Talk:The IT Crowd/Archive 1

Press release
Should something be written about this to conteract the POV of the press release? Looking at this page compared to most of the other TV programs makes it sound like the best program ever (it's the worst bile I've seen in a long time but that's just my POV... )
 * I think that was put in as a placeholder before it was shown, and it hasnt been changed yet. The press release should be completely removed now. I cant really think of anything worthy to say about the plot though... -- jeffth  e  jiff  09:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The IT crowd
The show is actually called the IT crowd. --XenoN e on (converse) 20:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You are correct (though I think that it would have been better if the initials had been separated so that the continuity announcers didn't mispronounce it). Timsheridan 22:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * it cannot be moved, due to somebody moving it here from there earlier on. Put up a speedy deletion. -- 9cds(talk) 22:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it the shows name is pronounced it - as it is a play on wordsGeorgeryall 01:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion for Popular Refrences
I have a suggestion to list the popular geek references. Such as the EFF stickers, MP3 is not a crime, Flying Spaghetti monster, having Slashdot.org on a PC monitor for a second.
 * Sounds good. Why don't you add it? -- Thorpe | talk  22:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm adding a little. VJ Emsi 20:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * As the geek references are an intrinsic part of the show, I felt that listing them was a good suggestion. However, the trivia section seems to be causing Improv a degree of suspiration. Any ideas how to keep everyone happy? SDS 10:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to whoever just edited it, my own one was quite basic. VJ Emsi 13:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi VJ - that was me - relieved you're happy with me chopping up your work! I've just changed the section heading from Trivia to Cultural References, and emphasised its importance and relevance. Hopefully this satisfies the encyclopedic requirements ... SDS 22:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thankyou SDS, it looks good now :-). I'm just adding some quotes... VJ Emsi 00:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Quotes

 * Some quotes. Trouble is, they look ugly as hell. I can't get it to look tidy... can someone help? VJ Emsi 00:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's gone. Whatever... :P VJ Emsi 11:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed them, since Wikipedia isn't a list of quotes. Consider Wikiquotes. -- 9cds(talk) 14:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

If I may make so bold ...
I'm up for helping to totally rewrite this relatively iffy article IMHO.
 * Thanks for being bold! You may consider joining the British TV shows wikiproject. This page is our collaboration of the month next April! -- 9cds(talk) 22:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I will do what I can - time is not my friend at the moment, but will pitch in as much as poss Srck 13:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Listed on IMDb
Managed to get the article on IMDb. -- Thorpe | talk  21:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

DRM
Was episode 5 the only episode that didn't have DRM? I only watched 5 & 6 online. - LeonWhite 05:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1 and 2 didn't have DRM, 3 and 4 did. --CapitalLetterBeginning 11:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots
Just wondering...should there be screenshots for each episode? -therearenospoons 03:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't hurt to have screenshots of some of the other characters on the show, not just the main three. --Patito 08:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

"Worldwide downloads" of the series
Links to torrents to download the series have made digg/slashdot multiple times, do you think we should add some sort of "the show was massively (possibly illegally) downloaded by a world audience? -- Tawker 07:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * How is this different to other popular TV shows? --ozzmosis 09:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I just added one onto external links, and someone removed it. Chickenofbristol 22:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It was removed because we cannot link to illegal content. //9cds(talk) 23:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Second series commission reference
We have


 * a second series of eight episodes has been commissioned by Channel 4

Can we have a reference for this? Duckbill 21:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added one.--CapitalLetterBeginning 22:08, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Marvellous, thanks. I've moved it into an endnote. Duckbill 22:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't seem to be able to find the show list3ed in the radio times for the date givemGeorgeryall 01:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The show was filmed in front of a live audience at Teddington Studios
"The show was filmed in front of a live audience at Teddington Studios " Is that realy possibel? Big parts of the show are outside, in a disco or other places? Glücksritter 12:15, 31 March 2006 (CEST)

Graham Lineham has discussed the use of an audience. No idea how they do the external scenes with laughtrack. http://www.theitcrowd.co.uk/q-a/


 * They film the outside stuff beforehand and then play them to the audience on monitors.
 * Just like every other sitcom, in fact. - Eyeresist 23:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Darkwave bands
On the cultural references section: Darkwave might not be innaccurate to describe "Cradle of Filth," just overly general. In America, Darkwave refers only to soft, moody, Cocteau Twins inspired music; but abroad it's a catchall term for gothic rock. Symphonic Gothic Rock would have been more specific and less confusing, but given the genre controversy of Cradle of Filth, specificity is probably dangerous. Darkwave was probably as good a term as any other.
 * I thought that the fact that the Filth aren't actually darkwave was part of the joke! (see also the inaccurate track listing) - Eyeresist 23:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Aritcle nicked on http://www.e-subversive.net/soundboards/itcrowd/ (bottom)
I don't know if the website owner has a account on here. S/he didn't even brother to remove '[edit].

Fansites?
What's the point of deleting the fansite links? What's wrong with fansites? VJ Emsi 08:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The relevant guideline is External links. &mdash;Wh o uk (talk) 08:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Episode 5
In The Haunting of Bill Crouse (EP5), what is the name of the office postman who gives Jen a ride on his cart? Jen says his name, or perhaps his nickname, but I can't hear it. He should be listed in guest appearances, in any case. --Patito 08:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Small Paul - I've added him to the guest appearancesGrangousier 14:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If Judy really the office cleaner? So, did she really get a PC of her own, or was it just an elaborate ploy to get Roy into her clutches? Daen 12:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In the first appearance of Judy, you see her in an orange overall, hunched over a mop as she's mopping the floor. And when we see her at said computer, she has a broom right behind her. I think she's a cleaner. It's a big company, and modest computers aren't really that expensive, relatively speaking. She could have simply had one in order to receive messages from offices in the building about cleaning. --Patito 14:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * An, but given the rather odd nature of the company, isn't it equally likely that she's a middle-manager with severe hygiene issues and a mop fetish? Daen 10:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that could very well be the case, of course. But I've actually had some experience with cleaning in a big company, and the cleaning crew had a computer to log hours worked, and to recieve messages about changes in the work schedule, etc. Besides, she doesn't seem like management material to me, her vocabulary is dreadful. ;) --Patito 10:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

inaccuracy
This line: Moss suggests the reason for this is that people are constantly mixing the number up with the American 9-1-1, as Roy does seconds later when he tries to downplay the changes. is inaccurate because Moss makes no reference to the American 911 - it is only Roy who makes such a reference when he himself makes the mistake. All Moss says is, "Well THAT'S easy to remember! 0118999881999119725...3!" Anyone object if I correct it? Paulfp 14:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. That's the problem with huge lists of mindless trivia, they're too boring to fact-check. Chris Cunningham 15:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
According to Graham Linehan on the DVD commentary for episode 1, the pronunciations "The IT Crowd" (Eye-Tee) and "The It Crowd" ("it") are both equally valid. Indeed, he deliberately varied the way Channel 4 continuity announcers introduced the show during its initial run. Should the pronunciation guide at the start of the article be changed to reflect this. 80.93.170.99 10:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Update of 22nd November 2006
Noel Fielding (Richmond) was removed from the cast list by 87.194.76.159 on the grounds that he isn't a series regular. I'm not entirely sure I agree with that; certainly the impression I got from the DVD commentaries is that Linehan considers Richmond to be a regular. Linehan mentions that originally Richmond was going to be introduced in episode two, because he thought that introducing a regular character part way through the series would be a bit odd. He then reconsidered and decided it would keep the audience on their toes. What does everyone else think? Should Richmond be on the cast list or down as a guest character? Marwood 14:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Cultural References
Following a clean-up request on the Cultural References section, I've consolidated and reduced the section. Marwood 22:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Many thanks. Chris Cunningham 22:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Second series start date
Although imdb says it is going to start on the 5th of January, it is not in the RadioTimes guide. It is not in the guide up to the 8th of January. I will update it once it appears in the guide (2 weeks before the broadcast date). Brejc8 13:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ain't it supposed to start in February? Anyone have any news on that then? -- FND 16:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Its definitely not starting till late spring :( according to and http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds41012.html  172.201.252.120 21:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please don't use "Spring/Fall/Autumn" in encyclopaedia articles. Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere... --ozzmosis 12:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I would have thought that as this refers to a UK release date it would be clear that it is a northern hemisphere spring.Georgeryall 18:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

http://www.sroaudiences.com/ is now offering tickets to see it recoreded in feb. So definatly a second series! Georgeryall 19:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The first three dates on the site are Friday 30th March, Saturday 14th and Friday 20th April 2007 for filming the UK version. Richard Ayoade is in both versions so I wonder if the US version will be filmed before or after the UK one. Brejc8 09:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I went to yesterdays recording, this seriese is going to be a good oneGeorgeryall 21:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I changed the date of when series 2 was broadcast in Australia. It said the 16th of April 2007 - before it was screened in the UK. I know this started on the 16th April 2008, and have updated it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.147.102.212 (talk) 00:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Apologies
Apologies for accidentally replacing this page with another for a shot period on January 09th 2007. It was a mistake when I pasted the page script into the wrong tab in firefox. I put it back as soon as I realized. I hope no one was effected by this short lived problem. --Josh3276 18:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Telephone number "spelling"
The trivia section and section on "Calamity Jen" both feature the 'new' emergency services number. To my mind, there are three reasonable ways of writing this number out. The first would be to simply write it without spacing (01189998819991197253); the second would be to write it out with spacing as shown on screen (0118 999 881 999 119 725 3); the third would be to write it out with spacing that matches how it was spoken (0118 999 88199 9119 725 3). Personally, I'd be in favour of standardising on the second version - but what is the consensus? Marwood 20:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC) I favour the last one, seeing as that's how its spoken. Also, should it be 'advert' instead of commercial, because we don't say commercial in the UK. And I don't think it is a fake advert - it is 'real' in the context of the show, like the anti-piracy ad in the second series. 139.184.30.135 18:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd say the last one too, as the first is hard to read. The second might be unusual to people who haven't watched the show. And, yes, advert would be more appropriate, rather than commercial. Jessicamadq (talk) 21:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The "fire" scene
Could it be a reference to Pratchett's Going Postal? Specifically Moss' reaction and Stanley's reaction.


 * I have read the book, several times, but cant think of what stanley did during the fire, something stupid like make tea or sort pins wasnt it? Lovefist233 (talk) 13:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

From memory he did exactly what the post office guidebook told him to, which I think involved him not panicking, and waiting patiently and calmly for rescue. Somewhat similar to Moss' reaction, but I don't think it is a direct reference, more likely just a result of Moss' character traits. Daff42 (talk) 23:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Available online in almost real time
Is this worth mentioning? Nearly every TV series is, go and search on piratebay or isohunt, you will find almost every popular TV show. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrjeff (talk • contribs) 16:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC).


 * It was available legally in near real time (at least in the UK). r3m0t talk 12:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, that is very different. Possibly the wording needs changing (I'll have a look), or I just need to not read pirating in into such things. Mrjeff 17:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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Firstly
I have all six original episodes sitting on my hard drive, so if anyone needs a reference from one of them and can't get it anywhere else, leave a message on my talk page. --Audacitor 09:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I really wouldn't advertise that, as that's a great-big copyright violation you're sitting on. The Islander 11:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It is only a copyright violation if you distribute it. You can record TV programs for your own use. Sunshine   ҈  18:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Very true - I misread the above comment; thought that Audacitor was offering to distribute them. My appologies. Talk Islander 13:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Secondly
Shouldn't there be a Spoiler Template above the "Episodes" section, where it details the plots of all the episodes? I'll put one there in 24 hours if no one gets back to me. --Audacitor 09:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SPOILER, spoiler tags are not needed - you'd expect to find spoilers in a plot summary section. The Islander 11:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What about a character summary section? There are spoilers in there that I didn't expect to find. (See Denholm) 124.190.195.177 01:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Spoilers don't detract from the article, they are there to inform not to advertise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.83.231 (talk) 02:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

It, not In
I've heard the phrase 'It Crowd' before, years before the show began. Can anyone verify this? Lazyguythewerewolf. Rawr. 21:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, you know. I've heard it too - in fact I came in here to check if I was alone in this. Refers to the same sort of idea as It Girl. Anyone think we should be changing the bit Scanna 21:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not without a source. A Google News archive search only turns up a few usages pre-1999, which seem to be split into a few typos and genuine puns, and mostly just a Daily Mirror column called "The It File" that enjoyed using the phrase a lot. Really the paragraph should be tagged as original research if we don't have an actual source for why the series is called what it's called. --McGeddon 22:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The name is a pun on how the IT people usually aren't popular, whilst the it crowd is. It's been around since the 80s I believe. Plus it's said it crowd, not I-T crowd as in the ?phonetic? writing.Gumdropster 13:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrong on that last bit – as the article says, Linehan has deemed both "it" and "I.T." equally valid as pronunciations. DBD 08:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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Cultural = Trivia?
Should the Cultural References section really be tagged as trivia? Trivia is described as 'lists of miscellaneous information' by Wikipedia guidelines. The cultural references are not random facts about the programme - it's a list of elements of the set etc. which give the overall impression of an IT department staffed by 'geeks'. (That being said, it could be better organised - but I think it warrants its own section) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.13.181 (talk) 10:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Before removing the tag, you should have discussed it here first. It might not quite be trivia, but it certainly reads like a trivia section. Most the information is not really notable - it's bordering on fancruft. It needs a huge clean-up, and this seemed to me like the most suitable tag for the job. The Islander 19:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If the set gives a good overall impression of IT department realism (and it does seem like this is something that they've put some work into), we should write about that, with only as many examples as are needed to illustrate it, and ideally some sources that confirm that it's approved of as genuinely realistic. We shouldn't just give a sprawling, unordered list of thirty examples and leave readers to try to interpret what they mean and how accurate they are. --McGeddon 22:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to point out - I wrote the above comment as a query, to find out other people's opinions. I did not remove the tag, nor would I have done without first discussing it on here. I agree with McGeddon that the list shouldn't stay in its current form - it should be rewritten, though, while retaining its own section. The trivia tag implies that the information does not warrant its own section, which is what I was disagreeing about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.13.181 (talk) 23:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * (Although, oddly, according to the page history the tag was removed before I saw it and wrote that comment - how strange) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.13.181 (talk) 23:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * In which case I appologise for the edit comment - I just assumed it was you. I still feel the section needs rewriting, though, and most of the current examples removed (but not all) The Islander 14:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Where the 'cultural references' refer to specific episodes could they be moved into the relevant section for that particular episode. That way the cultural references section is kept fairly tidy with 'reoccurring' references rather than 'one-offs'. Brollachan 07:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've started to tidy up the section, merging a few bits of the trivia into existing points. Brollachan 07:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

The page mentions: 'Hokusai's painting The Great Wave off Kanagawa on the background', but i think this is actually a poster by Kozyndan - 'Uprisings' http://www.kozyndan.com/new_portfolio/GR28.html, a parody of the origional, where the ocean is a sea of bunnies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.82.91 (talk) 08:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I have trimmed the list down quite a bit, keeping things confined as much as possible to technology/geek references rather than wider references to film, tv, etc. If anyone very strongly feels some of the material I have removed should be reinstated - pull it out of the history and plug it back in. However, I think there are already sufficient examples there now to demonstrate the way geek culture is used in the programme. Marwood 12:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Season 2, episodes 3 and 4
If these episodes are not out yet, what is the basis for the description of them, and why is there no reference to the source? Sunshine  ҈  18:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Press snippits and Graham's video intros on the website often give information which can be used in the section. On this note, they've cocked up and uploaded the bit for Episode 5 as well, "Smoke and Mirrors" which looks as Moss's inventing skill, which hasn't been covered much in the past (e.g. Stress Machine) ps: yes i reedited because i cocked up and forgot to sign 84.92.14.5 14:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Sunshine  ҈  00:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Pronounciation and TVIV
I'm trying to harmonize pronounciation on tviv's IT Crowd Article with wikipedia's, The IT Crowd. Pretty sure wikipedia has it right on this point, but the dispute over there has ground to a halt. If anyone's into cross-wiki work, another set of eyeballs on that dispute might be helpful. Sorry if this is outside the scope of the discussion page, I won't ask again. --Thomas B 14:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is straying away from the article, anyhow the article states "(IPA: pronounced [ɪt] or [aɪ tiː])". The commentary on the DVD also verifies that is can be pronounced either as 'it' or 'I.T.'. Brollachan 13:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Cultural references additions
Despite best efforts, several additions have been made to the Cultural References section since it was trimmed. These changes have been removed for the time being - but I'm going to put them up here so we can discuss if they should be added to the list. Marwood 07:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Other O'Reilly Posters including the Perl Camel.
 * Boardgames Ticket to Ride and War on Terror.
 * Indie band Guided by Voices


 * Is it worth adding the "type Google into Google" reference from the latest episode. It demonstrates a "non-geek" or uncomputer literate person being gullible towards the internet?Jamie jca 16:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Individual jokes should go into the show's Wikiquote page, not the Wikipedia article. --McGeddon 16:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you think its worthwhile adding that during Episode 4 of Series 2, Roy holds up a copy of Assassin's Creed? It's when he's leaving Paula's house towards the end. --Fullforce 18:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. What does it bring to the article? Marwood 09:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, its possibly an in-joke, as the game was (and still is) currently unreleased. --Fullforce 14:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Possibly? Doesn't sound very encyclopaedic to me! :-) But irrespective of that, what does it do to expand the reader's understanding of the way geek culture is referenced in the show? That is the purpose of list and the items already on there do that more than adequately. Marwood 08:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm a little surprised that the "Hello, computer?" reference from S01E01 isn't on the list. It's a Star Trek reference, am I right?  Seems to me like that's a pretty significant "geek culture" thing, and I'd have thought it would deserve a place on this list.  I haven't added it, but I do think it should be on there.  Jay (talk) 01:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I just thought I should point out that given the context of the show as being about "geek culture", I think the "v for vendetta mask" cited in this section is more likely an Anonymous (group) mask. For starters, it is technically a guy fawkes mask, which is used by the character v, but in the internet culture it is popularised as a common symbol of the organised collective, quasi - protest group, Anonymous. I just thought that this is most likely what the show is referencing, not V for vendetta. Anyone else have thoughts on the subject? Tracorn (talk) 00:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I just removed the list entirely as it was unencyclopedic and was beginning to dominate the article. If anyone feels strongly that a list is essential, here would be the place to discuss it. --John (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think removing the list entirely instead of just trimming it buzz-cutting it was perhaps a bit heavy-handed. However, in essence I agree with why you did it... Talk Islander 20:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Guest appearances
It worries me that this section is a list of everyone except the main cast, and a summary of their character. Its already a long section, and with further episodes its only going to get longer, but I don't see the point of having a piece on every bit character in there. I feel it should be trimmed down to the notable characters. Alboreto 04:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Cutting out the non-notable redlinked actors, at the very least. --McGeddon 08:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Making the article more concise
I've been attempting to do this, by rewording certain sections and removing unnecessary or non-referenced material. I think we need to cut a lot of the page down. The character descriptions for example, are becoming summaries of entire plot points and its just not necessary. They should have a couple of lines about who they are, everything else goes either in the episode summaries (which again, I think are too long on some cases) or lost entirely. If anyone feels like a character needs to have a lot said about them, then that character should have its own new page. -- Alboreto 04:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Third series confirmation?
On http://management.silicon.com/itdirector/0,39024673,39168797,00.htm there is an interview with Graham Linehan and he answers "yes" to the question if there will be a third series of the show. Would you count that as an official confirmation? Could someone please add that link to the article? I'm sorry but I don't know how to do that by myself. --85.231.127.181 21:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice find! Have added it to the lead paragraph. The Islander 22:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--85.231.127.181 22:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The question is: why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.213.118 (talk) 15:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's an interview with the writer / director, sufficient credibility for the (short) statement that "Linehan has confirmed that a third series will be produced". When season 3 episodes actually appear in airing schedules, other mentions as well as the "List of The IT Crowd episodes" article can be updated. -- MiG (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

http://www.sroaudiences.com/ are now advertising tickets to see the third seriese - I'd say that's fairly good indication that they're going to make it. (The company also did tickets for the second seriese, and i used them - so they're legit). Georgeryall (talk) 16:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The company who actually provides an audience for the IT Crowd is legit... lol, bet they'd love to hear that... Talk Islander 17:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Awards
Both awards mentioned in the article are just nominations, not won awards. MoochCH (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * BAFTA: See http://www.bafta.org/awards/television/latest-winners-and-nominees,91,BA.html
 * Rose d'Or: See Wikipedia article (I couldn't find an official list of nominees... but anyway, it's not listed as a winner)

I checked the References and you are correct, so i have removed the section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.90.142 (talk) 23:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Wrong start date for season 3
I removed the start date for season 3 from the intro. AFAIK the show did not air on 30th September, and it is also removed from the IFC listing. Thomas Nygreen (talk) 20:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The show is still on the listing, but the link returns a different page now than it did in September, because it uses a month offset, not a month number. Although according to they are airing the previous seasons first. Thomas Nygreen (talk) 21:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that mydigiguide.com is listing Series 3, episode one ("From Hell") as starting on Channel 4 on Friday 21st November at 10pm. I can't get a working link out of that site though (I can just see it through a search done while logged in to my account there) and I'm not sure it's exactly authoritative enough to add to the article when I can only find the one source. Anyone got any other sources they can check? gothick (talk) 21:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Season 2 Australia release date
yeah so though the 2nd season premiered in august 2007 for some random reason we didn't get it in australia until May 2008 (I can't remember when), but I think that the first season premiered in australia in around august 2006 or something, I just can't remember. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.44.204 (talk) 08:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Subtitles
Would it be worthwhile adding a section about the l33t subtitles from the DVD version? Series 1 has a different "joke" in the l33t subtitles every episode (such as the words being rearanged into alphabetical order, or written in ROT13), while series 2 shows the code to a program of some sort (havn't tried it)82.3.87.13 (talk) 05:40, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Roy's surname
The word "Tenneman" after Roy's name has been removed and replaced a couple of times now.

The argument for including it is based on this post on Graham Linehan's blog. However, Linehan goes on to say in a comment on a different post that he's not completely happy with it, and that he therefore doesn't consider it to be "official". So, unless/until it appears in the series, or there's some other confirmation of the canonicity of his surname, I don't think it should be in the article. 86.154.72.247 (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that it shouldn't be on the page until it appears in the series. It was actually re-added last week and if there's no other objections I think we should remove it again with a reason to see the talk page. ZX81  talk  13:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Roy's surname finally appeared in episode 3 of fourth season, he was reffered to as Mr Trenneman in court by lawyer. Garuspl (talk) 09:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The competition
Can we get a place on teh article for the hidden competition that is explained on the Season 3 DVD under "cracking the I.T Crowd" --Casket56 (talk) 11:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

4th season
The season/episodes count was recently updated to 4/24 and I've just changed it back to 3/18. I don't know how everyone else feels about it, but although a 4th season has been commissioned as far as I know it hasn't started filming yet. Although I personally think it shouldn't be updated until the 4th season starts its run, I think we should at leats wait until the episodes actually even exist? ZX81  talk  05:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

4th season...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_The_IT_Crowd_episodes original air date should be edited to reflect: ''Wednesday 16 June 2010

The first episode of the IT Crowd series 4 is available to watch online a whole week before it goes on TV!''

source: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-it-crowd/articles/online-premiere

or there should be some info added to indicate the 'online preaired' first episode of season 4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.46.6 (talk) 19:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Huh?
"The American DVD is the same as the UK release, with the exception of the American release missing, although oddly, the reviews for the BCI version included these missing features."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.231.16.166 (talk) 02:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "American release" ? Do you mean the pilot for the American version? That's not actually on the UK DVDs either (or at least if it is on mine I've totally missed it!) ZX81  talk  11:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Future
Just wanted to share the reply I got from Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries:

"There are no plans for a Christmas Special to be shown this year but they are currently making a new series. This series has not yet been scheduled for broadcast; however, we would advise you keep an eye on our TV listings for any updates. They can be found at the following website:

www.channel4.com/listings" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.10.218 (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

References and cleanup
The way the references are set up here is bad, bloated and not user friendly. When editing a page and the references are not inline this is quite confusing, you have to go look for them, when the line gets deleted or altered and references change the references stay even when they are not needed anymore causing errors. Normally the references are inline with the text so that if you add them by editing a section you can put them right there unlike here where you have to make either a second edit to add them in the list or edit the entire page at once. I tried to fix this, among various other things, but got reverted completely because of this.  X  eworlebi (t•c) 18:57, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * LDR stands for List defined references. It is a referencing system adopted in 2009 as a legitimate method that has wide support because it brings many benefits. You can get error messages in either system if removing the main cite without removing <> tags, so it's not really relevant. What is relevant is the tendency for this page to collect unreliable and duplicate references, and to contain info reffed to the same thing across multiple sections, all of which LDR helps to avoid or make clearer. It is not really confusing once you know how it works - there is no primary reference, all inline refs use simple, and the full references are included under the References section. That's it. MickMacNee (talk) 19:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I found that the moment I pressed "Save page", I'm not sure how it fixes anything, you can still add duplicate references, unreliable references can still be added, and are more likely to be added in a second edit which then the first goes less noticed, info can be referenced among different sections just as easily with the standard format. Do you have a link to the original discussion to put this in place (site wide)? I would like to see it. It's just so disconnected to the content it tries to back up.  X  eworlebi (t•c) 19:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have the discussions bookmarked, you'll have to hunt for yourself. But the failures you describe are either much harder to do with LDR, or are no harder to do without it, imho. MickMacNee (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Trivia - Title sequence crash screen
I think it would be nice to say something about the crash screen in the title sequence.

It is not a Windows Blue Screen of Death as people might imagine but in fact taken from a machine running Linux. Specific information is widely available. AndrewBetts (talk) 00:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

V for Vendetta mask
"Many items on the set reflect Linehan's own personal taste. There are numerous examples of this, but most noticeable are the V for Vendetta (Guy Fawkes) mask, " It should be mentioned that this is much more likely connected with The internet group of anonymous to fit the IT theme rather than the film V for Vendetta. Lineham has praised anonymous for their anti-scientologist movements in interviews.--188.221.207.214 (talk) 14:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Claiming that something is "most noticeable" is POV anyway. I noticed the hell out of the Fantagraphics swag in the first series, but that didn't make it "the most noticeable."75.64.212.13 (talk) 18:45, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Mistake ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_canceled_before_airing_an_episode mentions it-crowd. -- 87.162.77.138 (talk) 21:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that's the American version of The IT Crowd. It's explained on that page.  X  eworlebi (talk) 21:28, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Season 5
I'm not too familiar with wiki editing, but there's news of a 5th season! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/26/it_crowd_fifth_series/ Hope somebody can add it in the correct way (maybe if it's confirmed somewhere else).... 83.163.240.90 (talk) 14:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been a long time now, anyone know if Season 5 is still in the works? I guess Ayoade took some time off to make Submarine (2010 film). LukeSurlt c 13:22, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

No Season 5: Graham Lineham AMA - reddit, but there will be a longer special episode Giggsey (talk) 18:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Reception
Ratings and awards isn't the best if you want to judge how good the show is. Some reviews by critics would be welcome, as there are so many award ceremonies, few shows haven't won any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.14.32 (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

OMFG = Leetspeak ?
In #Cultural References is said: "Roy regularly wears shirts that feature Leet speak, such as the acronyms OMFG and RTFM." I'd call "such acronymns" by

Isn't leetspeak the practice of substituting similar looking numbers or signs for the actual letters? Like leet -> 1337 or Haxxor -> H4xx0r or Suckface -> 5 |_|( |< |= 4 ( 3

2.174.37.251 (talk) 05:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC) Robotniks_Mom at 09:46 UTC+2 29.4.2012


 * Yes it is. OMG and RTFM were around long before most leetspeakers were even born. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And now it's fixed. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:29, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * RTM ;| --Ben Ben (talk) 09:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Twitter spoof
Is it relevant, and for which section, to mention the famous Osama Bin Laden Twitter spoof, begun by Graham Linehan? Briefly, Linehan tweeted that he had heard that Bin Laden was watching The IT Crowd when the US Marines burst in and shot him. Very soon the story had built up on social media into something "officially confirmed", and it appeared as fact on the news. (The full story has been reported by the BBC (Bin Laden and The IT Crowd: Anatomy of a Twitter hoax) and others. It is a fine experiment into the madness of crowds. Howard Alexander (talk) 15:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "IT"
IT - abbreviation of information technology - is not pronounced the same as the pronoun "it", it is pronounced as two separate letters. my phonetics aren't great but I believe the first pronunciation offered is for the pronoun, and i don't believe it belongs in this article 86.0.64.50 (talk) 20:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, for this program both "The It Crowd" and "The I.T. Crowd" are acceptable and used. After all, the title is a deliberate play on the term "the it crowd". Talk Islander 21:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * but then if you call it the "it crowd" you lose the pun...ah well it's not that important anyway! 86.0.64.50 (talk) 12:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The pun doesn't really work at all when spoken - only when written. Talk Islander 12:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's right, it is a written pun which is similar to the joke, "There are only 10 people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't."  --Brindy666 (talk) 11:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I recently saw an interview with Graham Linehan on Charlie Brooker's "Screenwipe", and he pronounced it as "I.T. Crowd". Oenone575 (talk) 13:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Nobody doubts that, but if you listen to the series 1 DVD commentary you'll hear him say that it can be pronounced both ways. Also I think when the first series was on TV it was advertised as "it" crowd, I'm not 100% sure though. Six words (talk) 15:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely pronounced the "it" crowd in TV advertisements, to my chagrin :/ - 67.221.67.6 (talk) 15:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sometimes I wonder if a conventional term can be redefined by the declaration of an artist who uses it. "IT" used in this context is almost always pronounced as an initialism, with the letters individually pronounced. That's the convention of language which shouldn't be subject to the redefinition of this kind by someone just because he directed the show. If he wished that it be referred to as "The It Crowd", shouldn't he simply have used the word "it"? Plus, if you just go ahead and call it "The It Crowd", the name is reduced to a wry or ironic statement as then it's no longer a play on words, like calling "the losers" "the cool kids". It only makes sense as a double-entendre and conforms to language if called "The IT" ("Eye Tee") "Show". The name is only funny if it purports to be about the humorous exploits of workers in the IT department, not if they're merely unpopular people ironically referred to as popular (" it", as in " it girl"). Ultimately, capitalized terms like "IT" are almost never pronounced as a word, otherwise, why capitalize them?98.230.199.85 (talk) 06:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The title definition marginally misuses the term "abbreviation" by Wikipedia's own definition. "IT" in common usage is in fact an initialism, a word constructed of the initials of other words where the letters are separately pronounced. Wikipedia itself is contradictory on this point, at one time cautioning users to not confuse "abbreviation" for "initialism", but then goes on to imply that an initialism is in fact a type of abbreviation. It's difficult to say whether it's correct to call it an abbreviation or not, but it may not be.98.230.199.85 (talk) 06:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

BBC News
In the article it cites a review by BBC News:

"The premiere of the show on Channel 4 was watched by 1.8m viewers, described as "disappointing" by BBC News"

There is no citation shown. I don't find it very believable that the BBC News would mention a comedy programme that is from a different channel just to say it is not very good. More information needs to be shown to prove this was really the case, otherwise the text should be changed.79.154.94.151 (talk) 13:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read the whole sentence, which ends with an appropriate citation. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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re: Season 5 on Netflix
There is no season 5. Netflix calls it that, but it's just the one-off episode from 2013. Jtjones66 (talk) 12:36, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. Mezigue (talk) 12:39, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Mention of "The Speech" under Controversial Episodes or Trivia?
Should there be a trivia section or a note somewhere about the controversial episode "The Speech" that many viewed as transphobic, criticism of which ultimately led to the creator becoming notorious on Twitter as a self-proclaimed "activist" for over 12 years? Whatever your opinion is on this, it seems odd the main article doesn't mention such a famously controversial episode?
 * Updated added section with some citations. - FlyboyExeter (talk) 15:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * That section needs to be scrubbed for weight and also POV. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * , I've looked through the paragraph and the sources, which point mainly to news articles in 2018-2020 criticizing Linehan and his being banned from Twitter. I haven't seen where the show was retroactively modified or censored as with the General Lee (car) controversy over the Confederate flag in The Dukes of Hazzard. I've removed the paragraph, but this information can be added to Linehan's Wikipedia article.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

- ::, Not only does first article specifically point to that episode, it also features Linehan himself discussing it. Don't remove the whole section. If necessary, add a citation needed or take it to the Talk page. Thank you! FlyboyExeter (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

- :, But I agreed with you about where in the article it should be, and moved it out of the Production section, as you indicated it should be moved, and created a new section TRIVIA, with subheading "Controversial Episode". Add further citations or citations needed and take further discussion here to Talk page. Do not remove this entire section. Thank you. FlyboyExeter (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

- : ,Why did you call this the "2019 Twitter Controversy"? It's 2020. I think it should just be noted as a controversial episode, as the controversy extends back to 2008. Linehan himself even discusses this in one of the cited articles. I left out the TRIVIA heading, and changed it to just Controversial Episode for now. But perhaps "Trivia" would be better. Feel free to reword the section as bit if you feel it's biased. It's not meant to be biased, as I included an article with Linehan himself but if you want to reword it and add further citations, go for it. Either way, I think it should be mentioned as Linehan is all over the news right now, trending on Twitter, and this all started back in 2008 with this episode, which has become rather controversial.


 * , there shouldn't be "Trivia" sections per the MOS. I've reinstated the paragraph since yes the original source refers to the episode. I would like to find more news sources that are closer to the airdate that criticize the show. Otherwise it's a much later criticism, which is why I put the 2019 date in, as with the General Lee.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * , please leave the tone tag there until a third party editor can check it over for tone. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

- : That's fine. It is understood Linehan became an activist (self-described) on gender issues after 2008, increasingly so beyond this, with the focus being over the last several years. There's dozens of articles about him in the news. I think most of the 2008 controversy happened on Twitter, but you should find articles over the last 5 - 10 years at least, if not right back to then. I think the news media didn't pick it up as much as social media did then. I left your wording mostly intact, just reworded it a bit and put back the police warning bit, which is noteworthy. Also it might be worth mentioning, Twitter has said Linehan has been banned for "hate speech" and was suspended several times before this, though I haven't mentioned that. FlyboyExeter (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I trimmed more of the section so that it focuses on the episode reaction. I agree with that most of it should be on Linehan's article, which has a sizable section on the controversy, so I removed the what happened to Linehan on Twitter sections for 2019-20. Please do not editorialize your or the common interpretations and grievances of the episode with references to the YouTube video. Rather, please present sourced reviews from news and magazine sources showing how critics reacted to the episode and stories on what was done in response by viewers in general, the television network, or the show producers. Did they create a new episode in response or issue some apology? Did they ban the episode or put in some kind of disclaimer?
 * I am also requesting WP:GOCE Guild of Copy Editors to take a look and see if they can neutralize the section, and ask that you respect their edits. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I brought up my concerns about sourcing at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. I would ask FlyboyExeter to [A] respect the conclusion of that discussion, and [B] stop engaging in personal attacks in his edit summaries.


 * In addition, linking directly to a YouTube clip from The IT Crowd as a source in an article violates Wikipedia's policies against linking to copyright infringement. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)