Talk:The Gentlemen (2019 film)

Dean Gaffney
Is he really in this, or is it an internet hoax? I didn't spot any character called "John the Bastard".Paulturtle (talk) 00:07, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Right. I've seen this film a number of times (don't ask). I haven't seen Dean Gaffney in it. He is not listed in the credits, nor is there a character called "John the Bastard" (one of the boxers is called Jim/Chin, but he is a different actor). So unless it's an uncredited blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo, Dean Gaffney is not in it. I suspect this may well be a hoax.Paulturtle (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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Genre
I can't understand how the genre for the film is being presented as an action genre film, where it is quite clearly a crime comedy. The film is comedic throughout the whole way through and is very much similar to Guy Ritchie's early work of Lock, Stock and Snatch which are both presented as crime comedies. I don't understand where the action comes into it apart from a couple scenes. It is more of a crime comedy then it is a action crime as this would notably take away the fact of what is should be represented as. In almost all film reviews and interviews the genre's are stated including those with Ritchie himself, wether these are credible i don't know.Stuv3 (talk) 08:53, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed change to first line of article
The Gentlemen is an Anglo-American 2019 crime comedy film...

reasons for this change: - includes the fact it is made my an American production company - also includes the fact a lot of the staff, cast and producers and directors are British - includes the setting - will reduce confusion between this film and other films with similar names including the words "gentleman" in them.

Theprussian (talk) 13:16, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

See WP:FILMLEAD, dual nationalities should not be noted in the lead sentence, plus anglo is not a nationality. Stuv3 (talk) 14:08, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, but you are wrong about "anglo" is not a nationality". Anglo is a term used to refer to British in historical and other contexts, for example, such as the Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1824 Theprussian (talk) 16:13, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

We'd need a source, but ...
A few reviewers commented on the supposed anti-Semitism with which the Jewish character Matthew Berger is portrayed, even down to the demand for a Shylock-style "pound of flesh" from him at the end. Actually I thought the character was a very obvious nod to Hyman Roth, the main antagonist in The Godfather Part II - the Godfather films are referenced by Fletcher in the film. Preferably we'd need a proper source, eg. an interview with Guy Ritchie, rather than just people like me jumping to conclusions.

But reviewers can be quite obtuse. I didn't spot any reviewer picking up that the kidnapping of Pearson in his car is a blatantly obvious homage to Bob Hoskins' presumed demise at the end of "The Long Good Friday" (the camera focussing on the victim's shift from shock to anger to amused resignation, and the guy in the front passenger seat - a young Pierce Brosnan in the original - pointing a pistol at him). That film was 40 years ago now so I guess many of the reviewers weren't born then.Paulturtle (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Remove weasel language / disproportionate focus on racism angle
1. Instead of saying "some" reviewers think this / that about the movie, the article should just say exactly who from which publication says what. "Some" can be just 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 persons or hundreds or thousands of people. The weasel word "some" therefore should not be used.

2. In the Intro:

'''It received generally positive reviews from critics, with many regarding it as a welcome return to form for Ritchie. However, some noted being troubled by its racist undertones.'''

1 out of 2 sentences is about the film's supposed offensiveness.

Similarly, in the Reception:

Writing for Entertainment Weekly, Leah Greenblatt rated the film a "B-" and found it to come up short when compared to Ritchie's previous crime films, stating, "The Gentlemen is nothing if not a callback to the Locks of yesteryear, star-stacked and defibrillated with enough juice to jolt a gorilla o"ut of cardiac arrest."[30] Some reviews perceived the film as anti-Semitic, racist, homophobic and sexist on account of its portrayals of characters that fit stereotypes.[31][32][33] The Independent described it as "an equal opportunity offender" in its targeting of a multitude of minorities from Jews to East-Asians.[34]

2 out of 3 sentences are about the film's supposed offensiveness.

Judging by both the IMDB and RT scores, it is very subjective to denote so much article space on the issue.

Libertyabsolutist (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The film is not anti-Semitic, racist, homophobic, nor sexist; some of the characters are. It is disappointing that some critics are unable to identify this clear and essential distinction because their lazy carelessness maligns the film and the filmmaker unfairly. — O'Dea  (talk) 02:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)