Talk:The Honeymooners/Archive 1

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This article seems to need major clean-up.

Agreed. Right off the bat we have this sentence: "The show occasionally features more serious issues such as women's rights and social status." The lead paragraph of a wiki should never discuss tangents. Either assert that these are central themes of the show (and support that with real sources, not just cites to equally spurious claims) or cut the whole thing. This type of sloppiness is endemic to Wiki and re-enforces the perception of its inferiority to traditional encyclopedias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C2:1600:5E0:706E:4871:1375:9CE5 (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Reorg on 1 Mar 2006
In this reorganization I have removed:


 * Notable episodes: TV or Not TV (where Ralph and Ed share a TV set, not having the money to get each their own, only to have the TV turn out to be more trouble than it was worth) and Better Living Through TV (where Ralph and Ed try to sell a household appliance on live TV, only to make a mess of the proceedings).

It is not clear why these episodes are notable; I am trying to make the article more NPOV. Someone might consider annotating the episode list and using this information in the annotations. Joshuardavis 02:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The New Honeymooners
I clearly recall colour episodes in syndication of The New Honeymooners, starring (I believe) the original cast. It may have been collected from skits from The Jackie Gleason Show. Perhaps someone with more knowledge could include this info. in the article. Fishhead64 17:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

GA note
I just want to note that the DVD picture has no Fair Use rationale. Wiki-newbie 21:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 22:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

GA passing
Thumbs up to all the editors! Wiki-newbie 11:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Pert Kelton
she was not suffering "Heart Problems" at the time Meadows was recast as Alice. In Fact it was Kelton, not this Ginger Jones person, who was "blacklisted" in the aftermath of the Red Channels scare —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.19.107.64 (talk • contribs)
 * The text is meant to indicate that it was Kelton who was blacklisted, but perhaps it was not as clear is it could be. I will fix that.  As for Kelton's heart problems, they have been documented by multiple sources, unless you can cite some that say different.  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 14:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Miss Kelton was indeed suffering from Heart Problems at the time, but that had nothing to do with the blacklisting

Catchphrases
POW! Right in the kisser! How come this was never mentioned in the article?

It is mentioned in the article. Claude 06:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

This is still unanswered:

In the Classic 39, Ralph never says "Bang, Zoom...To the Moon!". "Bang, Zoom!" is one expression that we hear, and there are numerous references to being sent to the moon (e.g. "You're going to the moon!"), but so far as I know the two aren't combined. Does this happen somewhere in the "Lost" episodes, or should the phrases be split in the various places in the article where it appears? Claude 17:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Claude 06:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The other night on David Letterman there was this on his "Funfacts" segment: "For a short while, back in the early 60's NASA officials considered having Jackie Gleason Punch astronauts to the moon."

GA Sweep (on hold)
This article has been reviewed as part of WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. Although it's a well-written and generally well-referenced article (with some gaps, but adequate for GA), I have found a couple of issues that may need to be addressed:


 * The single biggest problem is the Imapct and legacy section. As a huge, under-referenced, bullet-pointed infodump it rather lets the rest of the article down. I would recommend a ruthless pruning of the section, and the rewriting of what remains into prose as opposed to a list.
 * I'm not sure about the validity of the Flintstones FAQ as a reliable source

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are being addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, EyeSerene TALK 13:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

GA sweep (delisted)
As the issues above have not been addressed, I have reluctantly delisted The Honeymooners as a Good article. Please feel free to renominate the article at WP:GAN once the article has been brought up to standard. If you feel this assessment was in error, or have any concerns about the conduct of this review, I can be contacted directly on my talk page. Alternatively you can list the article at WP:GAR for wider GA reviewer input. Regards, EyeSerene TALK 09:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Cast/Characters
What the hell is with the cast list? All of these names are nonsense; they don't bring up anything on the search, and I doubt anyone with a working knowledge of the Honeymooners is going to believe that Ralph was played by "Marty Andreas" instead of the great Jackie Gleason. I'm changing this. 71.215.201.70 (talk) 03:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The classic 36 not 39
Last short was Manager of Baseball team, redone from 1953 version. Together with My Favorite Landlord they should be part of classic 39. Originally Gleason wanted 36 shows, because last three were shown durinig 56/57 season. Last show was supposed to be Bensenhurst Bomber, not my favorite brunet, the Bomber episode is the best of the series! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Listonlisto (talk • contribs) 21:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect
As Clark Ingram notes on his DuMont Network site, "DuMont had just spent five million dollars to build its elaborate Tele-Centre in New York City, which opened on June 14, 1954. The facility was a showplace, but was built at a time when New York was fading as a network origination center and as television was converting to filmed programs, rather than the "live" shows which originated from the Tele-Centre. DuMont had put its eggs in the wrong basket.", therefore, and using my own knowledge on the subject, I re-worded parts of the article on it's production techniques, and added a note about another blue-collar sitcom, The Life of Riley, which had started with Jackie Gleason in the lead role, before being cancelled and brought back with a different cast. Retro Agnostic (talk) 06:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Chelsea Studios
I just created an article on Chelsea Studios. This source says that some episodes of The Honeymooners was filmed there. The article says they were all filmed at the Adelphi. Americasroof (talk) 23:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Marvin Marx/Marccx
There is no reference to this, the named "creator" of the show, anywhere in the article, nor any reference given identifying him as the creator. Googling the name shows nothing but references to the language employed in this article. The person appears to be fictional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.189.203.163 (talk) 19:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I corrected a small spelling error "dialogue"
Sheesh! I saw a spelling miscue for "dialog" or "dialogue," changed it to the latter, then went to the bottom to describe my edit, saying, "I colrrected dialogue spelling Larry (talk) 03:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)" and see the extra l in "corrected as I hit enter.

(Fume, fume)  Larry (talk) 03:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)  :)

Network vs. Station: Something that has to be corrected
Tonight, I had to correct a section which stated that Cavalcade of Stars first appeared on Dumont Television Station instead of Network.

I don't mean to put anyone down, but this has to be made clear - television networks and television stations are two completely different things. A television station is one solitary unit serving a defined geographic area (for example, WCBS-TV New York, the CBS East Coast Flagship serves the New York metropolitan area only); one television station, at least in definition can't be seen by the whole country. A television network are television stations which tie together to give one set of programming (for example, NBC is made up of 210 stations (including those owned by the network and those run by third parties) which at certain times of the day run the same programming across all stations).

Keeping this in mind will help prevention further confusion in the future. 71.183.130.187 (talk) 01:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

What does the name mean?
Can someone add to the article a short explanation of what "The Honeymooners" is supposed to mean? I have never understood the title. Is it ironic? Or what? 66.67.24.71 (talk) 01:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I think the terminology of the title is basically ironic. The couple (Ralph and Alice) are married... but its as though their honeymoon period never ended. They're still on their honeymoon, years later after they were initially married. However, my interpretation is probably subjective. There are no clear-cut reasons for the meaning of the title given by the creators of the show, so we can't really add the precise definition that the creators intended of the title's meaning into the article without asserting undue weight; although I do believe that I am correct as I have watched the 39 shows multiple times. 165.138.95.59 (talk) 17:25, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

nothing about family guy?
i have never watched this show (although it seems great and i would like to see atleast an episode) but i am a big fan of family guy and i come on here to look up more about the honeymooners knowing thats what the show has paradied several times, but there is nothing in the legacy section? somebody with more knowledge should add it in
 * Because if we did that, every famous TV series would probably have to include that. There's little Family Guy HASN'T referenced. Takeshi357 (talk) 05:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Indonesian remake
This section needs a complete rewrite. It suddenly changes to first person plural mid-sentence and contains more information than necessary. Takeshi357 (talk) 06:00, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Pert Kelton / Ethel Owen
The role of Alice Kramden was originally played by Pert Kelton, then by Audrey Meadows. Ethel Owen never played Alice, although she did play Alice's mother in some episodes. Here are my references: Richard27182 (talk) 06:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * http://www.redskeltoncomedyshow.com/entertainment/honeymooners.html
 * http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/recasting-call-7-actors-who-got-it-right.html/?a=viewall

Location
The article states, "The actual 328 Chauncey Street is located in the Stuyvesant Heights section of the borough, approximately eight miles northeast of the show's fictional location." Is there anything in the article to establish that location?Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 04:23, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect information about story arc
Under Plot it says: "But, it was not until the 1967 "Trip To Europe" shows that a Honeymooners story arc is finally used."

This is incorrect. Those 1967 episodes are remakes (right down to musical numbers) of a story arc that ran from February 2-April 13, 1957 on The Jackie Gleason Show: 1956–57 Episodes 11-18 here: (included on the "Lost Episodes" collection discs).

On the first episode of the arc, aired February 2, 1957 Jackie Gleason says in the opening they are trying something new tonight, the first time the Honeymooners being done as musical.

Tom2600:1700:BA70:1E10:99AD:30B9:6320:2E6 (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Update: I see the article has been updated to reflect "(an updated version of a 1957 story arc, with musical numbers added)". This is still incorrect (see note above about Jackie Gleason's comment about the format), the musical numbers were part of the 1957 arc. These episodes are available to be verified on Prime video.

2600:1700:BA70:1E10:ECF8:86AE:653D:6094 (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2020 (UTC)Tom

Fourth Wall Broken
I actually challenge the fact that Twas The Night Before Christmas as being the only time the fourth wall was broken in the series. It may be left open for debate but in my personal opinion, it happened again in Please Leave The Premises. It was when Ralph and Alice are sitting at the kitchen table outside of their apartment building and when Ralph finally gives up and goes in to pay the $5 increase in rent, Alice looks towards the camera and states, "Pins and needles, needles and pins, a happy woman is a woman who grins!" She was alone and faced the camera, thus feeling as though she was saying that directly to the audience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.40.95.154 (talk) 03:10, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The original Alice
I’d like to know what happened to the original Alice that aired 1951 138.207.200.253 (talk) 14:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Announcer
Article says: The show's original announcer was Jack Lescoulie, who also was a spokesman for the sponsor, Buick. For the non-sponsored syndicated version, the introduction was voiced by CBS staff announcer Gaylord Avery.

I have a tape recording of the syndicated version that aired in the mid 1970s and it’s definitely Jack Lescoulie. I noticed the Gaylord Avery version beginning in the 1980s...probably 1985 when there was renewed interest in the series due to the syndication of the so-called “lost” episodes, including records, books, etc. 2600:4040:5D30:4800:391D:45CA:A0C5:E597 (talk) 15:04, 8 April 2023 (UTC)