Talk:The Golden Beam

Requested move 7 July 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Historic England now uses the new name, which invalidates part of the opposing argument. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Elinor Lupton Centre → The Golden Beam – The building is no longer the Elinor Lupton Centre. If that had been its original name, there might be an argument to keep the article at that title, but the building was built as Church of Christ, Scientist. I would have moved the article without discussion, but on seeing that it's a Good Article I thought there should be discussion. I note that the NHLE listing still records it as "Elinor Lupton Centre", unsurprisingly, but that it was previously listed as "First Church of Christ the Scientist" so presumably the listing title will change at some time. Pam D  15:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * At the moment, I support leaving at the current title. Though it was applied by the school, I think the name will stick with the building, both officially and among locals. Indeed, it remains on a plaque in the entrance. I don't think Golden Beam has been sufficiently established as a replacement yet. This could be revisited in future, though. Rcsprinter123   (discuss)  11:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see how the name can stick "officially": it just isn't the name of the building any more, surely, and it isn't the name under which it was first built, either. Hmm, there must be some other examples of pubs taking over previously notable buildings, though it might be difficult to find one with an earlier total change of name and function. Pam  D  16:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * By official, I mean in such cases as the Royal Mail address and HE listing. If Spoons moved out and removed all their signage, would you then leave the article at The Golden Beam, or use the name which has hung around since the 80s (even during the 10 years post school closure)? Rcsprinter123   (confer)  17:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Curiously the Royal Mail postcode finder doesn't seem to list it by either name nor by postcode unless it's just "NN Headingley Lane". Odd. Pam  D  05:38, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The Council refers to it as "Former Elinor Lupton Centre", and interestingly uses a different postcode, LS6 1BX, from the LS6 1BL on the Wetherspoons website. But still no sign of it on the Royal Mail postcode finder. Pam  D  07:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * And Google Maps, on being asked for "Elinor Lupton Centre", finds it but calls it "The Golden Beam". Pam  D  16:10, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * An update: The NHLE listing was updated on 19 July 2021 to reflect the new name: the list entry is now at the title "The Golden Beam, with boundary walls", and describes it as "Church, was part of high school, now pub". (The Royal Mail postcode finder seems to ignore the building altogether.) Pam  D  07:43, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How should the infobox reflect the fact that the building has reopened after a closure? Pam D  16:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)