Talk:The Land Before Time (film)/Archive 2

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 * I've made a Land Before Time Userbox, if you want to add it to your user page copy and paste the following: --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 18:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The apatosaurus pic is there because I can't find a free-use pic relating to the Land Before Time. If anyone has one, feel free to replace the current picture with yours. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 02:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

"Animals Featured"
Removed the section, as it was completely irrelivent and contained original research.

70.49.146.205 (talk) 04:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

TV airings.
Is this section really necessary? I am asking this on the grounds that the information in this section seems trivial, and featured film articles such as Jaws (film) do not have this sort of a section. If the consensus is that this section is not required, I will remove it, otherwise, I guess it'll stay. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 02:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I just checked the manual of style for movies, and it makes no mention of including this sort of a section. Therefore, I presume that this sort of section is not called for, by Wikipedia's law, and thus I have removed it. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 04:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup/copyediting
I have done severe cleanup in the "Production" section. Most of my cleanup involves cutting back on the redundancies; a sentence should not go on and on about its subject. For example:

Take a look at this sentence:

"The character of Rooter was brought into the story to soften the emotional blow, and teach Littlefoot and the audience that although loved ones may die, they are always with us in the lessons that are learned from them."

Now look at it now:

"The character of Rooter was added to the story to soften the emotional blow, and teach Littlefoot and the audience that even after loved ones die, they are always with us in the lessons we have learned from them."

I'd say it's much better now. It delivers the same information, nothing of relevance was removed from the sentence; all I did was reduce the amount of word usage by a minor degree. Consequently, I'd say its real-world perspective is now more obvious (the character was "brought in" almost sounds like they asked him to join) and it makes more sense now (the lessons "that are" learned from them, or the lessons "we have" learned from them. Since the messageis about our deceased loved ones being a part of us, it should say that it's in the lessons we have learned from them. The other way makes it sound like the lessons could have been learned by anyone, but they automatically connect us with our loved ones.)

Removal of uncited comment
The bit about Ducky being Judith Barsi's favourite performance was unverified, and had been ever since it was put there. The only source I can think of which says anything about this is in the Internet Movie Database, which Wikipedia does not view as a reliable source of verification. Also, I looked all over the internet, on Judith's official sites and online memoriums, and any other site about her that could be reliable, and I've found nothing. Until someone can find an offline source which can validly verify this tidbit, I'm afraid it had to go.

A warning for other users, to be on the lookout
At least two users have been saying that a singer called "Lucy Mitchell" did the revoicing for the character's screams. User:Leehods's single edit to Wikipedia (at the time I posted this message) involves saying that voice over artist and singer Lucy Mitchell did the revoicing. It is hard for me to assume good faith for two reasons, one of which I will get to in a moment. The other I'll point out right now: He says in the edit summary: "Spelling correction", but I do not see any evidence that any words in that particular sentence needed spelling correction, nor do I see any evidence that he changed the way a word was spelled.

That was on March 17th, and six days later, another user: Sbrenda makes exactly the same edit:, and uses the exact same words. It's all together possible she delved into the history of the page, and wrote it from there, of course, but I'm concerned about the way she says in the summary "correction of previous edit". The preceding edit was done by me; it was a copyedit of the first sentence in the "Plot" section. Now, I see two things wrong in this picture: 1. (Though this one might be a bit biased, as it is my opinion on my own contributions) I do not personally think that edit needed any corrections. 2. It's peculiar to correct an edit to the "Plot" section in an article by editing the "Production" section. Of course, she might not have meant correcting the very last edit before hers, but it still seems strange.

What bothers me about both these cases is that each of these users describe changes in the edit summary which share no characteristics with what they actually were doing. Due to their limited contributions, it also seems like they have no other motive to edit Wikipedia, but to put in this statement. What also bothers me is that I checked on the Internet Movie Database (again, not the most reliable place, but more often than not they have a page for a voice-over artist.) I found nothing there about a "Lucy Mitchell". I did find a "Lucie Mitchell", but no credits were attributed to The Land Before Time. I also found a "Lucy Michelle", but her only credit was a character in a 1989 program "Family Reunion". After The Internet Movie Database, I looked on Google Web Search, and found lots of Lucy Mitchells (with that spelling) but none were singers or voice actresses. I've checked Wikipedia, and the only Lucy Mitchell I could find died in 1888, about 100 years before LAND hit the theatres. I also checked The Animated Films of Don Bluth, as well as a few other book sources, viewable online, which mention LAND. None of them mentioned any "Lucy Mitchell".

I informed Sbrenda about this on her talkpage, after she returned the statement on the 26th of March, and asked her to provide a reliable source for this information if she tries to put it back again.

This then concludes my message. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Recent cleanup (June 2009).
Again, I've reduced the wording here and there in the article. I've also removed the "ranked B at Box Office Mojo" bit, because I remember User:AnmaFinotera saying that it was not a relevant piece to include. That's about all for now. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 05:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Cera
The text (Development and production) says Cera's gender was picked by GL, with a reference to [4]. However, that page says:
 * "One character, Cera, was in mid-animation before a decision was finally made to use a female voice!"

I can't find any other reference on that page referring to Cera's gender, so I changed it into a fact-tag. Jalwikip (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * On page 233 of Animation Film: Virgin Film by James Clarke, it mentions George Lucas suggested changing Cera from a boy to a girl. Also, on page 138 of The Animated Movie Guide by Jerry Beck, it mentions that the original male character's name was "Bambo". Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don&#39;t mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 23:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Ducky's species.
It lists her here as a Parasaurolophus, but I specifically remember having several official TLBT coloring books when I was a child, which listed her as an Anatosaurus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.121.44 (talk) 01:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We need citations for reference. If you have a coloring book (which I think you don't haha) then you could cite that I guess. There is currently no citation as evidence for her species. --Michaelzeng7 (talk) 13:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

There's also the sing-along video,which lists her as a Saurolophus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.144.231 (talk) 06:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Better picture needed
Does anyone have a better picture? The one in the article seems to be significantly red-shifted. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 05:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Found one at moviegoods.com and used it to replace the article's poster image. Thanks for the heads-up! Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, the new picture looks awesome! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 23:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Petrie
Petrie is more acrophobic than aerophobic. He flies for pete's sake! And that entire phobia business is probably original research. --70.62.142.66 (talk) 22:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Sequels
I know there were a lot of sequels... could someone please put a list of those on the main page? It'd be much appreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.200.190.26 (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You can find a list of sequels at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Land_Before_Time_(series)--Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Analysis
As the 'Analysis' section said it needed expanding, I have added a section on Slavoj Zizek's criticisms of the film's central theme. Perhaps the expansion tag could be taken off now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.2.79 (talk) 12:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine --Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The Zizek passage seems to refer to the series in general and at one point the fourth film, not this first one. Maybe the analysis is better place at The Land Before Time (series)? Note: I found the passage in Google Books Search, and it refers to the series, not this one film. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 23:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Kenneth Mars
Aw, man. I can't believe that Kenneth Mars, who Grandpa Longneck in The Land Before Time sequels and TV series, died of a cancer last Saturday. Well, you know what I think? I think that if Universal would come up with a new Land Before Time film, they would have to hire Jim Cummings or Patrick Stewart to voice Grandpa Longneck since he replaced Kenneth Mars for the voice of King Triton in The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning or Patrick who played the voice of Bambi's Father from Bambi 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.212.36.111 (talk) 02:11, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

"Uncut" Finnish TV airing claims = false?
I often read that the uncut version of the film was broadcast on Finnish television. However, I remember someone from Finland making a comment on a YouTube video (a video I don't think is up on YT anymore), basically implying that the "uncut" version was simply the standard cut - i.e., "uncut" would have referred not to having the missing scenes, but reinstating even further edits made by the censors in Finland (or simply have been a mis-statement).

I highly doubt the rumors that the "uncut" version aired on Finnish TV was the version without the edits made before release. I've heard many stories of longer versions of films being shown only in some far-flung country and just about all of them turned out to be either myths or hoaxes. The person who claims to have recorded it says that the tape doesn't exist anymore, which is usually a sign that the person is either mistaken or lying. I don't believe that Universal would have sent a longer version to Finland, especially since the scenes were cut out of the original negative from which the foreign distribution prints were made.

Someone investigated this further, and made a LiveJournal post about this which was also posted on DeviantArt. link

I highly, highly doubt the "uncut version in Finland" story, and think that this "fact" should be taken out of the article, at least until such time as the rumors can be proven one way or the other.--TServo2050 (talk) 05:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)