Talk:The Flowers of Romance (British band)

Disputed information
It is not clear that Tony Blackplait was actually a member of the orginal 1976 Flowers of Romance, but the way in which 82.131.21.106 has included Blackplait alongside Sid Vicious and Keith Levene as "band members that later became well known" implies such a claim. According to the external link that 82.131.23.230 added to the article, Tony Blackplait is a member of a band calling itself the "come-back" Flowers of Romance. However, that website does not explicitly claim that Blackplait was actually in the original 1976 band. I will update the discography section to indicate that the information only pertains to the 1999 version of the band. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:14, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Quercusrobur: I had initially added the various "Disputed" tags to this article. After I did this the anonymous editor, rather than citing sources, simply removed his own edits (i.e. any information regarding Tony Blackplait). In any case, at that point the article was no longer in dispute (as far as I'm concerned). Personally, I'm satisfied with this edit. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 06:57, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I have removed the "Disputed" and "Dubious" tags again, as Tony Blackplait's band now has its won article.

Similar disputes, but in other languages
This article appears in many other languages' versions of Wikipedia. I can barely understand a couple of these, but some key words here and there (e.g. "Sid Vicious: ex-vocals") indicate that the other languages' versions are based on the disputed information that is previously described. As I don't speak those languages, I don't feel justified tagging those articles with dubious, disputed, etc. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Jonsey’s Jukebox
Was just listening to 103.1 Jonsey’s Jukebox hosted by Steve Jones (Sex Pistols) with special guest Craig Ferguson and Steve claims that Sid played drums in The Flowers of Romance and the Sex Pistols played with them in a punk festival along with the Clash and the Dammed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echodek5 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 16 October 2007
 * (Moved from top of "Disputed Information") I'm not sure whether you meant to place this in the "Disputed Information" section, but Sid Vicious was in The Flowers of Romance, that was never in dispute. Thanks. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

London SS vs Masters of the Backside
82.131.20.64 and 82.131.21.106 (possibly the same person) added a wiki link to (as yet uncreated) Masters of the Backside. A Google search on that band does indicate that the addition is legitimate. However this was done at the expense of (twice) deleting the link to London SS which is probably what Wikipedian Quercusrobur meant by vandalism (I agree, after the second such deletion). But both bands fit the context so I've included both wiki links. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:14, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Hi! I’m Israel. I put the information here. He really was in the band in 1977. But it isn't so important 'cause they hadn't gigs anyway. There were about 30 members in the Flowers in several times. I can’t prove it right now but I’ll try to contact original members (Jah Wobble etc.). I don’t like the ‘SS’ ‘cause they weren’t nazis. Thanks!


 * Israel, you don't like the SS because they were not Nazis? I'm hoping this isn't what you meant.  (And I'm fairly certain that regardless of the name, they were not Nazis, you can check the article yourself.)  In either case, it doesn't matter: you shouldn't remove something from the article just because you don't like it.  The London SS were indeed an early punk band whose members later went on to form The Clash.  This can be independently verified, and it is significant information where this article is concerned.  As for Tony Blackplait being a member of The Flowers of Romance: if he was not Jo Faull or Sarah Hall or Sid Vicious or Keith Levene, then he was not an original member.  For that matter, I don't recall reading that Jah Wobble was ever in the band, much less an original member.  So I'm not sure that we should add the 1999 Flowers of Romance to the same article about the 1976 band.  If Blackplait is the only person linking the two groups, then the 1999 band should really be considered a separate group.  So as far as Wikipedia is concerned, that band should either have its own article or it should be incorporated into the Tony Blackplait article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:36, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the thorough answer, maybe i'll write later.

1999 band: Separate article
Following some more back-and-forth editing (and a similarly-named article being nominated at VfD), the new band called "Flowers of Romance" now has its own article, The Flowers of Romance (orchestra). Which, as the discussion located above indicates, I had already suggested just over a month ago. I have removed the information pertaining to the new band from this article, other than a wiki link to the new article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:55, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, never mind that, it was deleted as per the VfD for the previous article. I did leave in the reference to the 1999 band (which had been anonymously removed).  IMO it warrants mentioning that a band is presenting itself as the comeback of an older band (or "the Real McCoy," if you will), in spite of not having any original members. FWIW this article in the other Wikipedias (e.g. French language) still reads as though both bands are one and the same (I'm not sufficently fluent in other languages to bring it up, even on a "Talk" page).  -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:14, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, it's allright. TL


 * User:84.50.169.34 created a new article about the 1999 band, The Flowers of Romance (band 2). These have been met with deletions (or speedy deletions) before, but at least the new article does not make the previous claim about Sid Vicious being a member. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:36, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

The Estonian "comeback" band: Redux
As previously described, articles about the band led by Tony Blackplait have been deleted multiple times. Lack of notability was given as a reason, at least once, for deleting the article. However there are at least three Wikipedia articles about recordings by Blackplait's Flowers of Romance. One of these potentially meets notability criteria, because the recording allegedly reached the top of the Latvian music charts. Assuming this can be verified, then we'd have a case where a band did not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, but one of their albums did. If nothing else this makes for clumsy maintenance of the records' Album Infobox templates, when we can't even link to an article about the band. I suspect that this is not the last time I'll be writing comments about the situation, and predict that we will be faced with a choice of either allowing an article about the band, after all, or allowing the information to be incorporated in the Vennaskond or Tõnu Trubetsky articles. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)