Talk:The Languages of Venezuela

Article 1: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenguas_de_Argentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Argentina

Article 2: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigraci%C3%B3n_italiana_en_Argentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Argentines

—Creo que los dos artículos son posibilidades, aunque la segunda opción me parece tal vez más prometedora por la extensión y la cantidad de referencias en la versión en español. Pero elige el que más te interese. Bradhoot (talk) 22:35, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Comentarios segundo borrador
¡Buen trabajo, Camila! Por supuesto, quedan unos asuntos por arreglar aún, así que aquí van mis comentarios, en orden según su lugar en el texto.
 * La introducción debe estar por encima del índice, y debe ser un párrafo y no unas viñetas.
 * En la cita de la Constitución, debes usar el formato block quote.
 * Las palabras que están en español deben ir en cursiva y los nombres de las lenguas con mayúscula.
 * (ok,CD, DVD, Cool, Croissant, etc.) <-- estas palabras ejemplares también deben estar en cursiva
 * and or = and/or
 * Nombres propios, como los de los Censos, van con mayúscula.
 * and by so = and thus? and therefore?
 * isolated languages = language isolates or linguistic isolates; Puedes agregar un enlace a Language isolate
 * varies between 38?
 * number of speakers of indigenous language = indigenous languages?
 * Ethnologue organization = maybe just Ethnologue (lo cambié y agregué un enlace)
 * The majority of the indigenous Venezuelans = The majority of indigenous Venezuelans
 * Following you have the data ... <-- Esta oración debe reescribirse.
 * UNICEF.4​ <-- esta cita no funciona cmo tal
 * this is the indigenous language most speakers in Venezuela = with the most speakers? or most widely spoken?
 * Wayuu or Wayúu?
 * The current Caribbean languages, c. 2000.?
 * Image Caption: actual is a false cognate
 * the Amazons = the Amazon?
 * On November 25, 2014 it was included in the list of Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity, in the list with urgent safeguards and it is the first venezuelan indigenous language declared by UNESCO. <-- Citation? (Also: Venezuelan)
 * It is spoken by approximately 1520 people from etnia barí in Venezuela in 2007 <-- ¿Etnia barí?
 * Por lo general, si es posible, los nombres de todos estos idiomas deben ser enlaces.
 * Adelaar and Muysken Senalan point out = Adelaar and Muysken point out
 * La sección sobre Jirajarana menciona autores como Adelaar y Muysken, pero no incluye una cita directa a la fuente.
 * Hay unos problemas de formato en la sección Other Small Families
 * Another religious = another monk? another priest?
 * one of the most featured scientists = renowned?
 * En la sección "Studies of indigenous Venezualan languages" hay varios problemas de mayúscula/minúscula
 * Among the most spoken are Arabic, Chinese, English, Italian and Portuguese. <-- Citation needed
 * Portunol = Portuñol?
 * Ref. #10 <-- No creo que una página de Wikipedia sea una referencia apropiada.

Bradhoot (talk) 03:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Second Draft Translation Comment
Hi Camila! Overall, your translation for this article was really good! Everything was clear and I could read it clearly, maybe just double check for like typos or some sentence wording. I'm gonna include some suggestions for formatting certain things and specific sections that I was sort of just being nit-picky with, but I also think giving those spots another look would make the article even clearer.

Formatting

 * You included a translated Index section in your article. I think you can just remove that because Wikipedia makes that for you when you make new headings, which you have at the top of you where it says "contents"
 * I would hyperlink the words that have wikipedia articles on those subjects. You can do that by putting two brackets around each side of the specific word, like this  and that will automatically connect those words, specifically the ones that were hyperlinked in the original article.
 * I would also footnote the parts of the article that are connected to your citation with the little cite option, just so readers can connect the information to the sources
 * At the beginnings of some of the sections you included the translations of the picture captions that are already there, I would just remove those
 * For the quote you have from the Venezuelan constitution I would format that as a block quote

Section Specific Suggestions
Venezuelan Spanish Section

"This shows that as you explore the country the dialects change, the use of colloquial words and phrases is an important factor in determining this."
 * This sentence makes sense but I think it would be more clear if it was separated in to two sentences.

Indigenous Languages


 * "isolated languages" I would switch to "languages isolates" and also check for the same use in later sections.
 * "Dixon y Aikhenvald" Make sure to translate to "and"
 * "Varies between 38" This was the direct translation, but I think you should change that slightly because it's just referencing one number, so maybe use "Around " instead of "between"

Arawak family


 * "first of all" I would use "most prominently" for better wording in the sentence.
 * "this is the indigenous language most speakers in Venezuela." I would change this to this is the indigenous language with the most speakers in Venezuela.

Caribbean Family


 * Some of the languages you have listed here have English names/exonyms. Maybe include those too and you would be able to link to English wikipedia articles on those languages.
 * "Among the Caribbean languages extinct since the conquest are the tamanaco, the cumanagoto and the chaima." This sentence makes sense I think it should just be reworded for more clarity in the sentence.

Chibcha Family
 * "etnia bari" just make sure you translate this

Yanomami family


 * "This languages" change to "these languages"

Macro-maku family


 * "Been formed by" I would change this to "made up of" for clarity

Isolated, non-classified, and doubtfully classified languages


 * "Non-classified languages" I would switch to "unclassified languages" because the link wikipedia article from the original article uses that.
 * "there exists some oral evidence" I would reword this for clarity

Studies of indigenous Venezuelan languages


 * "Elaborated" you use this word in the 4th paragraph and it's translated correct, but I would use the translation "developed" instead because it might make more sense in the context
 * I'd remove the "Hzyd" because it looks like a typo in the original article
 * "these languages to European Linguists" I would change "to" to "with"

Mleary24 (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2019 (UTC)