Talk:The Good, the Bad & the Queen (album)

Fansite Link
WP:EL states:

Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.

This is exactly what the fansite provides.

Album name ampersand
Is there any specific reason this article is called "The Good, the bad and the Queen", as opposed to "The Good, the Bad & the Queen"? The album has an ampersand on its front. zanzer7 13:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Doesn't look like it. I've changed it. - Green Tentacle 18:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Justification of TheGoodTheBadAndTheQueen.net external link
I don't know who keeps removing the link, but I feel it should be there as the site is very comprehensive with information on every song and release, including (but not limited to) tabs, lyrics, song credits, artwork, etc. It is there to provide more information (something the official site and fansite fail miserably in doing). -JackS

Copy Controlled
Is the CD copy controlled? In my experience the CD cannot be played on a mac. Anyone have any thoughts / info?

- Works fine on a PC; this is interesting if it doesn't play on a mac though. -JackS

Danger Mouse
Sorry, but Danger Mouse is not a member of the "band".

--JackS

Link Clean-up
this article has enough links, we don't need a non-responsive free site for it. removed link -- the links provided are sufficient enough, any more "unofficially" bartered sites and we're dealing with spam. there are thousands of unofficial un-paid for sites, if we allow this we should allow them all. The unofficial is a comprehensive site and therefore should remain except this one --- -- omnion_1990.
 * The Good, The Bad & The Queen Fans

Kingdom of Doom
Some sources have suggested the single is to be called "Kingdom of Doom" rather than "Kingdoom of Doom". -JackS

Herculean
The NME have reported that the single is called "Herculean" with the artwork being shown on page 7 of this weeks editionXljesus 16:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

East Prawle
TheGoodTheBadAndTheQueen.com have a competition to win tickets for a gig at "East Prawle" on October 20th. - JackS, 29/9/06

Simon Tong - Blur or Verve?
I think the article should mention he is from The Verve rather than Blur as everywere else this is what they mention. --Jimmyjrg 05:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

- I have changed this section to reflect that. - JackS

- Incidentally the Verve page does not yet mention The Good The Bad And The Queen Pomtarr 13:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Supergroup
Surely it should be called a super group as all of the members are otherwise noted for their music? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fre k (talk • contribs).

Band Name Origin
Can we get a cited blurb on there about the origin of the band's name/album? I know there is something out there. Steveprutz 17:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

- To be honest, I think it is just an in-joke with Albarn's crowd (references to Clint Eastwood movies). I would love for someone to prove me wrong though. :) - JackS

-Yes he seems to have an infatuation with Clint Eastwood, titling the Gorillaz singl after the actor along with "Dirty Harry" from Demon Days. -PROPHET

The article is wrong
The album is called "the good, the bad and the queen" - the band has no name - I've seen it mentioned by Albarn in a few places - a quick google shows this - http://www.stereogum.com/archives/004410.html (I saw it in one of the papers but I forget which one).

--Fredrick day 19:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The fact that the band has no name is also mentioned here, here and various other places. Can someone add the cites? I can never actually get that to work without breaking the pages. --Fredrick day 21:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Another mention of it having no name - another editor feels this is a "joke", however I can find no sources to back-up such a claim. I will not get into an edit war, but would hope that another uninvolved editor can take a look. If it is a joke, great, no problem (and we should add it to the article in that context), but I can find no sources to back that reading at the moment. --Fredrick day 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Another mention of the band having no name in timeout --Fredrick day 21:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Your stereogum link turns up this-

"If you've heard Damon Albarn do a radio interview, you know his M.O.: be as contrary as possible, demean every question, throw the interviewer off her game. And ya know what? He's fookin' great at it. This time Damon and Paul Simonon chat with Minnesota Public Radio's Steve Seel, who tries his best to chat about The Good, The Bad & The Queen. Only, it's not called The Good, The Bad & The Queen. In fact, it's not even a band! A sample exchange:"

In particular, focus on this sentence- "throw the interviewer off her game. And ya know what? He's fookin' great at it."

On the band's official site, click the link that says "The Official UK Albums Chart"

It'll say: "Now Damon Albarn is fronting "The Good, The Bad and the Queen" whose self titled debut album enters the chart at number two.." Do you really think the Official UK Album Chart Company would have gotten this wrong? And add to that that nowhere on the website does it contradict that report, not even on the forums. On single releases, where usually the single and artist name appear, we get the name "Kingdom of Doom" over "The Good, the Bad, and the Queen" Somehow I don't think that the rules changed this time around and that we got the single name and the album name. Face it, Albarn was joking, and you fell for it.ErleGrey 21:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

What about the timeout article, the scottish daily record article? At the moment I have at least 3 sources directly quoting him saying "this band has no name". You have???--Fredrick day 21:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

'''Albarn is such a smart-arse that his latest project doesn't have a name, even though his record company is referring to its album, The Good, the Bad and the Queen, as "self-titled".

"Yeah, exactly," Albarn says. "But that's not correct. We don't have a name. It's an album."

Isn't that a bit - let's just say it - pretentious?

"Uh, well ... how can I answer that? If it's misunderstood like that then, y'know, I suppose it's not really getting the message across. Isn't it sort of more important that the quality of something is inspirational ... as opposed to just categorising everybody as the same thing? That's all it really is. And if that's pretentious, then I have to accept that."'''

that is a direct quote - from a notable source - what do you have that says different?

--Fredrick day 21:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Did you even read the rest of the interview? Use some common sense. He refers to Gorillaz as a full band, rather than a project. And read the quote I pointed out to you. Sources: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:dx6htro8kl7x http://music.guardian.co.uk/pop/alexispetridis/story/0,,1993419,00.html http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/13135058/review/13142828/the_good_the_bad_and_the_queen ErleGrey 21:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC) You know what, I'm not going to argue with you, do whatever you want, just know that someone else with more sense will revert it.ErleGrey 21:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the band has no name. The record company call them TGTBATQ as if they were a band, but that is just because it would be a nightmare to sell a record without a band name to it. - JackS


 * If the band is "unnamed", then why do the singles (see images) clearly have "The Good, the Bad & the Queen" printed underneath the title of the song? This seems kind of silly to me - this shuffling around of articles can only cause confusion. - eo 01:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Because whatever the band wants to do - the music industry and it's infrastructure is not geared up for an unnamed band - how do you catology it, how does it appear on ordering systems? how do the public know that this single is off that album they heard good things about, if it's just the title of the track on the from? etc etc,  You might think it's silly but the BAND clearly state that they as an entity do not have a name and are directly quoted as saying that - I have added 3 sources to show that, I could add at least 6 or 7 more that say the same thing. All we do at wikipedia is presents the facts as they are - nothing more, nothing less. --Fredrick day 10:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Fredrick day. Having an untitled band floating around is a massive risk for any record label. Every point you make is a good one. And also, the name 'The Good, The Bad and the Queen' appears on their singles. I think that this is their official band name, and the whole 'untitled band' thing is for publicity. fadedx 03:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Name change?
OK - I've added 3 references - all of which are direct interviews with members of the band where they talk about not having a name. If people want more reference I can supply them - some of which will be the offline references to stuff like this - http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3396/3bf5.png (scroll down and read the left column). I'm not sure of the procedure but shouldn't this be "The Good, The Bad and the Queen (album)"? --Fredrick day 20:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to say that the daily record interview is slightly contradicting. Yes it states that "we don’t have a name for the band. It’s an album." but it also states "The Good, The Bad and the Queen is “self titled”.", surely a many people will presume a self-titled record is an album by a band of the same name. The confusion reigns further when all of the singles released from the album have the album name (which is supposedly not the bands name) on them, as well as NME referring to the band as The Good, The Bad and the Queen link. (They're also referred to by the album name by on-line retailers Amazon HMV and Play.com, which will be a large reason for the public to presume this is their name). I'm not denying the band don't have have a name but maybe the article should make reference to the fact that the band are at least referred to by some sections of the media as well as some members of the public as the album name? Chappy [[Image:White Rose Badge of York.svg|God's Own Country|20px]] TC 20:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry I've just read the previous heated discussion about the band name, quite glad I left this here as a suggestion now rather than made the edit to the page myself. Anyway I do this that the article should say something like "by an unnamed band, referred to by many however as The Good, The Bad and the Queen". I get why on-line retailers and NME are referring to the band the way they are but I just feel if this little bit were added to the article then it would help to clarify things for readers. Chappy [[Image:White Rose Badge of York.svg|God's Own Country|20px]] TC 20:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

New Gorillaz album?
Several e-mails have gone into people signed into the gorilaz.com mail recipient box. This included information and a link concerning "The Good, The Bad and the Queen". Also, along with "Clint Eastwood" and "Dirty Harry", the album is a clear reference to a western/Clint Eastwood film. Could this be the next Gorillaz album? GABO
 * No, it is not a Gorillaz album. It is merely sung and written by the same real-life singer, the same real-life guitarist and same real-life producer.  It has already been released, and as such would have a proper artist name already known if it were so. 203.87.119.103 12:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * But it is a possibility, no? No one knows EXACTLY the name of the group, and this could easily be called a Gorillaz album by everyone. It could be a Blur album, or even a solo album of Mr. Albarn. Hell, Ozzy Ousbourne could easily be it. Also, I heard some of the songs online, and the singer's voice sounds in the same exaggerated tenor of 2D of Gorillaz.


 * No it's not a possibility in any way. It's a no-named one-off that stemmed from Damon's solo project.  Damon Albarn IS the 'exaggerated tenor of 2-D'.  Simon Tong was the guitarist for Demon Days, and Danger Mouse produced Demon Days.  It's also important to remember that Paul Simonon (most famous for his work with the Clash) and Tony Allen were never part of Gorillaz in any way shape or form. 203.87.119.103 12:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Acoustic version of "The Bunting Song" on Adult Swims New Album "Warm and Scratchy"
Adult Swim released another album like they did with Chocolate Swim for free download which includes an acoustic version of The Bunting Song. I added it under other im not sure if thats the standard the way I did it all feel free to clean it up and make a note about it if you can get some info.

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Band's Own Page
Does anybody else think the band deserves its own page? Right now we have information about the band and the album all on one page, but I think this could cause problems when they release a new album. Worthlessboy1420 23:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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Rip off?
Anyone else notice how much the title track resembles Red Weather from The Duke Spirit's album Cuts Across the Land? Figure someone will be interested ;-) --Dan|(talk) 18:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The article is incomplete
Well written and interesting. Good.

I think the article would benefit from identifying the former bands of the members. What I find frustrating is that the article seems to assume knowledge of UK indie music. Why is it a supergroup? Who is Damon Albarn? Paul Simonon? Tony Allen? Simon Tong? I knew Damon, but I had to click 3 more links to find out the others. As an international wiki, anyone outside the UK will have no idea who these people are. The article should explain to anyone assuming no prior knowledge. Mention and link to the Clash, the Verve, Blur etc as well.

After all, this is meant to be an encyclopaedia. It's not an article in NME, and space isn't an issue. Identifying the history of the members and explaining why it was considered a "supergroup" is surely relevant to the article.

On another note - I only noticed who produced the album was here when I returned to it and looked at the top right side panel. I was expecting to find this at the bottom under the list of personnel. On my first visit I had to click other links to be certain that Danger Mouse had done it.

Hope that didn't sound too much of a complaint.

Mister Greywolf (talk) 20:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Live from SoHo (The Good, the Bad and the Queen EP) merge proposal
Live from SoHo (The Good, the Bad and the Queen EP) doesn't seem to meet WP:NALBUMS. Boleyn (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Band name and Second album
With the news that TGTBTQ is officially the name of the band, and that they're releasing a new album (link), I think we need to restructure this so that The Good, the Bad & the Queen directs to the artist page, and the album page is The Good, the Bad & the Queen (album) along with new album Merrie Land.VampireKilla (talk) 17:08, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that there should be an artist page created. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 01:47, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


 * agree too - will save confusion Jpmaytum (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 28 August 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved (without leaving a redirect) to make room for an article about the band of the same name. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

The Good, the Bad & the Queen → The Good, the Bad & the Queen (album) – This page should be about the band, not the self-titled album. Popcornduff (talk) 15:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose . There doesn't appear to be an article for the band, so how do you see this move working? Maybe there should be one, but you can't put the cart before the horse. PC78 (talk) 23:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * PC78: Unless I'm missing something, there is no article for the band because, right now, the self-titled album is taking its place. I've already started drafting the band article but there's nowhere to put it. This article has to be moved out of the way first. Popcornduff (talk) 23:49, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The Good, the Bad & the Queen (band)? There really ought to be an article, or at least a finished draft, before we start to talk about moving pages. PC78 (talk) 00:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I can put a draft together. I don't see the point in starting it at The Good, the Bad & the Queen (band), if that's your suggestion - then we'd have to move that to preserve the history. Popcornduff (talk) 00:08, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Not really, I was just pointing out that there is currently no obstacle to there being an article for the band in mainspace (which is sort of what you implied above). But if you drafted a band article at Draft:The Good, the Bad & the Queen for example, then the pages would need to be moved just the same, assuming of course that there was concensus to do so. PC78 (talk) 00:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * There already seems to be consensus for the move I'm proposing - see the discussion directly above this.
 * My plan was to have the current article moved to The Good, the Bad & the Queen (album), and then I was going to merge the existing article's info about the band (and not the album) into the new article about the band. Even before getting into issues of copyediting and sourcing, this would be an immediate organisational improvement for the encyclopaedia, and it's the sort of thing that takes me a matter of minutes. But if you'd prefer me to create a more polished draft first I'll come back in a day or two. Popcornduff (talk) 00:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * PC78: I've created a draft page for the band in my sandbox. It's far from perfect but hopefully a decent start, and an improvement over the current situation. Popcornduff (talk) 11:29, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool, support in principle then as long as no one raises any significant objections. The band really ought to be the primary topic rather than the album. PC78 (talk) 23:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. Go ahead, guy! Your draft IMHO is promising to become a neat article. -- Just N. (talk) 18:29, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


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