Talk:The International (esports)

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Citation required
"the highest-rated DotA team in the world, DK," needs a reference. GosuGamers doesn't rate them the highest team, so not sure where this 'fact' is coming from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.164.139.74 (talk) 08:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability
Can some one fix the citations to this article to include the author and who published them? This would make it a lot easier when it came to trying to determine the useful of the sources and go towards establishing WP:NOTE. --LauraHale (talk) 22:54, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this might be a merge candidates. Seems it more notable for DOTA2 then on it's own. Ridernyc (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Note This is modeled after those football competitions articles like 2010 FIFA World Cup. Thanks Redefining history (talk) 05:02, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Compare the notability... HandsomeFella (talk) 09:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Does it have something to do with the... model? -.- Redefining history (talk) 05:14, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move (2013)

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The result of the move request was: page moved to The International (video gaming); clearer disambiguation.  Mini  apolis  14:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The International (Dota 2 competition) → The International (tournament) –- "Tournament" is a far more fitting title than "Dota 2 competition"; the latter detail is already included in the text of this article, removing the necessity of having it in the name, which makes this seem more like a news article than an encyclopedic page. Also, "The International" is already easily-recognizable with Dota 2, leaving the nature of the name an inherent given. D arth B otto talk•cont 20:43, 09 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed; besides, there's only one The International tournament. Epicgenius (talk to me • see my contributions) 12:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, The International (golf) was a tournament as well. Jafeluv (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * How about The International (progaming), The International (eSports), The International (video gaming), The International (gaming)? (tournament) seems a bit too vague to disambiguate well. :) · Salvidrim!  ·  &#9993;  06:45, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The International (video gaming) sounds good. It doesn't get confused with the golf tournament, and "video gaming" arguably gives most readers a better sense of the context than the name of the game. The relevant guideline actually recommends "video gaming". Jafeluv (talk) 12:36, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
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For anyone who wants to improve the article
You may want to base it off the article on DreamHack, which is listed as a good article and has multiple similarities to The International. -Nicereddy (talk) 01:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

The Russian article on The International may be a good basis for the tournament bracket
See The International 2011 section on the Russian Wikipedia. If you're using Chrome it'll translate it for you. The wikicode is mostly useless since it's in Russian, but there are similar tournament bracket templates on the English Wikipedia as well, see Category:Tournament bracket templates.
 * Is it not too much detail to have the full bracket results? Not familiar with tournament articles I must say. Samwalton9 (talk) 22:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There's not too much of a basis to work off of since there aren't any good eSports tournament articles that I know of. I'd base it off something like the NFL or NHL season articles, albeit in this case with multiple brackets on one page. I think there's enough text describing each International to not make it appear cluttered. You probably only need the Semifinals/finals for this, cover the rest in prose if you feel the need to include it.


 * I'd see if you can make the bracket template and "Winnings" table span across the same row to conserve space, e.g. right-align the Winnings table. --Nicereddy (talk) 02:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Secret shop section
This almost definitely doesn't warrant an entire article, but should it be mentioned in the TI3 section instead? I can only really find one article which talks about it. Sam Walton (talk) 12:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * There's way too much information on the Secret Shop- it reads like an advertisement. I'd take pointers from the Merchandise section of the Dota 2 article. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 05:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitations? Sponsorships?
As a casual reader of this article: 1. I don't understand how the invited teams get invited (eg. are they internally monitored/observed by Valve?) 2. I don't understand the value people are getting from "buying in", ie. that +$20M of the prize pool is contributed by fans is a pretty huge thing (compare it to a Kickstarter, for example). But the model behind it isn't clear - what are they buying, what does "interactivity" mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.37.121 (talk) 00:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * 1)  For the first seven TIs, Valve basically invited a small number of teams who they thought were top tier, in addition to holding qualifiers to fill out out the rest. There was no real rhyme or reason to Valve's invites, and it was criticized for not being obvious as to why a certain team received an invite. For the upcoming TI (TI8) however, Valve introduced the Dota Pro Circuit, with the top eight teams at the end of the season (ends tomorrow, actually) with the most points securing their invites, which can be seen on a visible leaderboard.


 * 1) The TI prize pool is solely funded by an in-game feature known as the Battle Pass (also known as the Compendium in past TIs). Battle Passes "level up" by doing certain in-game milestones and achievements, and offer special rewards by leveling up, such as keys for loot boxes (called Treasures in Dota 2) and special gamemodes (like the Battle Royale mode. 25% of all Battle Pass purchases (costs 9.99 USD to own, but you can buy levels too) goes directly into the prizepool, with the other 75% going to Valve. So yes, the 20+ million dollar prize pools of TI6 and TI7 were actually 80+ million made from the Battle Pass those year.


 * I'll try and modernize the article with this information before TI8, as a lot of it is out of date or badly written. If any of this needs further clarification, I'll explain with more detail. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits
your history sections are an improvement (following a cleanup), but the lead is not in my opinion. We're supposed to keep facts in the lead generalized in order to get the reader interested in reading the full article (or at least a section). Also, the history section is missing TI5 and TI6 info. Just because they have standalone articles doesn't mean we should omit them entirely here. A simple paragraph for them is plenty. If you don't get around to them later, I will. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it looks way better and organize now. Basically, the history section tell about changes of every TI to current state. We don't have to include every TI if there's none changes unless it's significant. Not really good for writing decent English Wikipedia style for now, hopefully other expert could help and fill the void. To be simplified, a few points for history section that I could think for now is:


 * TI1 - Direct invite
 * TI3 - Crowdfunding
 * TI4 - Expansion from 16 to 18 teams
 * TI5 - DDOS attack
 * TI7 - OpenAI Five play Dota 2
 * TI8 - Point system
 * TI9 - First defending champion
 * Most TI - Cosplay competition, short film contest
 * In terms of each having their own specific section? I'm against this because it reads more like newspaper headlines and would just continue to bloat every year. Instead they should be grouped by era/common theme, such early years, crowdfunding, expansion to 18 teams, internationally hosted following the Seattle games, etc. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, at first you said "missing TI5 and TI6 info". Now you said bloat every year. Which one, foundation of TI or every TI? So the most important part history would be:


 * Invitational
 * Crowdfunding
 * Expansion to 18 teams
 * Point system - Direct invite & region qualification
 * Misc event - Cosplay competition, short film contest, open AI, all-star match
 * Being said, the overall history need to be overhaul & re-written. Manusiafaiz (talk) 22:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I said they should be grouped by era and common theme. Also TI4 onwards already have articles where their history can go, but TI1-3 don't and instead redirect here, so you just removing all of their content should not be done. ~ Dissident93 (talk</b>) 16:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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The International (Dota 2) → The International (esports) – Per WP:NCDAB, we should avoid proper nouns in parenthetical disambiguation. Currently, esports competitions use either "(esports)" (e.g. League Championship Series (esports)) or "(tournament)" (e.g. The Big House (tournament)). Seeing as "(tournament)" is not acceptable here as seen in the past move discussion, "(esports)" seems like the most natural disambiguator. – Pbrks ( t·c ) 14:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC) <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.