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Bias
This article is hugely biased and does not mention ANY of the good things the Kennel Club does for dogs. I appreciate that there is a need for a "criticism" section, but within the scope of the Wikipedia project the entry overall needs to be fair. The issues raised in the 2008 documentary can be discussed over on it's page. --Katheryn witha Y (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Naming
We've got two articles at the moment, here and at Kennel Club (UK). There are quite a lot of clubs calling themselves "the Kennel Club" worldwide, so my first thought is to have the article at "Kennel Club (UK)" - especially as the Kennel Club don't capitalise "the", and so our usual convention is not to use the word in the title - which would then need disambiguating. The offical site uses the (UK) form in the site url and so on to differentiate, so that's another point for that form. That said, other clubs seem to refer to the UK club just as "the Kennel Club", and that's certainly the usual form here in the UK. What do others think? -- sannse (talk) 11:42, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that Kennel Club (UK) is the better choice. Elf | Talk 17:09, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I started that; I did put a note in when I placed this stub here. I was trying to find out whether or not 'The' is actually part of the Club's name.  It's ambiguous; 'the' is in the url and the logo; elsewhere the 't' is in lower case.
 * My feeling is that even if it's proprietary, if 'the' is part of the name then this is where the article should be. If the English have scooped the name, the rest of us will just have to bear up as best we can.  I suppose one could also make a case for usage, as I don't know anyone who refers to any other clubs as just 'The Kennel Club' and certainly never in formal use, and as Sannse says, other clubs do refer to the UK club as The Kennel Club.
 * Quill 22:10, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Here's more info: I went prowling all around their web site and can't find a statement of incorporation or anything similar to it, but in their annual report (and other places) "the" is always lowercase except when at the beginning of a sentence, and in the rare sentences where "the" as a simple article isn't appropriate, "the" goes away entirely (e.g., "fewer Kennel Club registrations", "roles on Kennel Club committees"). And in several places on their site, they abbreviate to KC (not TKC). We'd have to see some official document, though--bylaws or whatever--  I know, because I have to deal with this with my dog agility club, The Bay Team, which *is* its full incorporated name ("The name of this Corporation is THE BAY TEAM, INC."), but we so often use the name without the "the" or a lowercase "the"...  as in "all Bay Team members" or "visit the Bay Team web site" and www.bayteam.org.


 * But here's a practical reason for leaving Kennel Club (UK) as the primary entry--we have hundreds (well, almost 2xx) breed tables that use that form as the link to the club! Who wants to go through and edit all those? Seems I spend my whole life these days working slowly thru all the dog articles making some sort of global change, then when I get to the end, I or someone thinks of something else--   (I know, I know, that's not a REALLY good reason to choose one main form over the other.)  Elf | Talk 10:31, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Bah, silly me for creating half an article before checking the talk page first!
 * Hmm, Personally, i would keep it as "The Kennel Club" it is after all the name it has used for 132 years! I dont see how any of the breed tables would need to be changed if this name were chosen, all the "(uk)" is there for would be to differentiate it over the other countries kennel clubs, is it not? Tekana | Talk 19:11, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see a consensus here, and we do need a decision...sometime...eventually.... I'm back to thinking maybe it should be at Kennel Club (UK).  Quill 22:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Someone want to try contacting KC and finding out whether their incorporated name is Kennel CLub or The Kennel Club (per my The Bay Team reference above)? I'd go with whichever is official; if it's really merely Kennel Club then I think we really need "(UK)" at the end to distinguish it from any generic kennel club. Elf | Talk 00:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've taken a stab at it. I'll let you know what they reply. Quill 04:46, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Quill says he received this not-quite-answering-the-question reply:


 * We are known as the Kennel Club


 * Regards
 * Gary Johnson
 * Information Services Manager
 * Health & Information Department
 * Email : gjohnson@the-kennel-club.org.uk

But I think that the domain name & the way that everyone calls them is probably sufficient justification to leave the main article here. Elf | Talk 16:55, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Heh, that had me laughing, has Gary Johnson ever heard of quote lines? Besides, to look at the KC emblem (or whatever you want to call it, im not very bright today... or any day for that matter) it clearly states "The Kennel Club"! Tekana (O.o) Talk 17:12, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Latest edits
Nice to see a little expansion in this article. I think the original text was pretty clear so I merged it with new text. Don't need to repeat "hound/Hound group" etc for external links; also details about Crufts shd be in Crufts article, since this article isn't about crufts, so I moved them. Elf | Talk 00:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Vulnerable Native Breeds
In appropriate sections, user The Wizard of Magicland  has suggested the KC's VNB register as a topic which I think would be better under this article. eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bloodhound#Vulnerable_Native_Breed

Thoughts anyone? Sanft 14:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

History
There's a lack of a history section in this article. However I only found one source on google - and it's not secondary. If anyone else wants to take a look, go for it. I'll gladly write and add in the section if someone has some sources on the club's history. -- T K K  bark !  00:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've cobbled a very short piece together, obviously there is loads more but I'm pushed for time. I wonder if the 'Criticism' section should be pared back a bit? It reads more as a sub page to PDE rather than an article about the KC?  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  13:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right. I think it might be important to mention since it did cause such a big controversy around the club but as it stands the section looks like it could be its own page. Maybe pare it down a bit and change the heading from 'Criticism' to 'Pedigree Dogs Exposed' as that's the name of the show; or a mention at the end of the history section as 'Some practices of the Kennel Club were examined in the BBC investigative program Pedigree Dogs Exposed.' -- T K K  bark !  15:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd think trim it pretty drastically as most is covered in PDE article, leave just the basics as you suggest under the heading of Pedigree Dogs Exposed down near the bottom of the article? There is a lot of stuff the KC do that isn't really (as yet) touched on in the article.
 * By the way, you may manage to find some bits and pieces for reference by using the search facility on the dogworld.co.uk site - it's usually pretty good at covering news items. There is a bit about Steve Dean being appointed as the 14th Chairman of the KC that I found on it earlier. I'm using my iPad at the moment and it's too much of a palaver to find the relevant link just now!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  15:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

What's the one breed without new standards?
It says that The Kennel Club recognizes 210 dog breeds and that there are new standards set for 209 of these breeds. I can't be the only person wondering what the one breed who didn't get new standards was. Can anybody find it? ö  Brambleberry   of   RiverClan  15:38, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * As of 2013, the KC now recognise 211 breeds (the Kangal Dog was added, see here ). I think perhaps quoting 209 was a mistake either in the article or possibly in the ref used - I can't access the ref given as it looks as if it is subscription only. The KC itself says 210 breed standards were revised in January 2009 here .  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  15:53, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I eventually managed to access a copy of the Times article - it does quote 209 breeds, which I would hazard is a typo/mistake (given the KC articles linked to in my response above). In an attempt to clarify the situation, I have added to the lead para re: the KC recognising 211 breeds effective 2013 and removed the 209 figure from the text given in the PDE section (just the figure). I hope this is okay but if it's problematic to do it that way, please change it!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  17:16, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

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see also section
Kennel club, the Fédération Cynologique Internationale, American Kennel Club, Kennel Club of India. Also Dog breed & Conformation show / Conformation_show#In_the_United_Kingdom ee 88.111.90.165 (talk) 03:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Renaming to The Royal Kennel Club
Should the article not be renamed to the royal kennel club? Traumnovelle (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)