Talk:The Grapes of Wrath

Joad vehicle
Two points, the article should have information about the vehicles. One detail in the book, that it has a 12v electrical system, seems erroneous. 6v systems were the norm of vehicles up to 1955, 30 years later. In 1956 the thunderbird, a luxury sports car made the change from 6 to 12v, its seems unlikely an old vehicle would have superior technology. can anyone speak to whether there was indeed 12v systems then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.15.150 (talk • contribs) September 27, 2006

Links
We need an actual external link for the "California Pastoral" article to balance out the Keith Windschuttle "Myth of the Okies."

-NStearns

Actually that's not true, "Myth of the Okies." is full of useless facts that has little things to do with such article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.99.33 (talk • contribs) September 25, 2005

This is the greatest american novel ever written. its very an interesting book to read/

Title
In the section on "Explanation of the novel's title," the sentence:

"The Grapes of Wrath", suggested by his wife, Carol, deemed more suitable than any of the names John himself could come up with.

...doesn't parse. It should be either "seemed" or "was deemed." I don't want to edit it because I'm not sure what the original writer intended. And, of course, if it's changed to "was deemed," that raises the question, was deemed by whom? By Steinbeck, or perhaps by his editor or publisher? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MylesCallum (talk • contribs) May 26, 2006

Social and Political Economic Themes
This book contains a powerful critique of predatory capitalism. It includes themes of liberation and the vision of a collective good. The theme of class struggle and fact that the political and economic interests of the propertied classes are completely in opposition of the non- propertied class and workers. There is a serious discussion of debt peonage and the fact that the propertied classes and capital deploy institutions of power to reinforce a social order that eliminated opposition or the emergence of alternative forms of economy and governance. This includes the police, the military, the banking networks, fraternal clubs and organizations that reinforce fear and hatred of the poor, the large number of people that capitalism has to destroy to exist.

As far as themes of liberation, female empowerment is embodied in Ma and even Rose of Sharon as the recognizes that her humanity can ease the suffering of another. Her insistence in going to the cotton fields while about to give birth also illustrates the idea that women and men have an inherent need to contribute to the collective economic good.

The idea that collective labor organizing is a critical part of countering the continual demands of capital is important in creating a more equitable and just society, and the fact that the police and the local business class organizations are used to crush worker organizing is clear to the reader.

Another important acknowledgement is that the whole system of U.S. capitalism is built on theft of Indigenous lands is alluded to and is also part and parcel of the history of capitalism itself. The system is built on theft and the emergence of economic classes in successive historical moments necessitates that continued exploitation of those who stand in the way of the expansion of capital. 205.189.94.9 (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Grapes of wrath
Who are the Grapes and why are they angry DragonMaster9817 (talk) 02:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Try reading the article - The_Grapes_of_Wrath. Johnbod (talk) 02:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)