Talk:The Hague Institute for Global Justice/Archive 1

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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110928144443/http://www.denhaag.nl/en/residents/to/Albright-crowns-city-with-new-peace-institute.htm to http://www.denhaag.nl/en/residents/to/Albright-crowns-city-with-new-peace-institute.htm
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Rewrite to change tone
I feel that this article may have been written by someone who worked for the PR of the institute itself, as it almost reads as a commercial. I'm planning to rewrite the article to remove peacock words etc. I think that "works" section is a bit too detailed; any suggestions on what to remove? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwataswagri (talk • contribs) 08:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Sources Bankruptcy Section?
I am thinking of adding a section addressing the bankruptcy of the institute. However I'm having difficulty finding sources other than the recent Volkskrant and Groene Amsterdammer pieces. Any suggestions? Kwataswagri (talk) 08:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

213.125.233.82 (talk) 12:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)there is a public report available from the curator via www.rechtspraak.nl. This in the Dutch language

Lady Sohair A. Salam Saber – President
with respect > new president now for The Hague Institute http://www.thehagueinstituteforglobaljustice.org/the-hague-approach/our-team/ 212.106.94.35 (talk) 13:53, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Edit request
Updates and general clean-up for the article (diff here; disregard user header code at the top of the page):
 * General:
 * Fixing refs across the article for consistency as per WP:CITEVAR; dead links rescued.
 * Use dmy dates added.
 * Slight edit to HQ image caption (the words "near Plein 1813 in The Hague" removed).
 * New "History" section created; "Reports on mismanagement" and "Closure" sections made subsections of "History" section.
 * "Projects" subsections eliminated; "Publications" made subsection of "Work" section.
 * Disestablishment categories removed from footer.
 * Edits:
 * Infobox — "Dissolved" year removed; Abiodun Williams replaced by Sohair Salam Saber as current president of the Institute; slight formatting edits to headquarters and URL.
 * Lead section — Update on current president of the Institute; Madeleine Albright info moved to "Leadership" section.
 * "History" section — "Reports on mismanagement" subsection renamed to "Reports of mismanagement"; Sentences beginning "Shortly thereafter, another organization…" and ending "…which documents in question were destroyed is unclear" in "Reports of mismanagement" subsection removed as that information is not mentioned in the accompanying source given; "Closure" subsection renamed to "Bankruptcy and revival"; updates since bankruptcy added with sources.
 * "Leadership" section — Pictures of Abi Williams and Madeleine Albright removed, picture of Sohair Saber added in line with updates in leadership; "Advisory Council" subsection removed as the council is no longer active; new info on Saber and Mohamed Abuwasel added.
 * "Work" section — First sentence in Global Governance Reform Initiative (GGRI) paragraph (last paragraph in "Projects" subsection) rewritten; events in "Public discussions" subsection reorganised in chronological order.
 * "External links" section — Water Diplomacy Consortium and Knowledge Platform Security and Rule of Law links removed; Institute link replaced with Official website.

Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 15:14, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ❌. Davykamanzi has not complied with WP:PAID. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * COI disclosure provided. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 07:08, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Reply 27-AUG-2019

 * To expedite your request, kindly state each specific change in the form of verbatim statements which can be added to the article (if approved) by the reviewer, including the exact location where the desired claims are to be placed. Exact, verbatim descriptions of any text to be removed should also be described. Finally, reasons should be provided for each change. The diff you've provided does not give reasons for the proposed items adequately, and the reasons you have included on this talk page do not include the proposed verbatim text. These disparate items should be brought together under one central location. An example edit request for how this is to be done is shown below:


 * Please remove the third sentence from the second paragraph of the Sun section:
 * "The Sun's diameter is estimated to be approximately 25 miles in length."


 * Please add the following claim as the third sentence of the second paragraph of the Sun section:
 * "The Sun's diameter is estimated to be approximately 864,337 miles in length."


 * Using as the reference:


 * Reason for change being made:
 * "The previously given diameter was incorrect."


 * Kindly open a new edit request at your earliest convenience when ready to proceed with the verbatim text, placement locations, and reasons for changes being made.

Regards, Spintendo  11:00, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Updated edit request
Updates and general clean-up for the article (diff here; disregard user header code at the top of the page):


 * General:
 * All references across the article fixed for consistency per WP:CITEVAR, which was not previously followed. References 4, 6, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 22 and 23 in the current version of the article also featured dead links, which were rescued with new links to the same sources. Use dmy dates was also added at the top of the article in keeping with the date format used in the references.
 * In the caption of the headquarters image, the words "near Plein 1813 in The Hague" were removed as that information is not relevant (Plein 1813 cannot be seen in the image).
 * A new "History" section created, with the "Reports on mismanagement" and "Closure" sections made subsections of the "History" section, in order to have the Institute's organisational history presented in one section.
 * The subsections of the "Projects" section were removed as each only contained two or three sentences; I felt it was enough to have each subsection separated as paragraphs and put in chronological order instead. The "Publications" section was also made a subsection of "Work" section as it pertains to the work of the Institute.
 * Disestablishment categories were removed from the footer as the Institute is still running.
 * Infobox:
 * The "Dissolved" year was removed as the Institute is still running.
 * Abiodun Williams was replaced by Sohair Salam Saber as the current president of the Institute as explained with sources in the lead section and "Leadership" section in the article (requested edits to those mentioned further).
 * The location of the Institute (The Hague) was moved next to "Sophialaan 10" alongside the "Headquarters" label as a more complete physical address.
 * The website link was replaced with URL as it takes up less space (in bytes).
 * Lead section:
 * Update provided on the current president of the Institute, as Abi Williams no longer holds that position.
 * Madeleine Albright info was moved to the "Leadership" section, as she is no longer a part of the Institute's Advisory Council, which itself is currently inactive.
 * "History" section:
 * "Reports on mismanagement" subsection renamed to "Reports of mismanagement" as a slight grammatical edit.
 * Sentences beginning "Shortly thereafter, another organization…" and ending "…which documents in question were destroyed is unclear" in the "Reports of mismanagement" subsection were removed, as that information is not mentioned in the accompanying source given.
 * The "Closure" subsection renamed to "Bankruptcy and revival" as the Institute was not permanently closed; updates since bankruptcy have been added with sources, including Saber's appointment as president and Mohamed Abuwasel's appointment as vice president.
 * "Leadership" section:
 * Pictures of Abi Williams and Madeleine Albright removed as they are no longer active within the Institute.
 * Picture of Sohair Saber added to accompany new information regarding her appointment as president.
 * "Advisory Council" subsection removed as neither the council nor any of the listed members are currently active within the Institute.
 * Info on Saber and Abuwasel's appointments added as part of the chronology of the Institute's leadership.
 * "Work" section:
 * First sentence in the Global Governance Reform Initiative (GGRI) paragraph (last paragraph in "Projects" subsection) rewritten to provide the Initiative's launch date and purpose in that order (the information was previously presented in the reverse order).
 * Events in the "Public discussions" subsection reorganised in chronological order to make the information easier to follow.
 * "External links" section:
 * Water Diplomacy Consortium and Knowledge Platform Security and Rule of Law links removed as they are indirectly related to the Institute, per WP:ELNO.
 * Institute link replaced with Official website as the official website is present in the article's Wikidata item and the template takes up less space.

Davykamanzi → talk</b> • <b style="color:#ED2;">contribs</b> • <b style="color:#264;">alter ego</b> 15:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The proposal does not contain any actionable requests, being worded as if the changes have already been made (e.g., "Sentences beginning "Shortly thereafter, another organization…" and ending "…which documents in question were destroyed is unclear" in the "Reports of mismanagement" subsection were removed"). If these changes are desired to be made, and have not yet been made, please include the verbatim text of the proposals along with the reasons in one central location here on the talk page. Regards, Spintendo  02:40, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've worded previous requests (which have been accepted) as if the changes were already made, so I don't exactly understand why the wording of my requests here is a problem now. In any case, I've laid out the requests as instructed below.


 * General:
 * All references across the article to be fixed for consistency per WP:CITEVAR, which was not previously followed. References 4, 6, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 22 and 23 in the current version of the article also feature dead links, which should be rescued with new links to the same sources. Use dmy dates to also be added at the top of the article in keeping with the date format used in the references.
 * In the caption of the headquarters image, the words "near Plein 1813 in The Hague" should be removed as that information is not relevant (Plein 1813 cannot be seen in the image).
 * A new "History" section should be created, with the "Reports on mismanagement" and "Closure" sections made subsections of the "History" section, in order to have the Institute's organisational history presented in one section.
 * The subsections of the "Projects" section should be removed as each only contains two or three sentences; I feel it is enough to have each subsection separated as paragraphs and put in chronological order instead. The "Publications" section should also be made a subsection of "Work" section as it pertains to the work of the Institute.
 * Disestablishment categories to be removed from the footer as the Institute is still running.
 * Infobox:
 * The "Dissolved" year to be removed as the Institute is still running.
 * Abiodun Williams to be replaced by Sohair Salam Saber as the current president of the Institute as explained with sources in the lead section and "Leadership" section in the article (requested edits to those mentioned further).
 * The location of the Institute (The Hague) to be moved next to "Sophialaan 10" alongside the "Headquarters" label as a more complete physical address.
 * The website link to be replaced with URL as it takes up less space (in bytes).
 * Lead section:
 * Update to be provided on the current president of the Institute, as Abi Williams no longer holds that position.
 * Madeleine Albright info to be moved to the "Leadership" section, as she is no longer a part of the Institute's Advisory Council, which itself is currently inactive.
 * "History" section:
 * "Reports on mismanagement" subsection to be renamed to "Reports of mismanagement" as a slight grammatical edit.
 * Sentences beginning "Shortly thereafter, another organization…" and ending "…which documents in question were destroyed is unclear" in the "Reports of mismanagement" subsection to be removed, as that information is not mentioned in the accompanying source given.
 * The "Closure" subsection to be renamed to "Bankruptcy and revival" as the Institute was not permanently closed; updates since bankruptcy to be added with sources, including Saber's appointment as president and Mohamed Abuwasel's appointment as vice president.
 * "Leadership" section:
 * Pictures of Abi Williams and Madeleine Albright to be removed as they are no longer active within the Institute.
 * Picture of Sohair Saber to be added to accompany new information regarding her appointment as president.
 * "Advisory Council" subsection to be removed as neither the council nor any of the listed members are currently active within the Institute.
 * Info on Saber and Abuwasel's appointments to be added as part of the chronology of the Institute's leadership.
 * "Work" section:
 * First sentence in the Global Governance Reform Initiative (GGRI) paragraph (last paragraph in "Projects" subsection) to be rewritten to provide the Initiative's launch date and purpose in that order (the information was previously presented in the reverse order).
 * Events in the "Public discussions" subsection to be reorganised in chronological order to make the information easier to follow.
 * "External links" section:
 * Water Diplomacy Consortium and Knowledge Platform Security and Rule of Law links to be removed as they are indirectly related to the Institute, per WP:ELNO.
 * Institute link to be replaced with Official website as the official website is present in the article's Wikidata item and the template takes up less space.


 * Davykamanzi → <b style="color:#0AE;">talk</b> • <b style="color:#ED2;">contribs</b> • <b style="color:#264;">alter ego</b> 10:49, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Reply 29-AUG-2019
Regards, Spintendo  07:25, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Where changes to the text have been proposed, the exact verbatim wording of the text has not been included. This verbatim text should be included here, accompanied by references.
 * 2) Where changes to the infobox have been suggested, references have not been included to verify the desired changes.
 * 3) Where text from the article has been proposed to be deleted, the exact verbatim text has not been included with the request.

Updated edit request 2
Requesting the edits again as outlined in the previous section (diff here; disregard user header code at the top of the page). I do however think that has been unnecessarily difficult with regard to reviewing the proposed changes when it was not demanded of me to be as precise in previous requests I've made, because the requests were already clear in what the proposed additions/omissions/edits were, where they were to be made and why I requested them to be made.


 * General:
 * Edit all references across the article for consistency per WP:CITEVAR, which is not followed in the current version of the article; in particular, replace references 4, 6, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 22 and 23 in the current version of the article with new links to the same sources as the aforementioned references feature dead links.
 * Add Use dmy dates to the top of the article in keeping with the date format used in the references.
 * Create a new section entitled "History" under the lead section and move the "Reports on mismanagement" and "Closure" sections below the "History" section, so as to have the Institute's organisational history presented in one section.
 * Remove the subsection titles of the "Projects" section and separate each subsection as paragraphs in chronological order; in the current version of the article, the said subsections each only contain two or three sentences, which could all be neatly presented together under one section.
 * Make the "Publications" section a subsection of the "Work" section (below the "Projects" subsection) as it pertains to the work of the Institute.
 * Remove the disestablishment categories at the footer of the article, as the Institute is still running.
 * Infobox:
 * Remove the words "near Plein 1813 in The Hague" from the caption of the headquarters image in the infobox as that information is not relevant (Plein 1813 cannot be seen in the image).
 * Removed the "Dissolved" year as the Institute is still running.
 * Replace Abiodun Williams with Sohair Salam Saber as the current president of the Institute, as she was appointed to the role in January 2019.
 * Move the words "The Hague" within the parameter of the infobox next to the words "Sophialaan 10" in the  parameter as a slight formatting to provide a more complete physical address.
 * Replaced the website link with URL as doing so reduces the size of the article (in bytes).
 * Lead section:
 * Replace Abiodun Williams with Sohair Salam Saber as the current president of the Institute, as she was appointed to the role in January 2019.
 * Move the sentence beginning "Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright" to the "Leadership" section, as Albright is no longer a part of the Institute's Advisory Council (which itself is currently inactive) but is still relevant in the Institute's leadership history.
 * "History" section:
 * Rename "Reports on mismanagement" to "Reports of mismanagement" as a slight grammatical edit.
 * Remove the sentences beginning "Shortly thereafter, another organization…" and ending "…which documents in question were destroyed is unclear" in the "Reports of mismanagement" subsection, as that information is not mentioned in the accompanying source given in the current version of the article (reference 27).
 * Rename the "Closure" subsection to "Bankruptcy and revival" as the Institute was not permanently closed; as avilabe in the diff, including the sentences beginning "Saber's appointment as president and Mohamed Abuwasel's appointment as vice president.
 * "Leadership" section:
 * Remove the pictures of Abi Williams and Madeleine Albright as neither are active within the Institute any longer.
 * Add picture of Sohair Saber to accompany new information regarding her appointment as president.
 * Remove the "Advisory Council" subsections as neither the council nor any of the listed members are currently active within the Institute.
 * Information on Saber and Abuwasel's appointments to be added as part of the chronology of the Institute's leadership.
 * "Work" section:
 * Rewrite the first sentence in the Global Governance Reform Initiative (GGRI) paragraph (last paragraph in "Projects" subsection) [starting with "The Global Governance Reform Initiative tackled issues…"] so as to provide the Initiative's launch date and purpose in that order (the information is presented in the reverse order in the current version of the article).
 * Reorganise the events (paragraphs) in the "Public discussions" subsection in chronological order to make the information easier to follow.
 * "External links" section:
 * Remove the links to the Water Diplomacy Consortium and Knowledge Platform Security and Rule of Law, as they are only indirectly related to the Institute (per WP:ELNO).
 * Institute link to be replaced with Official website as the official website is present in the article's Wikidata item and the template takes up less space.

Davykamanzi → <b style="color:#0AE;">talk</b> • <b style="color:#ED2;">contribs</b> • <b style="color:#264;">alter ego</b> 20:56, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, the requirements I've sought were not laid out by me — rather — those are the template's instructions. Regards, Spintendo  21:37, 29 August 2019 (UTC)