Talk:The Hunting Party (album)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:48, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The Hunting Party (album) → The Hunting Party (Linkin Park album) – This album ["It’s easy to speculate that “The Hunting Party” could be the name of the album" - no confirmed source that this will be the title] won't be released until June 2014. It cannot claim to be only topic per WP:DAB when en.wp already mentions The Hunting Party original soundtrack album by British composer Rolfe Kent to Richard Gere's The Hunting Party (2007 film). In ictu oculi (talk) 09:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I amended RM to include ["It’s easy to speculate that.."] per discussion following. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, it should point to the disambiguaiton page -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 04:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - If the article for that soundtrack album doesn't exist, then that disambiguation is unnecessary. As far as I can tell, not only does that article not exist, but the respective film's soundtrack doesn't even have a subsection dedicated to it. Sergecross73   msg me   00:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Sergecross73. User:STATicVapor, why do you think that whether another article exists or not is relevant? Do you want The Hunting Party (soundtrack) WP:FORKed into a standalone article? What you've said appears be in contradiction of WP:Disambiguation which specifically says in the first paragraph that article content is what matters, not whether an article is forked into a standalone or not. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm saying its "answering a question no one asked". Why would someone be looking for the soundtrack of a 7 year old movie where the film article doesn't even deem it necessary to mention its soundtrack? It's not practical, it wouldn't be helping anyone. Sergecross73   msg me   16:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that WP:Disambiguation be changed so that content from 2007 (such as this album mentioned in Rolfe Kent article) should be ignored when new films/albums/etc are about to be released?
 * As I read it WP:Disambiguation treats the 2007 album which actually exists and is the only album which comes up on Amazon.com as an equally valid topic to the album which may be released under this name 3 months from now. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I'm suggesting we don't disambiguate from articles that don't exist, and aren't likely to either. Sergecross73   msg me   17:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, sorry, but we do Hurricane (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 18:01, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are using Hurricane (disambiguation) as an example then what you should realise is that there are multiple different articles under different subjects (music, television, vehicles and geography) and if you have even looked the Hunting party disambiguation page, it has two mentions under music, and as you can see, only this article has an article, the Rolfe Kent soundtrack does not, therefore it is unnecessary. 18:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is what I was about to say. (Also, its a bad example because hurricane essentially has an article at tropical cyclone, so its not an example of disambiguating from an article that doesn't exist.) Sergecross73   msg me   18:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I see no need to repeat myself, I have alreadly linked to the guideline 3 times. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you point me to the part where we're supposed to disambiguate between articles that don't exist in particular? Like, not just linking to WP:DAB, but a subsection or quote that says this? In fact, if anything, per WP:DABRELATED, if the film article doesn't even mention the film's soundtrack, I don't think the film's soundtrack should be listed at the DAB page. If that's the case, there's even less of a rationale for your move, because this article would be the only entry under "music". Sergecross73  msg me   18:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The first line. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous—when it refers to more than one topic covered by Wikipedia." - That's the first line how I see it. The film's soundtrack is not a "topic covered by Wikipedia", so I have no idea what you're getting at. Sergecross73   msg me   19:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Is the soundtrack album mentioned in the composer's bio article or not? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * At Rolfe Kent? Its a 2 paragraph article sourced entirely to IMDB, where the film is listed in a laundry list of other movies he's done music for. Much like the film article, absolutely no content on the actual soundtrack. Unless its somewhere I'm not looking, Wikipedia has literally no information on this soundtrack, other than a wrongful entry on the DAB page. Sergecross73   msg me   19:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The DAB lists to Rolfe Kent, if you believe this is a "wrongful entry", then first delete the album from the composer article. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed the soundtrack from the DAB page since its neither covered at Rolfe Kent or the film's article, per WP:DABRELATED. As such, this article is now the only album covered on Wikipedia with the name The Hunting Party, and as such, "(album)" is a sufficient disambiguation choice per WP:PRECISION. Sergecross73   msg me   19:39, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you also intend to delete mention of The Hunting Party from the composer's page? In ictu oculi (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it doesn't even mention the soundtrack by name... Sergecross73   msg me   22:34, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * How do you define "mention the soundtrack by name"? As I stated in the Move Proposal "when en.wp already mentions The Hunting Party original soundtrack album by British composer Rolfe Kent", but you say the Rolfe Kent bio doesn't mention it. What is your definition of "mention by name"? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The article says he's worked on soundtracks for these movies, and then lists off 20-some movies. The film is linked as one. The film says nothing of the soundtrack. That's it. Do you really find such a DAB helpful to anyone? Sergecross73   msg me   13:06, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You are reaching there In ictu oculi, if his article does not even discuss the soundtrack in depth in the slightest, it is unessasary. How many people do you really think would be searching looking for a almost decade old soundtrack, to a film whose article does not mention it, rather than an album by one of the biggest bands in the world. STATic message me!   13:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * User talk:Sergecross73, yes I consider that having the name Linkin Park on the forthcoming Linkin Park will be helpful to some users, or I wouldn't have submitted a RM.
 * (1) the Rolfe Kent album was/is mentioned in the composer bio. You are incorrect to say "it doesn't even mention the soundtrack by name..." and I believe you are incorrect in deleting the Rolfe Kent album from the dab page.
 * (2) the Rolfe Kent album is the only topic on Amazon.com
 * (3) the Rolfe Kent album is the only topic in Google Books
 * (4) there is so far still apparently no WP:RS to confirm the name of a June 2014 Linkin Park album, other than WP:CRYSTALBALL.
 * Under these combined circumstances (1)(2)(3)(4) including the name of Linkin Park in the title of the unconfirmed Linkin Park album may well be helpful to some users and cause inconvenience to no one. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well then, I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree, and see how the consensus unfolds. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me   15:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose Per Segecross73's comment, if there is no other album with that name that has an article, there is zero need for disambiguation. STATic message me!   01:34, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Unless there was another 'The Hunting Party' album article, there is no need. 17:34, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Name of the album is just speculation
What I know, there is not any official confirmation about the name of the album. Therefore I would suggest to rename it to "Sixth studio album (Linkin Park)" or just make a redirect until the name is confirmed. --Stryn (talk) 14:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * They haven't officially announced it? It's been mentioned in so many sources (here, here, or here, for example) that I assume that it was official. We'll want to make sure - if its renamed something like "Sixth Studio Album", it will almost certainly be deleted/redirected per WP:HAMMER. (Honestly, it probably could be now even, but I personally don't like to waste time and push for deletion for things that will almost certainly be notable relatively soon.) Sergecross73   msg me   15:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I know, there is some sources which are sure that it will be name of the album, but I'm sure they thinks so just because of the one YouTube video. Btw : "It’s easy to speculate that “The Hunting Party” could be the name of the album. However June 14th is a hard sell on a release date as that falls on a Saturday and albums almost always are released on Tuesdays." --Stryn (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Re this. We're still looking for a reliable source for the album name. However I've moved up the relevant ref from Boston Music, with full sentence to preempt linkrot. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There are no reliable sources because the name hasn't been revealed. It's that easy.--Gbuvn (talk) 09:22, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * So in other words: this article should not exist yet with that name because the name hasn't been even revealed. --Stryn (talk) 10:39, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It could be renamed into Linkin Park's sixth studio album. --Gbuvn (talk) 20:46, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You may as well just redirect it right now if you re-name it that. Articles with that sort of title are never kept. Sergecross73   msg me   21:15, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I see no one has restored the deletion of The Hunting Party album which actually exists from the dab page. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:00, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

This source claims to have listened to much of the album, and calls the album as "The Hunting Party". They know many track names, so it makes sense that they'd know the album name too. Sergecross73  msg me   12:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The titles could be made up. I don't really think you can take that as a reliable source. --Gbuvn (talk) 15:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * What's the practical scenario you see from that source then? That they mentioned specific song titles, and listened to actual tracks, and yet didn't actually talk about the album title? They went out of their way to say the release date isn't confirmed yet, so they would have said the same about title if that was really the case. Sergecross73   msg me   15:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * A new interview just came out and that should finally be a reliable source: http://www.complex.com/tv/shows/complex-news/interview-linkin-parks-mike-shinoda-on-working-with-rakim-and-not-making-music-for-radio But still, I'd remove the track names from the article since those are partly from your source and partly from an LPTV episode (working titles most likely). --Gbuvn (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with removing that. I didn't think we used partial song lists like that, but wasn't sure because honestly almost all of the album articles I create or maintain already have complete track lists. Sergecross73   msg me   17:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Remove partial track list
So, I didn't want to edit war, and I figure this will keep coming up, so looking for consensus on this. The tracklist, as portrayed here, should be removed, because its unsourced, and its numbering seems to suggest an order that hasn't been revealed yet. Thoughts? Sergecross73  msg me   17:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep, definitely should be removed immediately, which I have already done. If there are any official song names confirmed, then a "confirmed tracks" section presented in a bulleted list is appropriate. STATic message me!   17:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2014
Please change the image for the album to this picture (https://s3.amazonaws.com/vice_asset_uploader/files/1397053470LP_Cover.jpg). This has been confirmed as the cover for the album.

XxEvilFacex (talk) 16:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Files that aren't uploaded here can't be used on articles here. See WP:FFU to get it uploaded here. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Tracklist
The tracklist for the album is included by me. The reference is from this site http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/linkin_park_announce_new_album_the_hunting_party_unveil_cover_and_release_date.html The album list was also uploaded in a facebook page for the album. Chopra.nitin96 (talk) 09:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it was removed because it's not a track list, its just a list of confirmed songs. There's a difference. Its original research to take a list of songs, and assume its a track list, so I support the user who removed it. Sergecross73   msg me   15:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We can make a list of confirmed songs if there really are some, however it would not be in a Template: Track listing, and we would not a site that is considered a reliable source to report them as confirmed. STATic message me!   17:22, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2014
In the second paragraph, where it says: "the band's first featured musicians on a studio album." It's been bugging me for a long, long time. The proper grammar would be: "it's the band's first studio album featuring musicians from other bands."

2600:1007:B12E:1D62:DD83:7A31:AA1D:2F0B (talk) 20:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have made the edit; I feel as though your suggested phrasing is more complete and informative. --JustBerry (talk) 21:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Wastelands
The new song Wastelands is a promotional single and not a single! It is streamed via radio! It has a lyric video doesn't mean it is a single! Lies Greed Misery also had a lyric video but it is a promotional single! Please someone edit it!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.134.29 (talk) 14:03, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes I agree with you! This is wrong! And the same goes with Rebellion. The theory which these people follow is the song which has a lyric video is a single! Please edit this! Naam toh suna hi hoga (talk) 07:50, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually it is a single! It was released as a digital single in Australia! Chopra.nitin96 (talk) 04:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * How about Rebellion and Final Masquerade? Are they promotional singles or "real" singles? --Stryn (talk) 18:03, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Rebellion and Final Masquerade are real singles, not promotional singles. User:Skylar3214 5:53, 9 June 2014

The Hunting Part (CD + DVD)
I think there should be a separate page for the DVD Video Album just like Living Things + and A Thousand Suns+. Please give a suggestions. Chopra.nitin96 (talk) 13:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I feel like your examples don't even deserve an article. They're little beyond a track list, and mostly sourced by retail listings. They should probably be redirects themselves at this point... Sergecross73   msg me   16:23, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I feel there should be a separate page! Because they are not only beyond a track list but also a video album! Just think of it! I shall create a page as soon as there would be a proper name and cover available for the VIDEO ALBUM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.203.222.255 (talk) 11:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I got the cover for DVD and the Name is The Hunting Party (DVD), like Breaking the Habit (DVD). So I would make the page for it. Mike: Golu   · [ ChitChat ] 06:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You guys need to be able to prove it meets the WP:GNG or it will just be redirected or deleted. So far, all of the "similar examples" given are on terrible shape and in danger of deletion/redirect themselves. Sergecross73   msg me  10:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Final Masquerade a real single
This is proof that "Final Masquerade" is actually the real single from this album. Fifth New Linkin Park Single User:Skylar3214 5:53, 9 June 2014
 * No, that's not proof. It wasn't written by the websites staff, it was written by a random user. That person is no different than you or me randomly declaring it a single. Their source, MTV, doesn't refer to it as a single, FYI. Sergecross73   msg me   01:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's when you're lying to me. If I can't find it, then you do it yourself! User:Skylar3214 6:16, 9 June 2014
 * What? How is he lying to you? It's not a single, just because a random person on the internet said "It's a single" doesn't mean it is in fact a single. 01:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Then, you're lying too, and yes, it "does mean that it's a single". You're clearly operating under a false pretense. Now, you're starting to tempt me, both of you. User:Skylar3214 8:02, 9 June 2014
 * How am I "lying" to you? Here's a tip you clearly haven't picked up on yet - telltale sign of an author not actually bring a staff writer/editor is looking at their name. If someone is going by something that doesn't sound like a real name (Like "John Smith"), it's probably not part of the staff, and as such, is not usuable. So, when you come across something written by someone writing under the name "UnaMUSEd", you can typically assume it's not coming from a reliable source. Sergecross73   msg me   03:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't really care. You both lied to me for this. You want a better resource than mine, go do it yourself! User:Skylar3214 8:20, 9 June 2014
 * I have searched for this and nope it does not exist, it's not a single. You really need to check up what is considered reliable and what is not, cause at this rate, your the one under false 'pretence' and your just embarrassing yourself the way you act like a know it all. And tempt you? Is that a threat? Don't be ridiculous. 08:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Yo girls, Final Masquerade" was released to the Australian Google Play store today as a single. Guess this discounts this entire argument now. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 09:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Is every song released as a digital download before the album automatically a single? If not, your source doesn't prove anything either. Sergecross73   msg me   10:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Umm... yes? Not sure what you're trying to point out... RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 10:47, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Aren't they sometimes just lesser "promotional singles" or even just "random song" status? Sergecross73   msg me   11:07, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it was released as a single. A one-track single with artwork available to purchase. It was not released to radio, to my knowledge, so it's not a Promotional single. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 04:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

User:RazorEyeEdits, Google Play is not an exclusive of Australia, you know? The single is out worldwide --Zack Tartufo (talk) 11:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I was told the link didn't work in other countries, so I couldn't say for certain that it was released outside my country. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 04:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Official singles
I doubt that the status of being released as an individual song on Google Play makes it an official single. So far the songs with definite single status are Guilty All the Same and Until It's Gone, the other three songs individually released seem to be promotional singles if anything, is there any other reference other than Google Play? 12:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, this. I'll drop it if a reputable source like Billboard calls it a single. Should be easy to find if they're real singles. Sergecross73   msg me   12:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Put the other three songs back to the way it was! They've already been confirmed as official singles! They're not PROMOTIONAL SINGLES!!! "Wastelands", "Rebellion", and "Final Masquerade" are real singles! User:Skylar3214 11:17, 10 June 2014
 * What reference is there apart from Google Play? 18:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You tell me! I ain't telling you nothing! User:Skylar3214 12:19, 10 June 2014
 * Thats not how it works, you need to provide references to back up the information, which you are failing to do, so unless you do so, they are perceived as promo singles. I really do wan't to see an actual reference since that will settle the argument, no reference means a constant argument. 21:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't care! You do it yourself for lying to me, if I can't! User:Skylar3214 4:00, 10 June 2014
 * Fine then, then they remain as promotional singles. And I never said you can't use reliable sources, you just refuse to use them (if you have any). 23:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I still say they're singles, and I'm not going to change my mind about it cause THEY ARE!!! And you just said it now, so quit tempting me! User:Skylar3214 8:31, 10 June 2014
 * Per WP:V and WP:BURDEN, that argument has no value on Wikipedia. Sergecross73   msg me  03:39, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Nobody cares about that, now stop! We're all done here, if you keep up with the lies! User:Skylar3214 8:42, 10 June 2014
 * WP:V is the very core of what defines Wikipedia. How can you say "no one cares about that"? Sergecross73   msg me  03:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * 'Cause I can, that's how! User:Skylar3214 9:04, 10 June 2014
 * Just stop and look at the article, otherwise no ones going to listen to you and if you keep going on you'r just going to get blocked. And I said they are Promotional singles, not actual Singles. 11:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Everyone, the OFFICIAL SITE OF LINKIN PARK is a reference apart from Google Play. Your "promotional singles" are just normal singles as a fact and now even for the band itself, so undo your nonsense edits. --Zack Tartufo (talk) 16:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a Primary source, not a secondary source. A secondary source is required to confirm its status. Find one and that will make it official. 17:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I've already been blocked from editing, so what are you going to do about it? User:Skylar3214 12:29, 11 June 2014
 * No you're not. If you were blocked, you couldn't have written that. Also, your block log is empty, show zero blocks. Sergecross73   msg me  19:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Is not already a secondary source Google Play?? --Zack Tartufo (talk) 20:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Please stop doing what you want ignoring even what the band itself says and delete that lying "Promotional" line from the three singles. --Zack Tartufo (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't need to ask anyone to stop, people are well within their rights to ask for better sources. Most of the sources given are not what Wikipedia would deem reliable. They're fansites, obscure blogs, or user (not staff) submitted news articles. You and Skylar both need to work on identifying reliable sources. A bunch are listed at WP:ALBUMS/REVSIT. Sergecross73   msg me  21:33, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I can only edit on talk pages for articles, not on pages themselves, like this one, and I'm still blocked from it! User:Skylar3214 2:36, 11 June 2014
 * That sounds more like page protection. Sergecross73   msg me  21:37, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it isn't! User:Skylar3214 2:45, 11 June 2014

A Word from the Maintaining Editor
Guys, a single is a music release, NOT a status, as SilentDan297 had mistakenly put it earlier. It usually has one track or more, and it usually has a play length of around 5 minutes or so. You don't release a song and have a criteria list to judge whether or not it is a single is or not; you just release a single, just like you would release an EP or Album. All three singles were released as digital downloads. "Wastelands" in particular was given a radio release. Simple as that. Don't know why you people are arguing over this. They're just singles. I'm surprised you people haven't come up with the idea that The Hunting Party isn't an album, because this is what essentially this argument is the equivalent to. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 22:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool, provide a source and we're set. Sergecross73   msg me  23:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The sources are in the above section, it's you that continues to ignore them. --Zack Tartufo (talk) 00:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't ignore them. I clearly responded. Those sources are not reliable. I even gave a link to some sources that would be considered reliable. There was no response to my comments. If anyone is being ignored, it's me. Sergecross73   msg me  00:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sputnik music source - only staff written articles are useable WP:ALBUM/REVSIT, WP:SPS. Article writer "UnaMUSED" is not a staff member. Sergecross73   msg me  00:38, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Even then, why wouldn't a site like Google Play not be reliable? They sell music. I bought my copy of the "Final Masquerade" single from Google Play, by the way. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 00:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Because I don't see the word "single" anywhere at the link. Am I missing that word somewhere? Sergecross73   msg me  00:46, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that you don't exactly understand. Are you assuming releases like "Wastelands" and "Final Masquerade" are albums or something, just because they don't have the word "single" in their name? To my knowledge, the iTunes Store is the only one that actually puts the words "Single" and "EP" on their releases. It's obviously a single, because, well, it's only got one track and it's remarkably short. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 00:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems you don't understand - This is Wikiprdia, and everything comes back to WP:V. Anything that you claim is so obvious should be easily sourced. So let's see it. Sergecross73   msg me  00:53, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

There is seriously no need to repost the links once again, but in case you wanted to see the sources for the four millionth time, here's the "Wastelands", "Rebellion" and "Final Masquerade" singles available to purchase on Google Play. I still don't understand why you continue to believe no such singles exist, even when they're up for purchase, and many people have been shown the source many times already. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 03:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Let me spell it out for you. I want a source literally say "Song X is a single". GP sources don't say that word for word. Sergecross73   msg me  03:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Normally I do not resort to reciting the guidelines, since I'm a guy who's generally against having specific rules for a "free" and "open" encyclopedia, but I'm just going to have to call out WP:COMMONSENSE on this one. Yes, it is obvious. There exists these three singles. A secondary source is just a bonus point. Your argument is the equivalent of asking someone if they're happy or sad, and then wanting a secondary source to prove they they are happy/sad, or being told that "B" comes before "C" in the alphabet and then demanding a secondary source to prove that is correct. The single exists. It's there. You don't need a secondary source to prove that what you see now on Google Play is some hallucinogenic vision you see on your computer. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 03:46, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If we depended just on any primary source I think every article would look different. A band can joke and falsify information on their social media sites whereas a reliable secondary sources are professional, they give you reliable information because it's their job to do so and to get it right. I'm very much siding with Sergecross73  when he says that the sources that you have given us so far are from blogs or user contributed services, not staff written and not from other actual reliable sources, and the Google Play links as he says DO NOT state that they are singles, the word 'Single' isn't even mentioned on those pages. Every reference you have given us have been bogus so they are regarded as Promotional singles instead of Official singles. And in response to RazorEye on his first comment, you just argued against yourself, " It usually has one track or more, and it usually has a play length of around 5 minutes or so." meaning these Google Play links don't match your own criteria! So that's that, no reliable source calls these a single, where as Gulty All The Same (examples: Radio.com, HipHopDX) and Until Its Gone (examples: WebCitation (preorder allows you to download both singles), AltWire) have reliable sources confirming they are, those are just a few examples. So if you could provide such sources, that be great! Until then, they are NOT official singles.  11:10, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would just like to note that both Inquisitr and MTV  have referred to Final Masquerade as a single. Also, Noise11 predicted that Final Masquerade will enter the Top 30 Australian singles charts . &mdash;Dark 16:15, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's all I needed. MTV is a reliable, third party source. I remove my objections now. Sergecross73   msg me  16:21, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I have made the edits to the related articles, you are simply awesome! 18:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * All the songs have been released as a single. This is taken from the band's official website. Discography : Single Mike: Golu   · [ Confidential message ] 10:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2014
Please change the genre Hard Rock and Rap rock to Alternative Metal, Punk Rock, Hard Rock, and Rap Metal, because the majority of the songs are specified to these kinds of genre, and described it a a whole. Here are the reliable sources: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jun/12/linkin-park-the-hunting-party-review and http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/62680/Linkin-Park-The-Hunting-Party/ Thank you!

Ashskie (talk) 04:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


 * ❌ The Sputnikmusic review is by a user not a staff members, so it cannot be used. Their opinion is just as valued in the article as yours or mine. The Guardian review only says that Shinoda likes a punk rock sound, they do not call it a punk rock album or anything close to that. The one usable source (The Guardian) does not mention alternative metal, rap metal, or hard rock for that matter. STATic message me!   06:12, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Personnel
Someone please add the credits of the album from the link given below. http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-hunting-party-mw0002664226/credits Golu7276 (talk) 10:25, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring over genre of album
I've noticed there has been edit warring over the addition and removal of several genres. Needless to say, that is very unhelpful. As such, any further addition/removal of genre without proper consensus will not be tolerated. Discuss and gain consensus. Thanks. &mdash;Dark 03:44, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, part of this (that involved me anyway, since I know that others were trying to add genres as well) was over whether or not the source cited (http://www.laut.de) for the genre I was trying to add (alternative metal) was reliable, not necessarily the genre itself. I have already brought up discussion on the source at WP:Album and WP:RSN. I will not be adding alternative metal again, until either consensus confirms that the source is reliable, or if I just find another source for the genre. Kokoro20 (talk) 05:55, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I sure wouldn't agree to the adding of "metal"(of any kind) to the list of genres. Linkin Park is NOT nor have they ever been metal. It's bad enough that "hard" rock is listed. After hearing Guilty All The Same, Until It's Gone and Wastelands calling The Hunting Party "hard" is just ridiculous to the point that it actually made me laugh. --Jimv1983 (talk) 02:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it really comes down to what sources say though. If, in theory, reliable sources called them metal, it would be worth mentioning - we don't go by personal interpretations on Wikipedia. Sergecross73   msg me  20:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, after looking through some sources, not only Laut.de calls it alternative metal, but so does Hard Rock Haven and Mind Equals Blown. I'm not if Hard Rock Haven would be considered reliable, but here's evidence of Mind Equals Blown being reliable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_45#Mind_Equals_Blown_as_reliable_source
 * I think I'll make a bold move and re-add the genre with that source. Kokoro20 (talk) 05:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The discussion in that link is just one editors opinion. It is not consensus for the site being 1) reliable or 2) high enough prestige to have due weight in using them to classify a genre in the infobox. Please just continue to discuss, being bold at this point is out of question and is still going to be seen as in bad faith. STATic message me!   06:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, even so, I thought I would show a link to the evidence he provided. But okay then, I'll just do that. So, what now? Should we hold some kind of poll here or what? Kokoro20 (talk) 06:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you feel strong about it, provide all links that support the genre and see what others think. STATic message me!   06:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I may as well do it then. I made a sub-thread for the poll below. Kokoro20 (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

We seem to be neglecting the 12 already reliable sources used in the albums 'Professional Ratings' box in the 'Critical reception' section. These are the genres I have found on each page (excluding Metacritic) based on the reviews and not the listed genres that go with it:
 * AllMusic: rock, metal
 * Consequence of Sound: alternative metal,
 * The Guardian: hard rock
 * Loudwire: hard rock
 * The New Zealand Herald: rap rock
 * Revolver: punk, thrash, hard rock
 * Sputnikmusic: alternative rock, hard rock

The other sources haven't been mentioned since they don't even state any genres, but to me, Hard Rock should definitely be a key genre on this article, along with Alternative Rock/Metal as they are also commonly mentioned, the rest seem to be the odd ones out and should instead be mentioned in the Critical reception section. 11:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * What about rap rock? Like alternative rock and alternative metal, it's a common label for the band, and it's explicitly stated in The New Zealand Herald review. It's more explicit than the Revolver review, where it just says it's a mix of punk rock, thrash metal and hard rock. Kokoro20 (talk) 11:27, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with you there, the three genres should be alternative metal, hard rock and rap rock as it is also a common label for the album. 11:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * And to add, rap rock would be a far less controversial label than punk rock or thrash metal. The album contains influences of those genres in some areas, but I couldn't call the album either of those genres. Personally, I would considered the album to be more rap metal, rather than rap rock, but unfortunately, I haven't seen any sources for rap metal. So, I'm sticking with rap rock instead, as rap metal is a sub-genre of it anyway. Kokoro20 (talk) 12:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Genre Poll
I'll go ahead and notify some of the editors of this article.

The following sources call it an alternative metal album: http://www.laut.de/Linkin-Park/Alben/The-Hunting-Party-93468 http://hardrockhaven.net/online/2014/06/linkin-park-the-hunting-party-cd-review/ http://mindequalsblown.net/reviews/linkin-park-the-hunting-party http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/06/album-review-linkin-park-the-hunting-party/

Would you support the addition of alternative metal to the infobox, alongside hard rock and rap rock (both of which are also sourced in the article) using any of these sources? Thrown in either a support or oppose for the addition of the genre, based on the sources I listed above. I'll start first to show why I support this.

Support: Based on the evidence for Mind Equals Blown being reliable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_45#Mind_Equals_Blown_as_reliable_source). Alternative metal is not mentioned in the prose of that review, but in it's own section. But I don't see this being like Allmusic's sidebar. The reason Allmusic's sidebar shouldn't be used is because sometimes contradicts the prose (as stated at ALBUM/SOURCES. And that source only lists one genre too, whereas AllMusic usually lists multiple genres. Update: Now the CoS review (a site actually listed at WP:ALBUM/SOURCES) explicitly supports alternative metal in the prose with the line "...this is far more an alt metal record than anything else." Kokoro20 (talk) 08:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - you've got the sources, and it seems like a pretty common label for this sort of band. Sergecross73   msg me  11:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Support: I don't even know how we could have this argument. You've got sources and the album doesn't even sound like a hard rock album. Plus, none of the singles that have been released off the album have been classified as hard rock. Soooo. I don't understand how an album can be hard rock if there are no hard rock songs on it. Jacob Sudduth — Preceding undated comment added 12:32, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Considering how many sources support hard rock, I wouldn't agree with removing that. Kokoro20 (talk) 12:41, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If this is hard rock then what is Minutes to Midnight? MTM is classified as a alternative rock/metal album and this album's soft songs are heavier than MTM's heavy ones (besides Given Up, which is classified as alternative metal.) I just don't understand how this album is so noticeably heavier, but classified as being softer. Jacob Sudduth — Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Support: Even if they are not considered reliable, I believe if genres are constantly being referenced across the pages, it becomes more relevant, and since we have 4 pages describing the album as alternative metal, I think it should be mentioned along with hard rock. 11:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Consequence of Sound is definitely considered reliable though. One of the links I posted is from that site. Kokoro20 (talk) 11:27, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Even more reason for it then. 11:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Support: Consequence of Sound is reliable music website per WikiProject Albums/Sources and it clearly labels the album as alt metal. I think its inclusion is completely fine per this source. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Support: Pretty much everything is already said. Gbuvn (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support; several sources label the album as such and three genres isn't going to bloat the field or anything, unlike with something like Jamiroquai or of Montreal that falls potentially into dozens of genres, many of them with source backing available. Tezero (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support: The Consequence of Sound source is very explicit: "this is far more an alt metal record than anything else". I would support its addition based off of this source. However, this should also be discussed as prose in (I'm thinking) the Composition section, as the infobox should summarize the article. The other sources given above can help to support "alternative metal" in this section too. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 17:45, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Release date
This issue with album release dates(which seems to be an issue with many pages) needs to be fixed. This "first" release date idea is dumb. The info box should list the OFFICIAL release date as stated by the band and the recording studio. In the case of The Hunting Party the OFFICIAL release date as stated by Linkin Park and Warner Bros Records is Tuesday June 17th, 2014. The fact that some countries might have an early release date should not matter because those countries are not the source of the material. Every official mention of this album such as Linkin Park's web site, Warner Bros Records web site, Linkin Park's official Facebook page and Linkin Park's official YouTube channel ALL say June 17th so it makes the most sense to use that date. --Jimv1983 (talk) 03:04, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Just to update, I have added a discussion section on the page for album info box format to change the standard for release dates on albums. Using the first release date just causes confusion. --Jimv1983 (talk) 20:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's good, as my response was going to be that your complaint is bigger than just your article, and as such, changing the current guideline would need to be discussed somewhere else, like WP:ALBUMS. Sergecross73   msg me  20:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I really can't believe this is such an issue to begin with. I always thought Wikipedia was suppose to be a source of information that was not only correct as possible but consistent with other sources. As I said I have added a section on the talk page for Template:Infobox_album to try and get this resolved. I'm not sure what has to be done. At what point can it be determined that a consensus has been reached if very few or no people contribute to the discussion. I'm getting tired of changing album release dates to more accurate and consistent information only to have it reverted. --Jimv1983 (talk) 02:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I think your argument is entirely subjective and leads to fighting. So they picked something objective, like "first". Also, you may be a bit caught up in the moment. Months and years from now, a day or two difference really doesn't matter much... Sergecross73   msg me  03:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2014
Track 4 "The Summoning" and track 10 "Drawbar" are instrumentals. Source: I have the album.

Dawn Of Solace (talk) 04:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor Sing 09:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Producers
According to Allmusic the album is produced by bandmembers but in addition it is produced by Rob Cavallo and Emile Haynie. The album is said to be self produced but here there are extra producers. My question is "Is this correct?" Because Allmusic is a reliable source. Please share your ideas! Mike: Golu  · [ ChitChat ] 08:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sometimes AllMusic can be a little vague. For instance, I've seen them list three people as simply "vocals", when it was really one person who was the lead singer, and two others who just contributed guest vocals on one singular song. I wonder if that's what happened here? It's just a theory, but sometimes bands bring in an extra producers for singles. I can look into, but does anyone else know? Maybe it says in the album booklet? Sergecross73   msg me  11:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you are right. I think these producers would be producer for any existing single or any upcoming single. But due to this information I think we should keep them as a producer here. If any one has got the CD in USA, they can check this on the cover. In India all these names are included, because I have a copy of it. Mike: Golu   · [ ChitChat ] 14:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes it is in the booklet, I can confirm that. It says: "Wastelands" co-produced by Rob Cavallo. "Final Masquerade" co-produced by Emile Haynie. --Gbuvn (talk) 14:23, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool, so, I believe what we typically would do, is take Rob and Emily out of the info box, and in the personnel section, have it read like:
 * Rob Covallo - production on "Wastelands"
 * This is how I typically see it and do it. Is this consistent with guidelines? Sergecross73   msg me  15:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The section in the infobox is not just to list the main producer(s) of the album, but to list all individuals or teams that provided production on the album. STATic message me!   17:59, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. I must be used to video game guidelines then, where only key staff are listed in them. (Because sometimes there's like 5 composers or 10 designers involved. Sergecross73   msg me  19:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Made changes. In a related note, an editor added a category of "Emile produced albums". Is that appropriate if only one song of the album was produced by this person? Sergecross73   msg me  00:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

We need to get serious about the genre.
--72.251.108.80 (talk) 00:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)  Its obviously Nu Metal, Thrash Metal, Alternative Metal, and Alternative Rock. Its's not Hard Rock in any way it's too aggresive. Please change it because what you have down is misleading. --72.251.108.80 (talk) 00:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you want to "get serious", you need to provide some reliable sources for these genre. Sergecross73   msg me  00:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, now I found a source that supports alternative metal that is actually listed at WP:ALBUM/SOURCES. There's a line in the review that explicitly states "...this is far more an alt metal record than anything else." (alt metal is short for alternative metal) Here it is: http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/06/album-review-linkin-park-the-hunting-party/
 * Also, take a look at the above thread: Talk:The Hunting Party (album) Kokoro20 (talk) 05:09, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's more the "thrash" and "nu" I find to be more questionable. (Alt rock being more redundant to what we already have). Sergecross73   msg me  11:46, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2014
Please change the genre Hard rock and rap rock to Heavy metal, alternative metal, and rap metal.

121.54.83.69 (talk) 08:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

❌ The genres are currently under discussion - see the Edit warring over genre of album section above - please contribute any reliable sources you can cite to that discussion. The genres will not be changed until consensus has been reached. Arjayay (talk) 09:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Tracklist writers
Instead of Linkin Park for all the track, how would this do:

All tracks produced by Brad Delson and Mike Shinoda, except "Wastelands" co-produced by Rob Cavallo, and "Final Masquerade" co-produced by Emile Haynie.

Mike: Golu  · [ ChitChat ] 06:13, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is much better. Sergecross73   msg me  10:29, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Way better IMO. --Gbuvn (talk) 14:55, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Genres look really stupid and unintelligible.
--72.251.108.51 (talk) 10:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)  Thank you for adding Alt metal. But you still have Rock and Hard Rock there. Those genres are misleading. Nu Metal is the overall sound of this album. Look at what Nu Metal is then change he genre because some of you people obviously don't understand what any of these genres are otherwise this would have been changed a long time ago. Nu Metal should go first, then Thrash Metal, then Alternative Metal. Thank and please change it right this time. --72.251.108.51 (talk) 10:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Provide sources to back them up. Sergecross73   msg me  10:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/linkin-park-the-hunting-party

http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/album-groupe-Linkin_Park-nom_album-The_Hunting_Party-l-en.html

Better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.108.51 (talk) 11:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't believe either would constitute a reliable source, and I didn't see "thrash" mentioned in either anyways. Sergecross73   msg me  11:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Note from the band
In the CD there is a note from the band which could be included as a quote in the background section. Should we add this:

"We are not SATISFIED. We are HUNGRY.

HUNGRY for the VISCERAL. CATHARTIC. INSPIRED. DEFIANT.

We are not HEROES or ANTI-HEROES.

We carry only the FLAG, that is our own.

Now is not the time to look back to see if anyone is FOLLOWING.

Now is the time to CHARGE FORWARD into the UNKNOWN.

THE HUNTING PARTY."

- Linkin Park

Mike: Golu  · [ ChitChat ] 10:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If there are no sources that are referring to it or offering an interpretation, I don't think it is notable to be included. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 10:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If journalists talk about it, it could be worth mentioning. But just listing it in the article is about as inappropriate as listing off entire song lyrics in the article. Sergecross73   msg me  12:10, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree with Myxomatosis57 and Sergecross73, without coverage in reliable sources it is just trivial. STATic message me!   20:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well thank you for all your advices. If I get any sources about this, then I would let you know. Thank you. Mike: Golu   · [ ChitChat ] 04:30, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey I got a source. Its here: "A note from the band". Should we add this now? Mike: Golu   · [ ChitChat</b> ] 04:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, that's a user review. Anyone can write those. They're not usable as sources. And again, you don't want to just "add it", just like you wouldn't want to randomly copy/paste the lyrics to "A Line in the Sand" just because a source talked about the song... Sergecross73   msg me  16:31, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh! I didn't notice that. I will try to find another source. Thank you. Mike: Golu   · [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:green;">Confidential message</b> ] 09:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2014
Please add heavy metal as the genre of the album, it is clearly noticeable in the album as a whole. Thank you.

121.54.83.69 (talk) 15:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

❌ Please read the section Edit warring over genre of album above, for the discussion on this. - Arjayay (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2014




188.251.129.88 (talk) 00:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: portuguesecharts.com doesn't say (at least yet) that the album has peeked at #1 in the Portuguese Charts. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2014
The songs in the album are actually Heavy metal, rap metal, and thrash metal, please add this category to avoid confusing.

121.54.83.69 (talk) 02:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. And a call for consensus as well. Please read the talk page in its entirety for discussions on genres.  Sam Sailor Sing 03:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Nu metal, thrash metal
--72.251.108.163 (talk) 03:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)  HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVEN HEARD THE ALBUM?!?!?! LISTEN TO IT AND COMPARE IT TO THE GENRES OF Nu metal AND Thrash metal. LINKIN PARK EVEN SAID THAT THEY TOOK INFLUENCE FROM Thrash metal AND HARDCORE PUNK ON THIS ALBUM. EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT ONHOW IT'S THE HEAVIEST ALBUM THEY'VE EVER DONE. EVEN THE BAND IS SAYING IT. PLEASE CHANE THE ALBUM GENRE TO Nu metal, Thrash metal. tHANK YOU FOR LISTENING. --72.251.108.163 (talk) 03:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not about whether we've heard the album or not, it's whether reliable sources have. If an editor wants to remove all unreferenced genres, that would be fine, but don't just change one unreferenced genre with another unreferenced genre. And all caps is shouting. Turn your music down so you can hear yourself type over it. ;) Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, and all the current genres are sourced in the composition section. STATic message me!   03:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And I've already stated twice that some reliable sources need to be presented, not just people's personal observations on what the music sounds like. Sergecross73   msg me  16:28, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. The matter is anyone provide sources which are reliable and we would add it. Mike: Golu   · [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:green;">Confidential message</b> ] 10:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2014
There are five singles for "The Hunting Party", in the article, only 3 are mentioned, "Wastelands" and "Rebellion" are missing, please add these singles to the album's ones. Source : http://www.lpassociation.com/music/

78.238.84.76 (talk) 12:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

❌ See prior discussions. Some appear to just be promotional singles, no sources said otherwise. A fansite won't change that. Sergecross73  msg me  13:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Indian Certification
The album is certification is updated every week and now it currently holds a certifications of 4x Platinum, with the sales of 24,000 copies digital. The current certification is 3x Platinum with 18,000 sales. Next week it would be 4x Platinum. The sales of CD are not yet known, because they are not recorded. Mike: Golu  · [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:green;">Confidential message</b> ] 11:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

"Wastelands" - single addition to infobox
I noticed a recent edit that changed this to an official single infobox. Before I immediately objected, I noticed the editor had left a note saying it was in the singles section for the Linkin Park website.

http://www.linkinpark.com/releases#/type/singles http://www.linkinpark.com/releases/linkin_park/wastelands

Indeed it is.

I wonder, shall we put this one in? If we do, we should change "Rebellion" to its original date as well. If the band says it is, in my opinion*, that satisfies it being in the list, at least. ( *There are probably guidelines to this that I don't know.) DannyMusicEditor (talk) 19:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * There was a consensus last year from a past discussion not to list "Wastelands" as an official single, based on the sources brought up. However, if it's considered a single on the Linkin Park website, I have no problem with adding it. Kokoro20 (talk) 00:30, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * So how long should I wait before I add it if nobody has a problem? DannyMusicEditor (talk) 00:40, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I've just added it myself. If anyone reverts it, I could tell them to just see this discussion. Kokoro20 (talk) 01:58, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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