Talk:The Glow Pt. 2

GOCE copyedit request

 * The album saw Phil Elverum be influenced by numerous music genres such as black metal, ambient and avant-garde, as well as non-musical sources like The American drama television show Twin Peaks and his relationship to Khaela Maricich. I think we can get rid of the word "saw" if we move the first mention of Elverum right after The Glow Pt. 2 is the third studio album by [...] (emphasis in original). Elverum's surname should also be consistent for the article. Although it appears that the surname change happened after this album was released, Elverum appears to be the common name he goes by now; I strongly suggest switching all mentions of his name to "Elverum". — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Understood, any remaining uses of "Elvrum" will be changed :).
 * ✅ and . Carried out proposal. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Musically, The Glow Pt. 2 diverts from Elverum's previous studio release It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water, featuring experimental production and musical techniques and lyrics that frequently reference nature and the Pacific Northwest. Somewhat edited, emphasis in original. Are the references to nature and the Pacific Northwest in Glow or It Was Hot? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The references are in Glow.
 * ✅. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The Glow Pt. 2 marks a shift in Elvrum's writing to a more abstract, symbolic style from the "short, straightforward pop songs" of It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water, although it does retain similarities. Like what? Any examples? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The source does not specify. Any claims I made would be original research.
 * ✅. Used a snippet from the source to be more specific. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The guitar sections were intended to resemble the sound of water by miking the amp and strings and having two microphones for left and right. So basically, creating a stereo soundspace? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * ✅. Reworded and added a wikilink to stereophonic sound. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The third track "The Moon" features lyrics. Why is this important? The source doesn't say anything to imply that "The Moon" is the only song on the album to have lyrics. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Changed in accordance with your review.
 * ✅. Merged the sentence with the following one. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * "Map" opens with a brief interlude consisting of a foghorn that leads into distorted organs, a kick drum, and vocals. The track finishes as it starts with the sound of a foghorn. Why is this important? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The sound of a foghorn is a recurring motif in the album, as mentioned later in the album. Its inclusion here is to add credence to that.
 * ✅. Established the importance of the foghorn earlier in the paragraph. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The three of them played together with audience participation being a large factor. Was audience participation intended? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * ✅. Moved "audience participation" into the next sentence and removed the sentence in question. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The album has been reissued multiple times. To confirm, is reissuing like revising a new edition? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * ✅. Wikilinked the instance of "reissuing" in the lead. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Pitchfork would later rank it as their album of the year. For 2001? The source doesn't seem to rank it as the number one album of the year; just one among many. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed.
 * . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Jason Lipshutz of Billboard chose the first "Instrumental" as one of the "greatest interludes of all time". Not sure why "first" is used; there only appears to be one track on the album called "Instrumental". — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Track 6 and 17 are called instrumental. See: Track Listing.DMT biscuit (talk) 07:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * . I skimmed then looked at the wrong one. This is why I shouldn't do these late at night... — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking forward to your responses! — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Explanations provided and changes made when relevant.DMT biscuit (talk) 07:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering all of these! I'll do a last passover to make finishing touches later in the day. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Blackgaze/atmospheric black metal tag
This section is to discuss whether blackgaze or atmospheric black metal should be listed as genres on the infobox. I do not believe this has been properly sourced and feels like a case of WP:SYNTH. The two sources given state the following:

Source 1: Backtrack: The Microphones The Glow Pt. 2

"In recent years, Elverum’s made very public his love of Norwegian black metal. He’s incorporated it into his sound, softening its edges and pushing it into his own. Placing his work in that timeline makes a lot of sense, but I think The Glow Pt. 2 is actually a Northwest shoegaze album."

This offers that the album was inspired by Norwegian black metal, but does not state the album is that genre, ABM, nor blackgaze.

Source 2: Album Review: The Microphones – The Glow Pt. 2 (Reissue)

"His subsequent works as Mount Eerie have been compelling for similar reasons, but with the exception of Wind’s Poem and Ocean Roar, albums more clearly the product of his fascination with black metal, Elverum has never again attempted to couple instrumental brownouts and the sort of deep introspection that marks The Glow Pt. 2."

This source again claims the genre is a source of inspiration for the artist, but does not claim the album to be said genre.

D1119 (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)