Talk:The Jurist (Arcimboldo)

Requested move 19 February 2019

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The result of the move request was:  Not Moved. (non-admin closure). X ain36 ( talk ) 17:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

The Jurist (painting) → The Lawyer (painting) – The title "Il Avvocato" means "The Lawyer", in the sense of "legal practitioner"(cp. "advocate"). If he had wanted to say "jurist" ("legal scholar"), he could have said "giurista". The lead should then give "The Jurist" as an AKA and the image title will have to change. Wikiain (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose per given rationale. We do not name articles based on the translation skills of Wikipedians - we go by what they are most often called in reliable English-language sources. Proposer's rationale doesn't provide any sources to contradict the ones already in use in the article. -- Netoholic @  03:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Netoholic: As to "reliable English-language sources", both citations give "The Jurist".  However, I have doubts about their reliability.  I don't have access to Stephen Farthing's book apart from pages available in Amazon (I find "The Jurist" in its title index). He himself is well qualified, but this appears to be a coffee-table book and one reviewer doubts the expertise of some of its contributors. The Art Wolf is an online magazine devoted mainly to news of art-world events.  That doesn't mean it has poor scholarship, but its contributions might not always come from experts.
 * The article doesn't say where it gets aka "The Lawyer" from (nor the suggestions about Zasius and Calvin). My source for the meanings of avvocato and giurista is very reliable:  Collins Italian Dictionary 3rd edn 2013.  Let's see what others think.  Hopefully, someone can provide better sources (fr:WP has one but I don't have access to it) and of course I'd be happy to go with those. Wikiain (talk) 04:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It doesn't even matter what a dictionary says the word translation is -- ALL that matters is what reliable English sources call the painting itself. Its even quite possible the most common name is "Il Avvocato", but that is not evidenced in the sources used here. -- Netoholic @ 04:28, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose per unless it can be demonstrated that "The Lawyer" is the common name. PC78 (talk) 16:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


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