Talk:The Four Seasons (Vivaldi)

Vivaldi Inspired Shakespeare???
Did I miss the invention of the time machine? 4shockblast (talk) 09:22, 05 March 2011 (UTC)

Thumbs up 81.157.173.173 (talk) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Media files incorrectly represent work
Seems like variations have been added to the media files. This doesn't match up with the original sheetmusic... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.226.230.36 (talk) 17:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Run time?
If anyone's got a copy, it would be nice to add the approximate length in minutes of the tune. (Assuming it doesn't vary too much by performance). -- stillnotelf   has a talk page  03:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

These are all from the Itzhak Perlman recordings from his CD entitled 'The Four Seasons':

Spring I  - 3:22

Spring II - 2:43

Spring III - 4:49

Summer I  - 6:14

Summer II - 2:45

Summer III - 3:06

Autumn I  - 5:22

Autumn II - 3:07

Autumn III - 3:20

Winter I  - 3:36

Winter II - 2:32

Winter III - 3:29

Eggness (talk) 01:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have reverted vandalism in your paragraph ("kaka", twice) and corrected a misspelling ("Izthak" -> "Itzhak"). Thnidu (talk) 15:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Media downloads broken
Under media, there are downloads for all twelve movements. The first link produced a correctly named but zero-length file. The third did the same. But the second link yielded a working file.

I haven't a clue what to do about this.


 * I've encountered a similar problem. 11 of the files downloaded well, but the third movement of La Primavera downloads as a 0-length file, both in Firefox and via wget. - Gilgamesh 12:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi. We've had a problem with our file upload server sometimes sending zero byte file bodies when it is under load. Our caches then would get these zero byte files stuck in them. I believe we have resolved this issue, although I am not totally sure yet. It is intermittent but we are able to reproduce it, so it will be solved if it isn't. Thanks for your patience. --Gmaxwell 02:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, the same, got a zero-length file... Any way to fix this on my side? --Neikius 09:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

''This comment by User:GeoFan49 moved here from the article space:
 * 07 - Vivaldi Autumn mvt 1 Allegro - John Harrison violin.ogg


 * This file seems to be damaged. The file download is zero length.


 * 08 - Vivaldi Autumn mvt 2 Adagio molto - John Harrison violin.ogg


 * The sound volume level of this file does not match the others in this collection.

GeoFan49 10:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation
Why the heck does anyone need a citation when they say that music from the Four Seasons appear in a film??? How idiotic. 66.171.76.176 02:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, Why does it need a Citation to say the it makes sense to me? It does!! Do you need a citation to my brain or something?! GOSH HOW IDIOTIC. 66.171.76.176 02:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The overview says "calling to mind icy rain, whereas "Summer" evokes a thunderstorm[...]" Does this constitute a violation of Wikipedia's article standards? It just seems less encyclopaedic and more speculative, almost. Perhaps if a critic was referenced as having said these, it would be more satisfactory. 66.235.20.42 (talk) 01:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomination at Featured sound candidates
Please see Featured sound candidates/The Four Seasons. Thanks.--Pharos 20:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Composition Date
I'm confused. Was it composed in 1723 or 1725? Was it composed in one and published in the other? Other places online seem to say 1725... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Greatal386 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

programme
a- spring has arrived, b- and happily the birds welcome it in joyfull song, c- and the streams flow at the breath of zephyrs with sweet murmuring. d- meanwhile, the sky darkens and there is thunder and lightning. e- afterwards the little birds return and all sing anew. f- and so, on the plesent flowery meadow under the rustiling trees, the shepard sleeps with his faithful dog by his side. g- to the festival sound of county bagpipes nymphs and zephyrs dance under the glorious spring sky. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.125.54.245 (talk) 11:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
 * LOLWUT 66.171.76.176 02:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.91.131.143 (talk)

Notable Performances and Recordings
Wouldn't this be a nice section to have on this page? I'm surprised it's not already on there. Is there a wiki-rule against this? Kansaikiwi (talk) 05:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sonnets
I appreciate that User:Billinghurst took the time to copy the sonnets to Wikisource, but there is no reason why they shouldn't remain in the article. Viriditas (talk) 08:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Article Source
I am flattered that part of the article has been taken from my Website but acknowledgement would have been appreciated.

As for the question on timings, with over 300 performances available on CD or LP every performer has their own approach and so each one is a different length. Roughly the four concertos take 40 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.95.20 (talk) 08:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

IPhone version of page not working
The mobile version of this page didn't work when I tried to use it. It doesn't appear to be a problem on my part, as other mobile wikipedia pages work normally. Just letting people know, as I don't really have the time or knowledge to go about fixing it. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.144.255 (talk) 11:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Songs play too slow and sound like they were not performed correctly
As subject: The songs are played too slow and they sound as though they were not performed correctly.130.56.85.176 (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * They sound fine to me. Its a modern-instrument performance, perhaps a bit on the safe side, but its a free recording demonstrating to readers what the pieces sounds like.  At that task it succeeds brilliantly.  If you know of better recordings in the public domain let us know.DavidRF (talk) 03:44, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

John Harrison
Could anyone tell me who is the artist John Harrison playing the recordings posted on this wiki page. I google it for years (whenever I think of it) but still can not manage to find who he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.75.18.246 (talk) 16:30, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * For details about John Harrison, see http://www.johnharrisonviolin.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.155.136 (talk) 15:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Lets put "in popular culture" chapter
i heard this song (spring in allegro,first movement)on Boating Buddies on Spongebob Squarepants.did you agree that ill gonna put "in popular culture" section because of these?let the others decide.and if you heard the The Four Seasons in other media(i mean,like shows),lets talk here John kaiser (talk) 03:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Where on earth would we stop ? Vivaldi's music has been used so very many times, on TV, in films, on radio, in advertisements, in lifts (elevators). Where would you suggest we draw the line? 13:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems like the "Derivative Works" section has turned into this.DavidRF (talk) 02:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Reference to Il cimento dell'armonia e dell'inventione
The Four Seasons is a part of a set of twelve concertos called Il cimento dell'armonia e dell'inventione (The Contest Between Harmony and Invention). There is a Wikipedia article about that work as well. It would be appropriate and interesting to refer to that work here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burabil (talk • contribs) 18:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Curved Air
I intended to put this passage under "Derivative Works" for 1970.


 * Progressive rock band Curved Air released several adaptions of "L'estate"/"Summer": "Vivaldi" and "Vivaldi (With Cannons)" on their 1970 debut album, Air Conditioning, and "Ultra-Vivaldi" on their third, 1972's Phantasmagoria. None of these pieces credit Vivaldi as a composer in any capacity: "Vivaldi" is credited to Darryl Way, while "Vivaldi (With Cannons)" and "Ultra-Vivaldi" are credited to Way and Francis Monkman.

I declined to enter it yet because I have yet to find a source that describes these songs explicitly as adaptions of "The Four Seasons". I've heard some reviewers (on ProgArchives, for example) call them original pieces, influenced by Vivaldi's work. However, to my ears, "Summer" seems to be more than an influence but a basis for the compositions. I suppose I could simply write that the pieces were influenced by "The Four Seasons", but again I have not found a reference online that supports this statement. Anyone have any advice? Krobertj (talk) 20:46, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism
It looks as though someone has been vandalizing this page, as the formatting is completely off and the article literally begins with: "Vivaldi was a sick man bruv. so cool i mean he pulled all the birds know what i mean." Someone should address this ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.246.105.100 (talk) 15:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Missing verbiage
The opening section end with these words: "Vivaldi separated each concerto into three movements, fast-slow-fast, and likewise each linked sonnet into three sections. His arrangement is as follows:"

And that's all there is. Something has been edited out, for whatever reason. This needs fixing. Opus131 (talk) 06:52, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Recording by Wichita State University Chamber Players
Why is the player highlighted in the article? Is it a notable recording?

Editing: intro vs. "Sonnets and allusions"
The section provides little new info that is not already provided by the introduction. Suggest to elaborate in this section. 73.152.131.12 (talk) 18:31, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Century gap??
§Derivative works details a rich history of over eighty works from "1726 (or 1734)" to 2021, but nothing' at all in the nineteenth century, jumping directly from 1775 to 1969. This cannot possibly be correct, and suggests vandalism at some point. --Thnidu (talk) 14:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't assume just based on that that it's vandalism. It could be that people very familiar with 18th century and modern music have added details they're aware of but the 19th century never got similar attention.  Or a well-intended user could have accidentally blanked part of the list while adding something to it.  I'd d recommend browsing the history to see if the article ever had anything in that era in the list.
 * On the other hand, I'd also say that this list is already far too exhaustive, delving into the realm of trivia. I think it should be trimmed down to only the most notable works (If include Vivaldi's own and Bach's variations, probably the modern recording with Latrick Stewart reading the sonnets, and the Max Richter work for certain, but I'm sure several others would be considered particularly notable.
 * Dayv (talk) 21:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)-
 * Dayv (talk) 21:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)-

Musical Sources (Vivaldi's borrowings)
Don't get me wrong, I'm an ENORMOUS fan of Vivaldi, whom I think is a great deal more varied and original than he is given credit for - eg the Muslim-inspired section in one of the Viola D'Amore and mandolin concerti, the very modernistic and minimalist writing in three other concerti.

But: 'Though three of the concerti are wholly original..'? Oh come on. The main theme of the Allegro from 1 is straight out of Corelli, and the progression in 'Winter' is directly from Purcell's 'Cold Song' from 'King Arthur'. And pleeease don't tell me Vivaldi wouldn't have known either. Corelli was the greatest violin virtuoso in Europe immediately before Vivaldi was the greatest violin virtuoso in Europe; it would be incredible if Vivaldi hadn't personally heard him, probably met him, and had a deep familiarity with his repertoire. As for Purcell, he was the regarded as perhaps the greatest composer in Europe when Vivaldi was a teen; Vivaldi had an English agent, sold a lot of music in England, and was regularly visited by and was good mates with English musicians some of whom would have known Purcell purconally (sry sry couldn't resist). It would surprise me very much if some material in the other Seasons wasn't also borrowed. To misquote Peter Schickele talking of P.D.Q. Bach, Vivaldi didn't regard it as stealing, he regarded it as recycling. Indigocat (talk) 08:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

John Wick: Chapter 3
Should we mention the featuring of "Winter" in this film? ——DP

basso continuo
describing the basso continuo as a "kind of groovy bass line" is dated and quite a disservice to Vivaldi, Baroque music, and the classical genre in general. Please update the terminology and try to avoid such dated and unnecessary colloquialisms. Thank you. Rev. Vincent O. Holland-Gonzalez, Sr. 2601:6C1:582:A850:ED15:9363:1763:1FF0 (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Copied material from Encyclopedia Britannica
Several paragraphs of this article appear to be lifted verbatim from the Encyclopedia Britannica article. This isn't allowed, right? I assume the proper thing would be to paraphrase the information and add a proper citation? (The copied material was originally introduced in this revision - note that the user who made that edit also vandalized the page several times in the same day.) 2601:805:8200:807:3C33:5B97:8FF9:CB38 (talk) 04:25, 1 January 2024 (UTC)