the same deals are in place. In that same source they say about Clemons "it is unclear whether there is interest (on both sides) or availability for her to return". In the THR report about Sasha Calle, in their cast run-down they mention Miller, Keaton, Affleck and Crudup. Considering Gadot's standing in Hollywood and the DCEU I feel she'd have been mentioned in this article. Rusted AutoParts  17:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not assuming the same deals apply for this film, as we do know Crudup is in talks to return for a new deal. It was jumping the gun based solely on Prod List to readd them as concrete. I've adjusted the article to hide Clemons, Crudup, and Gadot from the billing while noting them as expected. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Late response, but I didn’t mean to say you directly were assuming anything. I feel that in the case of Production Listing they could’ve been assuming. Rusted AutoParts 20:04, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand that now looking back. At least both Crudup and Clemons have now officially signed on, so the Production Listing source is pretty much irrelevant. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Deadline confirms "The Flash" is now filming
In their article on The Muschietti Siblings forming their own production company, Double Team, Deadline says The Flash is now in production/filming: https://deadline.com/2021/04/andy-muschietti-barbara-muschietti-form-production-company-double-dream-1234735897/.

Along with the provided link above, here is the quote from the article saying production has begun:

"Double Dream’s production slate includes The Flash, directed by Andy Muschietti, produced by Barbara Muschietti and Michael Disco, and executive produced by Marianne Jenkins with Ezra Miller starring for Warner Bros. and DC Films. The movie is already in production over in London."

With this being from a reliable source, I was hoping we could take the wiki page for "The Flash" movie out from being a draft and into a full official Wikipedia page. Can we make that happen? Please? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarvelDisney20 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Article title
It worth noting that the page is currently named "The Flash (2022 film)" even though there is no other film with the title of The Flash. This page needs to be moved to "The Flash (film)", but there is a pre-existing page there which had a redirect to "The Flash in other media". I changed the redirect to direct "The Flash (film)" to this article, but it needs to be reversed. In short: We need this article to be "The Flash (film)" and "The Flash (2022 film)" to redirect to that page. Anyone care to do the work for this? I don't have the time right this moment. Cheers m8s!--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 21:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Technical move requested here. —El Millo (talk) 21:25, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

"The Flash (2021 film)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect The Flash (2021 film). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 18 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Kailash29792 (talk)  04:13, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

"The Flash (2016 film)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect The Flash (2016 film). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 25 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Kailash29792 (talk)  06:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Keaton still not confirmed?
Keaton seemed to indicate in this interview he wasn’t officially committed to the film. Rusted AutoParts 21:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Based on the article, Keaton never states he's not doing the film. The author asks him Reports have you putting on the Batsuit again for The Flash. Why? to which Keaton responds He asks, with three exclamation points and three question marks. Well, now that you put it that way, maybe you’re right. Jesus, what am I thinking about? and then talk about how Keaton jokingly states Well, now I’m nervous all of a sudden. No, now I’m thinking what a stupid freaking idea. and then pointing out the time gap between his portrayal. I'm not seeing anything that calls his casting into question. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's this section that has been wondering:
 * "KEATON: That’s right. No, you know what it is? I am needing a minute to think about it because I’m so fortunate and blessed, I got so much going on now. I’m really into work right now. I don’t know why, but I am, and so, yeah, I mean, you know, to tell you the truth, somewhere on my iPad is an iteration of the whole Flash thing that I haven’t had time yet…I called them and said, I have to be honest with you. I can’t look at anything right now. I’m so deep into this thing I’m doing. Also, I’m prepping a thing I’m producing and getting ready to do down the road in the fall that I’ll be in, and I feel responsible to that. So, yeah, there is that. I’m not being cute or coy. If I talked about it, I’ll be just bullshitting you. I don’t really know. I have to look at the last draft. To be honest with you, you know what worries me more than anything about all this stuff?


 * DEADLINE: What?


 * KEATON: It’s Covid. I’m more concerned. I keep my eye more on the Covid situation in the UK than anything. That will determine everything, and so that’s why I’m living outside the city here on 17 acres, staying away from everybody, because the Covid thing has got me really concerned. So, that’s my first thing about all projects. I look at it and go, is this thing going to kill me, literally? And you know, if it doesn’t, then we talk. Rusted AutoParts  21:48, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Him saying he can't look at anything right now doesn't seem to mean he can't commit to the part. He didn't specify which iteration he has on his iPad, and specifically said he has to look at the last draft. Plus, Variety's report from today reaffirms he's, in fact, part of the cast. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, figured I'd broach it at least. Rusted AutoParts  22:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I think what we should be asking, despite the reporters claims that he's playing Bruce, would be is he actually playing Bruce or Thomas Wayne like in the actual Flashpoint Comic story? I'm not saying we should change anything at the moment just that I think we should stand by for a potential correction. Maxcardun (talk) 12:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Michael Shannon and Antje Traue
Do we trust this information? While it does appear to come from an official Warner Bros. press site., it seems pretty random for for such big casting news to be revealed in a non-descript 2022 preview on the UK version without any confirmation from the U.S. press site. Most articles reporting on this seem to be having varying takes on it from calling it confirmation (usually the less repuatable sites) to a rumour or report, with even this ref that we are using in the article saying "could" rather than taking it as outright information. I haven't seen any site that has gotten confirmation from Warner Bros. after checking with them about the release. It also doesn't look like any of the main trades have picked it up which makes me think they haven't been able to independently verify it yet. I feel that we should be taking this with a grain of salt and not treating it as confirmed until we get independent confirmation. We can still include it, but I think we should remove them from the cast list and just noting in the production section that this supposed cast list was revealed and where. Thoughts? - adamstom97 (talk) 09:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This situation is certainly a strange one. From what I understand, the press release was first sent to outlets via email, and the news was broken on social media by reporters posting screenshots of it (this is where the production credits comes from). A couple hours later, WB published a shorter version of the press release (without production credits, no Batgirl) on their UK website. For whatever reason, WB didn't bother publishing it anywhere else, nor did any outlets post it directly themselves. However, certain information that was revealed in that press release, such as Michael Keaton appearing in Batgirl, was independently verified by THR, Variety, etc., so it does appear to be legitimate. With that said, if a majority of people want to wait on specific confirmation for Shannon and Traue, that's fine by me.
 * Personally, I'm chalking it up to poor management that these seemingly very important castings were all revealed in a random press release. To further that point, they accidentally listed Keaton twice in The Flash cast list, and still haven't corrected it days later. Pre  fall  10:53, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Grace Randolph's reporting
Is this worth adding? https://meaww.com/2022-dceu-end-boycott-wb-trends-batman-superman-dc-comics-supergirl-batgirl-twitter-fans Kailash29792 (talk)  11:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is as big of a controversy as that makes it out to be. If more mainstream sources comment on it then maybe, but at the moment it is just a few angry people on social media. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Plus Grace Randolph is not a reliable source. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ...And the rumours have been debunked: https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-snyderverse-rumor/ Kailash29792 (talk)  13:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Miller Legal Troubles Section?
Isn't it a little odd that there's not a single mention of Miller's many legal troubles this year in the article? I know the studio line is that they are delaying the film because of Covid and visual effects, but the majority of the press around the movie and Miller concern the many controversies the actor is experiencing, so shouldn't those be somewhere in the article? 97.89.153.195 (talk) 12:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * For the most part, their legal troubles are more relevant at their own article than here. We should be only adding stuff here if it directly affects this film, and so far it has been unclear what that would be beyond some speculation. However, there is probably some commentary that we could add to the marketing section about how the film was not promoted at SDCC and how the new Shazam trailer featured the Flash but hid Miller's face. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. While the production studio has not formally acknowledged any impact of the incidents on the film, it is quite clear that the legal troubles of the lead actor of an upcoming film should have a mention in the article for the said film. I agree with adamstom97 that the Marketing section would be most appropriate for this. Karan1311 (talk) 22:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this article proves that their legal troubles is relevant to the film, as they had meetings and are even considering cancelling the film. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 17:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this has already been added. I'm going to take a look now at expanding on that a bit. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Do you think it should be separated into its own subsection within the article? And also, I think you should add the reported emergency meetings as reported by Rolling Stone, and how it was debunked. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 22:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's only one paragraph, so for now I don't think it should have its own section. And those "emergency meetings" were debunked as an exaggeration, as your sources say, so I don't think they should be added. As long as we have all of the actual facts we should be good. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, with that being said, I think we have enough coverage on the subject. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Terence Stamp reprising his role as General Zod
Last month, there was talk of actor Terence Stamp reprising his role as General Zod from Superman (1978) and Superman II (1980), via CGI de-aging technology, according to an article I read on Giant Freakin Robot (https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/terence-stamp-general-zod-flash.html). Now I wonder… what made the actor change his mind about that? AdamDeanHall (talk) 15:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Giant Freaking Robot is an unreliable site, and as such, any information they "report" on should be taken as a grain of salt, which is why I removed the info you added. As this is WP:NOTAFORUM, there is no need to speculate why a rumored actor is not in the movie. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Pre-release
Filmmaker James Gunn called The Flash "probably one of the greatest superhero movies ever made", and actor Tom Cruise loved it so much that he called Muschietti to rave about it.

--2001:1C06:19CA:D600:39A3:2590:B99D:162A (talk) 20:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Do you mean a new section should be opened for this? Or a subsection somewhere? Actualcpscm (talk) 22:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Neither should happen. Of course creatives/executives are going to praise their own work, and Cruise is uninvolved in the production of this film. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * These should not be included as they are not actual reviews, which is what Reception should contain. Pre-release is not reflective of the final release and not needed here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

April 25 2023 release CinCon vs Jun 16??
Why the confusing release info here saying in the InfoBox: Release dates April 25, 2023 (CinemaCon) June 16, 2023 (United States)?? The main Google result to hey when is it coming out, is April 25! -From Peter {a.k.a. Vid2vid (talk | contribs)} 02:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In accordance with WP:FILMRELEASE, the infobox lists (1) the film's earliest release, which in this case is tomorrow at CinemaCon, and (2) its release date in the country where it was produced, which in this case is June 16. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Criticism of early reviews
https://www.thedailybeast.com/critics-under-fire-for-fawning-over-ezra-millers-the-flash?fbclid=IwAR3q_eX5DvYNIgHs0zGbpWaMVjxUowRY3yBwnbM8eI3ml_4tPgYdQvmsT88 2601:240:8400:CF3:9499:5A6B:70E8:18F2 (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Commentary of the reviews themselves don't seem notable. Reviews of the early in-progress cut are also not needed here as the film that was screened was unfinished. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:38, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Revealed characters
Saoirse-Monica Jackson's character is Patty Spivot and Rudy Mancuso's character is Albert Desmond https://www.reddit.com/r/DCSpoilers/comments/y0ud8r/the_flash_prequel_comic_the_flash_the_fastest_man/ https://www.sensacine.com/actores/actor-831965/filmografia/ https://fandomwire.com/ben-affleck-seemingly-has-no-complaints-about-his-5-minute-screen-time-in-the-flash-that-also-stars-michael-keatons-batman/ 190.21.177.84 (talk) 20:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Reddit is not a reliable source, neither are the other two. Please familiarize yourself with WP:Reliable source, WP:Citing sources, and WP:Verifiability before pressing on in posting these WP:RUMORs, which are not allowed on Wikipedia. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sensacine is reliable though, it says that Jackson's chracter is Patty Spivot. And see this source :https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DCEUOtherAmericans this one is reliable too (it says and confirms that Mancuso's character is Albert Desmond) 190.21.177.84 (talk) 20:57, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * TV Tropes is NOT reliable source. LancedSoul (talk) 21:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This source is more reliable:https://parade.com/movies/the-flash-movie 190.21.177.84 (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's just a compiled list of information out on the web and does not back up any information with adequate sourcing. There is WP:NORUSH in adding information to Wikipedia and not all information is confirmed. Please be patient. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The official page of the movie confirmed that these characters are Patty Spivot and Albert Desmond https://twitter.com/FlashFilmNews/status/1658199418988797963 201.188.146.202 (talk) 05:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a fan account. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * But it is verified 164.77.161.26 (talk) 20:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Because they likely bought the checkmark... Twitter verification is not proof of reliability. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Tom Cruise, Stephen King
I continue to believe that we shouldn't be discussing this in the article, it seems like a PR stunt pulled by the marketing team. Including Gunn and Zaslav's comments makes even less sense, of course the creators/owners will sing the praises of their own work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Spelling errors
Seems minor for a Talk page entry, but the article is semi-protected as of now. Under the "Plot" section, the word "imprisoned" is spelled "imrpisoned". There is also "looses" instead of "loses". The article should probably just be proofread when it is able to be edited. Matthewdragonas (talk) 01:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Post credit
Is the post-credit relevant to the plot? Redjedi23 (talk) 10:36, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * It explains that Barry returned to a new version of the "regular" DCEU universe as Aquaman stayed the same and Barry tries to discuss his efffect on the timeline, so yes. 77.64.146.85 (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Nicholas Cage is confirmed as Superman
Sources:https://www.geekmi.news/cine/The-Flash-podria-tener-cameo-de-una-pelicula-de-DC-que-jamas-ocurrio-20230425-0012.html https://www.tomatazos.com/noticias/835367/The-Flash-cameo-de-Nicolas-Cage-como-Superman-habria-sido-confirmado https://lado.mx/noticia.php?id=13008119 190.21.177.84 (talk) 07:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * None of those are WP:Reliable sources. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This journalist says that he will appear and that it is official ; https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uW2DrKCy4kM 190.21.177.84 (talk) 01:02, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is also not a reliable source. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought it was all a meme. Neocorelight (Talk) 01:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Nicolas Cage Superman
His short cameo was made with CG in the same way the ones listed in the paragraph below him are but the article makes it look as if the actor performed this scene. There is also no dialogue outside of an argh scream. He needs to be grouped with the rest of the "artificial intelligence and deepfaking" characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.64.146.85 (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually he did film those scenes. They just de-aged him. 74.117.38.1 (talk) 15:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Battle of Pozharnov
Hi,Qorvos here. I've recently had a chance to look at the official transcript of the Flash and have realised that Bruce and Barry both note of Barry 's time travelling during the Battle of Pozharnov, confirming that Zack Snyder's Justice League is canon to this film.I was going to edit myself, but I seem to have made a mess. Please fix it, but make note of this. Qorvos (talk) 01:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Where are you getting the term 'Battle of Pozharnov'? It's not mentioned in the movie. Unless a reliable source calls it that, it's original research and we can't be making up our own names for things. DonQuixote (talk) 10:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi,Thank You for the feedback.I just happened to hear something like that when watching the film.It is not a mandatory edit, and it doesn't have to be there.I'm not asking my fellow contributors to add that detail, but I am asking to confirm it for themselves when it is released on digital platforms, just for their own enjoyment.Don't worry, I'm just a new contributor walking their baby steps and I appreciate the guidance and the consensus.I can assure you I will not vandalise this page. Qorvos (talk) 11:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I too noticed this when seeing the film in the theater, but Easter eggs are not normally discussed on film articles. I was going to add it to other articles where the information is suitable, but haven't found the time to do so because I've been rather busy. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

“Box office bomb”
I feel like edits calling this film a box office bomb are exaggerated. To be sure, it was no blockbuster. But it made tens of millions more than its production.

It’s also confusing to state that it spent well over $100 million on advertising. Why isn’t that included in the production budget?

If we are going by what is listed as the production budget, then it seems the film is close to break even. Juneau Mike (talk) 15:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * A box-office bomb is, according to the topic's own article, "any film for which the production, marketing, and distribution costs combined exceed the revenue after release". So whilst The Flash may have made back the stated production budget, additional costs including marketing and distribution have not yet been recouped. This means that WB spent more money than they earned back from ticket sales. -- JascaDucato (talk &#124; contributions) 08:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The reality is there’s no actual numbers in yet, people are speculating before VOD or Blu-Ray sales which is ridiculous. 72.80.0.8 (talk) 09:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Reasons for film's delay
The movie was never in danger of being shelved or delayed because of "Miller's controversies". The producer basically laughed that off when people asked her recently. It should be removed from the article, as the only confirmed setbacks were due to COVID and CGI/VFX log-jamming. https://www.moviemaker.com/the-flash-muschietti-ezra-miller/ https://animatedtimes.com/covid-19-pandemic-changed-the-flash-as-the-makers-had-to-start-again/ https://variety.com/2022/film/news/black-adam-flash-aquaman-release-date-delay-1235200196/ 72.80.0.8 (talk) 06:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

The Post Credit Scene.
Hi, I'm Qorvos.I disagree with the idea that the post-credit scene is a 'joke' as it confirms that Arthur Curry exists in the new timeline. Earlier on in the film, Barry contacts Thomas Curry, and confirms that he has never met Queen Atlaana and has no son by the name of Arthur.This shows that Arthur has been erased. At the post-credit scene, he is revealed to be alive. In the known nature of time-travel in films, any change is relevant, especially for Aquaman, a member of the Justice League.If it were Wonder Woman, this change would be recognized, so I and other users and especially readers with no ability to edit, would greatly appreciate if such an addition is not referred to as 'a joke'. Thank You. Qorvos (talk) 00:28, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. I don't know who decided they had the authority to declare it "an unimportant joke scene that should not be mentioned", but I'm all for ignoring that instruction.2002:620D:3AF:0:55B8:36B1:438B:B2D1 (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * since there was no consensus that it should not be included, and several editors claiming it should be, I have added a post-credits paragraph. Feel free to change the wording, I’m not sure if the way I put it summarized it the best. RF23 (talk) 16:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Reverted. If there was no consensus whether to include it, it shouldn't be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InfiniteNexus (talk • contribs) 01:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So we need consensus to write an article the standard way? There have been multiple editors on the talk page saying it should be included, not a single editor opposing, whoever removed it originally and added the note did not have consensus to do so, a single editor does not get to determine if something is “a joke” that can’t be included. It was removed without consensus, consensus is not needed to reinsert it, however, consensus has been established across several discussions.RF23 (talk) 07:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There is consensus among WikiProject Film editors that jokey post-credits scenes that bear little to no significance to the plot should not be included. If Arthur had showed up in a joke scene before the credits, we wouldn't have included it either. This is documented in the final paragraph of WP:FILMPLOT. Furthermore, we cannot make conclusions in the plot summary if it is not explicitly shown onscreen, so the sentence is WP:OR and not appropriate. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the fact that we know this isn’t even gonna be followed up on since the DCEU is ending further proves it doesn’t even belong here. Regarding the “timeline is different” point, we already know that’s the case because of the Clooney Bruce Wayne cameo. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 20:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Post-credit scenes (or any other scene, for that matter) should only be mentioned if said scene furthers the plot of the article's subject. There are plenty of articles where we have kept the "jokey post-credit scenes" because they meet this criteria (though the fact that the DCEU in its current form is no longer an on-going concern is largely irrelevant in this case), and there are a number of 'serious' post-credit scenes that are not mentioned in articles because they do not further their article subject's plot.


 * Whilst on this occasion, I do not believe the scene warrants mention, I do not necessarily believe that a consensus need be required to include the scene in article in the first place. It is only at the point that a user objects and/or removes said scene that a discussion is required. Simply reverting the removal and potentially triggering an edit war is not good etiquette. Whilst I won't remove the sentence myself, at this stage, since it is the sentence's inclusion that was first challenged, rather than it's exclusion, I would encourage those who would like to see it remain to make their case and obtain a consensus either way. -- JascaDucato (talk &#124; contributions) 00:39, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Seeing as there has been no response to this, I shall go ahead and make the removal of the post-credits mention.The boss 1904 (talk) 13:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Can some examples be provided of "and there are a number of 'serious' post-credit scenes that are not mentioned in articles because they do not further their article subject's plot.", I'm sure there are but I've personally never seen any. Every single time, until I came across this article, a post-credits scene has been mentioned if there is one in a movie's article.RF23 (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Practically all "joke post-credits scenes" from MCU films are not included in the plot summaries. See Banner falling asleep to Tony Stark's story from Iron Man 3, Captain America's public service video from Spider-Man: Homecoming, and the ant playing drums from Ant-Man and the Wasp as examples. All are mainly jokes not important to the plot, none are included in their respective plot summaries. —El Millo (talk) 02:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Facu-el Millo Now that you've answered a question asked by no one, can you answer @Ringerfan23's actual question:  —Locke Cole • t • c 17:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What's with the snarky comment? I simply misread the question. There seem not to be any serious post-credits scenes not included in MCU and DCEU film articles at least. I'd still call this a joke post-credits scene though, as this purpose of confirming that it's the same Aquaman doesn't seem clear to me and not enough to justify inclusion. —El Millo (talk) 20:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Coming after the surprise swap of Bruce Wayne before the credits, I think it's exceedingly relevant. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it deserves a mention: It shows that the Aquaman in the universe he ended up in is the same Aquaman as we've seen in the other recent DC movies (at least in appearance). I don't think it's a "joke" scene any more than much of the rest of the mood of the rest of the movie. It only merits a sentence though, not even sure it belongs in its own paragraph. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)