Talk:The Gypsy Girl (Hals)

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 * Frans Hals 008.jpg

Disambiguation of title needed
"The Gypsy Girl" should be a redirect to Gypsy Girl (disambiguation) because there are now multiple articles on "The Gypsy Girl" (i.e. The Gypsy Girl (play), The Gypsy Girl (film)), and any one of the 'Gypsy Girl' or 'The Gypsy Girl' articles could potentially be a search term. WP:NOPRIMARY would seem to apply as well. I am going to be WP:BOLD and move the article again. 4meter4 (talk) 19:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Romani?
@Bohemian Baltimore recently added the painting to the categories "Fictional representations of Romani people" and "Romani people in art". Those categorisations suggest that the person depicted is Romani. I believe the idea that the subject is Romani arose in 1869 when the Louvre acquired the picture and gave it its then new, now customary, title La Bohémienne -- which can, but need not, mean "Gypsy". The subject of the painting may be a sex worker, but the association of sex workers with "Gypsies" is a prejudice not flattering to either side of the "equation". Is it right for the picture to be in the two categories in question? --- Frans Fowler (talk) 01:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

PS I'm not good at pinging techniques; I'll try this as well:  --Frans Fowler (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Frans Fowler Hmm. Thanks for pointing this out. Good question. If the categories are mistaken, they can be removed. This book claims that Frans Hals titled the painting but that the woman depicted was "widely believed to be a prostitute and not at all of Romani origin". I'm unsure whether that is saying that the painting is supposed to be depicting a prostitute or if the model for the painting was a prostitute. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't see that source, but the author is a linguist and no art historian. It is a tronie & these were not given titles when painted - in fact few paintings had actual titles at this date. The categories be removed. Johnbod (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)