Talk:The Knife

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According to their website theknife.net, they are on tour and are playing three shows in Sweden. I think that the comment about them "refusing to play live" should be modified, but as I know nothing about the history of the band, I'm not sure how to word it. - Third 22:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Yep, saw that and tried to fix it up. Not too sure how accurate my revision is(or will be) though, since they seem to be in the process of changing their attitude about touring. Previously to the announcement of those 3 shows, they had only ever played 1 show in London, and never before that. Perhaps they're on the verge of announcing a real tour sometime soon, but as it stands I think the article is an accurate portrayal of how they feel about touring. - Rodeosmurf 15:57, 27 February 2006 (EST)

Their attitude towards performing wasn't that they were against it, it was that they didn't know how to present their electronic music live. The Knife only do things if it is an extension of the music - their videos are always interesting and artistic and the reason they dress up and stuff for photos is that they don't like to break the illusion of the music. The reason they are touring now - and they are on tour now - is that they have thought of a way they would like to present their music live. The tour is called "SILENT SHOUT TOUR - An Audio Visual Experience" and the visuals are by Andreas Nilsson who has this to say about it all:
 * "In the first performances by The Knife the role played by the visuals is rather big. Their purpose is to somehow represent the dramatic enacting a performance ideally should encompass, but which The Knife would rather not engage in.

Our aim is to find and enhance the tone of the music, especially where it's presently at with the apocalyptic record Silent Shout.

Karin and Olof will be placed in an altering video-landscape between solid and transparent images. These images will content-wise bring forth the mood that is the ordinary and the simple, but at the same time with an underlying subliminal feeling of that which we run from. A pretty harsh vision.

One interesting aspect of their music is the way in which The Knife work with different characters of singing. These will be visualized by reinforcing The Knife with two individuals of unknown origin. Bred under hypnosis." It's all on their website dude. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Larry_laugh (talk • contribs).


 * The Knife are to release a DVD of their Silent Shout tour this year. Their website

Black Hole/Charles Burns??
In the article it states that it is widely believed that "Silent Shout" is an interpretation of the comic book "Black Hole" by Charles Burns but that the Knife have never explicitly stated this. This statement is extremely vague, and upon checking the "Source" used for this, there is no mention anywhere of Charles Burns, or Black Hole, or anyone thinking that the album Silent Shout is in any way related to that. I'm going to go ahead and delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.44.160.10 (talk) 20:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Heartbeats analysis
Is the new bit about Heartbearts in the intro really necessary. It seems to be just an opinion, and the English used in it isn't great.

The information there could maybe be put into a separate page about Heartbeats maybe? But I don't think it belongs in the introduction paragraph to The Knife PlazzTT 09:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I found it to be very interesting and am gratefull it's there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Larry_laugh (talk • contribs).

I also think it is useful to have this information here, as two of my friends have told me they thought The Knife was doing a cover of Jose Gonzales... And judging by the last.fm music community chart listing, Heartbeats is the most popular song by The Knife. --- calum  23:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The bit about Heartbeats on the page now is perfect. My original post here was about the paragraph added on 22nd August by LittleSister: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Knife&oldid=71151336

It's now been removed, so case closed. :) - PlazzTT 19:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I have (once again) removed that OPINION of what the song 'Heartbeats' means, due to the fact that its an OPINION and not a fact, some people cant get that through their little brains on this site lol

"...and the English used in it isn't great..." - Nobody cares about your judgement. You could add some real content to your inane drive-by trash and try to base your thinking on rational thought. The English is bad compared to whom? Who is the authority who has defined what good English is? I believe that the thought about bad English only exists in your small egoistic head. 88.193.140.144 (talk) 04:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Empirically poorly written english exists. You can't just "believe" that it's well written. I read the link above and it's actually awful. It's unencyclopedic anyway-- just poorly written speculative interpretation of the lyrics-- and has no place on this website. It is a nice interpretation though. Leopold Stotch (talk) 07:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Timberlake cooperation
I haven't found any sources for the claim, that The Knife and Justin Timberlake are planning a cooperation.

I have therefore deleted 'Untitled Justin Timberlake Collaboration (2008)' from the discography.

Uffep 23:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"they did not attend the award ceremony due to many different reasons according to themselves"
What the dang heck is this supposed to mean? However, they did not attend the award ceremony due to many different reasons according to themselves. Somebody should re-write that it doesn't make sense but I don't even know what it is supposed to mean so I can't fix it. 67.180.39.229 07:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)The Josh

I think this originally said that they snubbed the ceremony in protest of something (can't remember what). The Knife have said that this was not the only reason for not attending. They said there were many reasons for not attending.

I think that's what it's trying to say, I don't know if it's true. It needs clarifying alright (and a citation). PlazzTT 23:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there any speculation on the origin of the Knife's band name?

It seems to me that it could be a reference to an old Genesis song entitled the Knife, off of the album Trespass (1970). This would make sense to me, as the stage performance of the Knife seems to take influence from Peter Gabriel's theatrical live performances.

Can anyone speculate further, or perhaps find a source on the subject?

Fair use rationale for Image:Hannah med H Soundtrack.jpg
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transgender?
I was told that one or both members is transgender, transsexual, a drag performer or some other flavour of transgender. Which one is it and what are the exact facts?--Sonjaaa (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably what you're thinking of is that for their music video for You Take My Breath Away they had a tranny drag performer or whatever (a guy dressed up like a chick) act in the lead role singing the vocals. Leopold Stotch (talk) 07:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

It was the video for 'Pass This On', just fyi. 86.139.18.224 (talk) 12:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hiatus
If anyone has a source for the "3 year hiatus" please cite it or post it here. Leopold Stotch (talk) 07:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Jenny Wilson?
Someone has claimed that The Knife produced 'Let My Shoes Lead Me Forward' by the aforementioned Ms Wilson - can we please have a citation for that? They certainly remixed the song for her cd single release of it, but it was my understanding that Jenny self-produced that entire album (Love And Youth). Apologies if I am wrong. 86.139.18.224 (talk) 12:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

"Male dominance" plug
I just deleted the unsubstantiated claim that the gorilla stunt was a "protest against male dominance". By now it has been marked as "citation needed" for two months, and what a strange coincidence, the claim was added on March 8, the International Women's Day - a dead giveaway of an ideology plug. 195.22.116.2 (talk) 23:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Ideology plug? The band themselves have stated that it was their objective to protest the disproportionate number of male acts and thus your own delusional claim that the contribution was ideological is ideological itself. Is your contempt for feminism so vast that it simply pains you to think a band you like don't share your views with regard to gender? Don't cry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.148.225.27 (talk) 04:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Both siblings have expressed an identification with feminism but some clown who would insert male dominance in inverted comments as if to contest the obvious leaps to extraordinary conclusions about "plugs" and fails to comprehend the possibility that it may have simply been a coincidence or that perhaps their objective behind the gorilla stunt came to light upon this day which would make perfect sense in context? How does this contributor reconcile his contempt for International Women's Day and it seems for women in general with his apparent appreciation of a band that would equate such contempt with ignorance at best? Does hypocrisy know no bounds? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.148.225.27 (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Name - The Knife
Named after Genesis song? (Busser08 (talk) 03:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)) I beleive the clue to the band´s name is in the lyrics of "You take my breath away". --Elugol (talk) 17:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

They claimed in an interview they that just wanted to go for something "edgy", in the same time suggesting that the name choice was a bit random. I don't have a source though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.102.103.251 (talk) 19:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

bird masks? medieval doctors?
Previously, 'medieval doctors' in the sentence"Recently the group has shown themselves in public wearing masks formed as birds' beaks, similar to those used by medieval doctors." linked to Black_Death(Other_effects), a page which doesn't include any mention of birds, masks, or beaks. I'll swap it out for a 'cite needed' for now - I'm curious about the justification, though, did the target page once contain a bird mask reference?MattLohkamp 09:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt.lohkamp (talk • contribs) You can find a picture in the German article about the plague:  The Doctors filled the beak of the masks with some spices to protect them from an infection. --89.48.1.134 (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, if you were to go to the venetian mask page cited for the first section and scroll to the bottom you will find a section on a beak like mask used during the plague period, with citations to the creator of the mask.

Splitting discography to a sub-article
Right now the Discography and Videography sections on the article occupy at least half of the space and make the article look very cluttered. Thus, I'm proposing a split to a separate sub-article: The Knife discography. Discography articles on Wikipedia have a well-developed style and would also allow a cleaner presentation of the information given. You can see WP:WikiProject Discographies for more information. Quibik (talk) 23:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

"Tomorrow, in a Year" The Knife's opera
I'm surprised that in the main page there's no mention of the opera(Tomorrow, in a Year) that The Knife have created that was inspired by Charles Dawrin...somehow...there's a video in the link below and it's quite odd.

http://pitchfork.com/news/36762-watch-supremely-weird-trailer-for-the-knifes-charles-darwin-opera/

I would add it in myself, but I've not really got the time to do that unfortunately.

I just thought it should at least be brought up! It could also warrant it's own page perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrotherEstapol (talk • contribs) 03:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I've added a section in "History" on the opera. I did not change the discography, as it hasn't been released yet. 174.3.122.173 (talk) 02:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Re-editing this Gonzalez reference
The first paragraph and the history of the Knife both referred primarily to Jose Gonzalez and his supposed rocketing of the Knife into fame. I rewrote this, as I believe it to be an offense to the Knife or any artist. Jose Gonzalez's cover is interesting and good, indeed. But it doesn't warrant some idiot continually writing all over the article that the Knife only achieved international success and recognition after his cover-song alerted the world to the electronic duo. I, and many others who showed me the album Deep Cuts, came to know about it long before I heard of Jose Gonzalez or saw his cheap online video. Many people who actually listen to electronic music would agree that the Knife had a MUCH larger impact on music, electronic music, in the worldwide scene than did Jose Gonzalez and his simple cover of one song. This impact began in 2003, before Jose Gonzalez or his band were largely recognized.

I've edited this in the history (because History is meant to describe the Knife and not Gonzalez) and also downplayed it in the introduction paragraph. Any problems with that should be discussed here. I don't even like the Knife that much, but I just find offense to people going around and vandalizing a band's image in response to some random acoustic cover that has made waves in a completely different genre/world. The Knife deserve recognition on their own merit and successes, not some silly unbeknownst reference by some ignorant fan of Jose Gonzalez or perhaps by some Sony executive who might have edited that into the article. Right.. right.

Added "Shaken-Up Versions" to discography section
I've made a new sub-section within the discography for EPs and added their new release (Shaken-Up Versions) to it along with Gender Bender. I couldn't decide if Shaken-Up Versions should be listed as a studio album or as an EP on account of it having a track count and running time that exceeds the common definitions of extended play; however, I went with EP simply because that is what the band has been marketing it as as well as it being essentially a remix album.

&#9737; nbmatt 14:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

RE: The dubious break-up
While I know this idea requires a bit of assumption, I think the article/interview being used as a source to support their breaking-up misinterprets the statement The Knife made. Not only is the band consistently cryptic when dealing with that sort of question (or any question, really), but they have continued to perform since that interview was published, contradicting the suggestion that they've dissolved. As a matter of fact, they happen to have played a show today and will also be playing one tomorrow. &#9737; nbmatt 21:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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