Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess/Archive 3

Good Article nomination has failed
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 * Major lack of stability, owing perhaps to the fact that this game hasn't been released yet.

cholmes75 (chit chat) 15:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That and more information on the game will probably get added to the article once gamers finish the game's objectives. Hopefully, after a few weeks once the hype dies down a little, we can start fixing the article back to "Good article" quality. (tyger 17:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC))

Voice Acting
Although it could be disputed that Twilight Princess doesn't feature any "formal" voice acting, does it still list the voice actors which played each role?

Article Should be Re-Written
I think i saw about 6 things in the article that refer to it as still not out yet,the game is now officially out.i think it should be re-written. - Luigi128 Now that the game has been released, I second this. - mellesime

Flying in TP
May i add that in this new trailer that it is shown that link can fly? --70.130.41.157 08:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We see 2 seconds of Link hanging under a flying creature. That's not flying and might just as well be a mini-game. Besides, Aonuma said at E3 2005 there will be no flying transportation (mini-games excluded of course). JackSparrow Ninja 21:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Did you see the same trailer? Link becomes a bird and flies around. True, it may be a mini-game, but Link definately flies at some point in the game. -Platypus Man | Talk 17:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not link, he is in wolf form and being carried by a bird.
 * OK. I looked at it again and admit defeat. However, the player still is clearly controlling the bird, even if it's not Link himself. Maybe it's Midna? -Platypus Man | Talk 23:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It could be but claiming that would be pure speculation. That would need to be verified before adding. --65.95.19.142 20:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, ok,let me clear this up. IN one of the new gameplay trailers it shows a big flying creature drop near them, Midna hops on the creature and the creature grabs wolf Link, and they fly off, while also still controlling it. SO this is a gameplay mechanic. And is probobly activated by the many songs wolf link learns throughout the adventure. THe other recently revealed song was the song of healing, this allowed wolf link to communicate with another spirit wolf. While it ay not heal anyone like it did in MM, but the song melodey was the song of healing ---McMeaty


 * "The flying dragon-like creature we have seen in one of the recent trailers, that was carrying Wolf Link, is an enemy that you control. You first encounter such a sequence while following the story, but at a later point you will see these sort of sequences again in mini-game and sidequest form. To put rumours to rest, this -and Cucco's- is the only sort of flying in the game." JackSparrow Ninja 02:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Having played the game, I can confirm that McMeaty is correct about the flying creature in all respects.--Jorm 08:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Zelda image
I was wondering why the Zelda image was changed from the concept image to the screenshot? The screenshot is small and blurry (especially when compared to Darknut image), whereas the concept image is large and clear, and keeps in line with Link's concept art. Thoughts? Mintchocolatebear 15:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is because the artwork is over a year old, and the screenshot is reflective of the most recent version of Princess Zelda. I didn't change it, but I agree with the change - though you can get a better quality version from the trailer off GameVideos and taking a screen capture. --TSA 01:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the difference may be that the pic that is currently up (which i assume you are talking about) is of zelda in the Twilight Realm, in her funeral robes. in one video she is seen in her normal pinkish-white dress.Aquilix 03:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

What's the original?
I couldn't find a section for this on the talk page so I'm starting one up. I'm curious, does anyone know which Twilight Princess is the port of the other? In other words, was the Wii the original and ported to the GameCube? or the other way around? Chef Ketone 16:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's my understanding it was initially intended for the GameCube and then shifted to the Wii during development. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.118.99 (talk • contribs)
 * It started out as a GameCube game. They then decided to release it for Wii as well. The Wii version is basically a port but using the Wii Remote for controls. The Wii version also will have progressive scan support (which the GameCube version doesn't). Miyamoto himself said he can't go back to the GameCube version after playing the Wii version. Either one should be good though. TJ Spyke 20:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The gallery is huge
Really huge...really unnecessarily huge. Is there any reason for ALL those images? 199.126.137.209 05:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Those screenshots are the latest batch, that basically show the game as it will be released come Nov. 19th. Plus, they're beautiful, and informative... and this article has gone way too long without a decent gallery.  I say leave them up. Wapatista 10:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

somethings wrong
The weapons section won't show up completely; half of it is missing. But it is there in the editing window. Bly1993 19:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a cache issue. Click here to purge the cache, and check again. -- ReyBrujo 20:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed that problem myself and realized for that it started when I tried to add in Nintendo Power References to the article. I have removed them for now and at least on my computer everything it back to normal so I hope it is working fine for you now. I don't know why this caused the information removal so I will not try to add them back in myself because it will likely happen again. This does lead to the probelm of several unreferenced peices of info in the entry though so can someone with more experience try to add them back in a proper manner. --70.48.174.252 02:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Downloadable content in Wii version
According to this interview with George Harrsion the Wii version of the game will have downloadable content such as extra levels. (I'm assuming that means mini-dungeons of some kind.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kad-05 (talk • contribs)


 * It's completely taken out of context. There is no downloadable content in the Wii version. JackSparrow Ninja 03:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Your link did not work (for me at least). Any other proof you may have, or maybe a transcript of the content in that link? User:Feral2k 11:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Twilight realm
Can anyone tell me why the Twilight Realm's color style is mentioned under "weapons and items?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Purplepurplepurple (talk • contribs).
 * There was something wrong with the text and some things were removed and somehow belended with other sections. I believe it was somehow caused by some refrecnces that I added earler. They have been removed for the time being and it should be back to normal now. --70.48.174.252 03:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

December 11th US GCN Release?
 According to that, it releases on the 11th, not the 13th as said here. I fixed the article, but if this is wrong for some reason, oh well. Shadic 05:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He must be mistaken, according to their official website, it comes out 12/13. TJ Spyke 06:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Gah, George Harrison is really irritating me. He's been wrong with like, everything he's said about Twilight Princess.Shadic 07:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless, we should follow the latest official information. It's right until it's proven wrong; if it is, the fault lies with him. --64.252.201.43 01:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He may be mistaken, and the official Zelda site still says 12/13. TJ Spyke 01:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And a Wikipedia user obviously is right over the word of an employee from Nintendo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChibiMrBubbles (talk • contribs)
 * Perrin Kaplin said the Wii was region free, and we all know what happened there. If other Nintendo sources also change the release date to 12/11, then OK. TJ Spyke 23:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

He is from Nintendo, WHAT HE SAYS HAS MORE IMPORTANCE THAN WHAT YOU THINK. He said it's Nov 11, now, we could compromise and mention that it's now shifting towards the 11th.

Nintendo of America's OFFICIAL website, Gamepro, IGN, and Amazon all list December 11th! And Zelda Universe, which claims is the official Zelda site, says a release of 2006. It's December 11th, and people need to stop changing it back to the 13th!

It's the 12th of December. http://zelda.com --Crimalex 00:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Zelda.com is wrong. Even though its official, I'd believe Nintendo of America over it since they are the official nintendo website, which makes zelda in the first place. Anyway, I sent Nintendo an email and asked them if it was Dec. 11th to change www.zelda.com, or if it was the 12th to change their site. So, we shall see. But I'm fairly certain it's the 11th, and I think it's kind of foolish to go by one site, instead of 4 others and a Nintendo executive.
 * Retailer websites often have wrong release dates. TJ Spyke 01:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

"The Nintendo GameCube version of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will be available 12.12.06." - zelda.com Just incase, this is for the person who couldn't find it (in the edits).

Zelda.com is the official Zelda site, which is run by Nintendo so it's trustworthy. Also NoA doesn't make Zelda, the just handle translations etc. --Crimalex 02:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nintendo is just making a mess of things, since their official press site says december 13. We'll just have to wait and see. Untill they give one clear answer, let's just stick with what we got, which is 12. JackSparrow Ninja 02:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

What official site were you on? The one I went to said Dec. 11th. But you're right. Might as well compromise and say the 12th, even though I still have this feeling it's the 11th. Nintendo needs to clear things up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrfinke (talk • contribs)
 * Check the edit history. Go to zelda.com and click on the link to TP, at the bottom it will say that the GameCube version comes out on December 12th. JSN is right, Nintendo has made a mess of this since we have 3 different dates and all are from official sources. TJ Spyke 03:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's the thing about release dates. Dec. 11 is the shipping date.  Most stores will get the game this day.  However, they will not put it on the shelves until the 12th.  Sources will often use the shipping date as the release date.  I hope this clarifies.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 04:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That would be a nice explanation, if not for the fact that Nintendo gives three official dates. What makes december 13 then? The day it's sold out? :P ;-) JackSparrow Ninja 04:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't put it past them. - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 04:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't put it past them. December 13 is on Nintendo's official press site. There are 3 official dates. JackSparrow Ninja 06:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Can someone put on of those citation thingies by the Dec 12th's, so people can see where the information was gotten from. i;d put it but I'm new to wikipedia editing and don't know. --Crimalex 21:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I got an email back from Nintendo of America today. Here's what it said: "Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,

The official release date for the Nintendo GameCube version of Twilight Princess should be December 11th. I've informed the appropriate departments to correct the release date posted at www.zelda.com. In the meantime, you will need to contact your local stores to find out exactly when they are getting their copies of Twilight Princess. " We'll have to wait and see if www.zelda.com changes

why are there 3 release dates again? you guys should make up your mind or something.....


 * I have the GameCube version pre-ordered at Best Buy. When I pre-ordered it (late October), it was slated for a December 11th release. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that the release date had been re-set and I would have to pick it up on December 12th. Anyone have any information to back this up as a postponing by all of Nintendo? Or is this a Best Buy specific thing? Chef Ketone 21:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You know, the game coming out on the 13th seems stupid. Why? Its a Wednesday. Games, movies, books, they all come out on TUESDAYS (with the exception to the Wii and PS3 lately). I'm willing to bet the 12th is the right date. The article being cited for the 13th is from October, I bet it changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.96.107 (talk • contribs)

The Futureshop, Best Buy AND the Nintendo site all say that the release date is the 11th. (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10075275&catid=21456, http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=fce85fe2-688f-4276-a3c2-84e0f270ab8b& , http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10075275&catid=11077) I think that that warrants a change.

One major problem with this article
Is that most of it has been written from a slow accretion of facts gleamed from interviews and magazines over a very long time. As such, throughout the article, many facts are corroborated with a statement like "in a recent interview" or "in the latest trailer", and disregarding the puerile nature of the overall effect, many of the implied interviews and trailers et al are actually no longer recent, and completely out of date! There is also a secondary problem, where entire sections end up reading as short snippets of facts, in the order that they were made public... Anyway, this article will probably metamorphose once TP finally gets released, but until then, I think someone should clean it up a little. Someone who isn't avoiding spoilers, like me, and who can no longer read many sections, let alone edit them. Wapatista 10:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Most popular game articles on Wikipedia get an extensive rewrite after the game is actually released. Almost all of the information in the article is based on secondary and tertiary sources, so we can't be sure of anything until the game is out there and Wikipedia editors are playing the game. So, if the page is rewritten using primary sources, it will turn out much better than it is now. The development section of the article will probably be compressed and listed near the bottom of the article, as well. That's just how Wikipedia's editors work. 24.131.157.78 09:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

European release
I don`t know it this site should be trusted, but i hope its true. http://www.rpgsite.net/news/126.html -user:EEVEE103


 * The fact that they talk of a rumour, which never really was a rumour, let alone after Nintendo had already long re-confirmed the European release, says enough about their thrustworthy-ness. There has never been talk about there not being a European release. Those rumours are from American sites who know nothing of what's happening on the continent, yet do think they can say something of it.
 * Having ranted enough, you could have saved yourself the trouble and simply go to the most obvious source: Nintendo of Europe. JackSparrow Ninja 11:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * well that proves the european release date, im just sick of american sites (and people) banging on about it saying its only going to be released in NA. -user:EEVEE103

Proof Needed
OK, check out this bit from the article: "Link will have three types of bombs available." Where's the proof? There's a few more examples of this in the Weapons and Items sections, but I won't go into detail. Basically, those bits need some work. Maybe with bullet points. I love you bullet points. Ahem...I didn't state that out loud, did I?--Ninty 19:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * They're from the latest Nintendo Power, but the reference messed up the page. JackSparrow Ninja 19:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Umm, zelda dies
It says that "ZELDA DIES at the end of Twilight Princess. She drives her sword through Ganon's collar bone but he stabs her in the gut." at leat 11 times, someone wants to get there piont across very badly. im just going to delete them all.-Widkid85

umm it says something
something about sony and microcap suck i dont think tahts supposed to be there. ima take it off.


 * It's a vandal. The game is not even out yet.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 23:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

That vandal son of a bitch

 * Hopefully someone has the article archived.--Biolizard28 02:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I fixed it good as new.--Biolizard28 02:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Armor/Ganon screenshots
So why did you remove my Zora Armor and Midna information? Did you LOOK at the IGN message board? Where it was as CLEAR as day that the pictures were real.


 * I'm not sure what you're referring to, but if you tried to use the message board as a source, no can do. 199.126.137.209 01:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And why not? The pictures are damn real.


 * Please sign your comments
 * That said, here are the problems with the pictures:
 * 1) As said, message boards are not considered reliable sources.
 * 2) Such pictures should be uploaded and used as a wiki-picture.
 * 3) Those pictures look in no way like the graphics we have all seen in the game. No tv-flare thingie can change graphics that badly. This is clearly fake. JackSparrow Ninja 01:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/SolidusSnake/IMG_1326.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/SolidusSnake/IMG_1329.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/SolidusSnake/IMG_1330.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/SolidusSnake/IMG_1331.jpg

Yep, clearly ALL FAKED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChibiMrBubbles (talk • contribs)
 * They are also terrible quality, another reason not to add them in. TJ Spyke 01:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that hte person who posted:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/MrBubbles/IMG_1322.jpg

Faked it all? Oh wow. --ChibiMrBubbles 01:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Besides the horrible quality, which makes it pretty useless, the difference in graphic style seems a big warant of fakeness. JackSparrow Ninja 01:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Which is why IGN decided to pull the thread from IGN, who would want to get into legal trouble with Nintendo? Anyway, I won't push the matter more, but since I'm right, I'll have the courtasy of uploading the same pics but in higher quality. Enjoy being arrogant.--ChibiMrBubbles 02:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't be rediculous. Look at all the content that is being posted by gametrailers and advancemn; there is no NDA for it. Landofthelegend even posted some information about the ending of the game. IGN pulling the thread indicates fakeness rather then reality.
 * Besides, IGN is not responsible for what users post on their boards.
 * But if you are so certain of how real it is, you wouldn't mind explaining to me why in this picture the icon used to show that you can press A is not consistant with the rest of the game. JackSparrow Ninja 02:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

TSA, owner of TheHylia.com, is telling that said person to hush down. We'll have to wait until the game is out to see who is the winner.


 * Ah, good ol' TSA. Let me think, how many things did he make up again?
 * Those screens are so clearly fake, I don't even know why I bother to discuss.
 * Won't do anymore from now on. Have fun. JackSparrow Ninja 02:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

http://www.lawrence.com/blogs/gamer/2006/nov/12/zeldaupdate/

Tell me what is wrong with the pictures and info there. Go.--ChibiMrBubbles 02:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The horrible quality aside, it's no reliable source.
 * It doesn't even state who this person is, to have an early copy of the game.
 * Either way you twist it, it's fishy and blurry. JackSparrow Ninja 02:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Even if it was not fake, the quality is still way too low. It's a camera-at-screen picture, a screengrab would be much better. 67.23.84.125 06:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, the website seems to be down after many consistant updates, and he had answers for everything... maybe he was the real deal. Meh, still isn't official.LerLerson 10:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

How's it feel to be wrong? Enjoy. The Armor was real despite all your 'proof' saying they were fake. Next time, don't look like an ass who doesn't know jack about what they're talking about.


 * No one said the armour was fake. The screenshots are of such low quality -and graphical difference- they are considered fake. The existence of the armour was already known, and added to the article. JackSparrow Ninja 16:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Even more pics uploaded to: http://www.lawrence.com/blogs/gamer/2006/nov/12/zeldaupdate/ Still think he's lying and this is all a clever ruse with a program that simulates parts of the game we haven't seen?


 * Lay of the attitude. The pictures are of pathetic quality.
 * You're making a fool of yourself, and annoying us.
 * Don't do it, it won't gain you any respect. JackSparrow Ninja 16:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

What respect? This is Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia. Not something to boast about. The only fool here are those who remove real information/picture only because they don't believe it to be true, putting their personal opinion over what someone else who has the game. Thanks for assuming if I cared about respect, my ego isn't that pathetic to warrant immediate cyber attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChibiMrBubbles (talk • contribs)
 * Remember to sign your comments. Also, another reason they were removed is that the quality of the pictures were horrible. Maybe if they were decent shots (and not all blurry and fugly). TJ Spyke 20:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Meh. Everything has been taken down now, as he apparently had a call from a Nintendo representative. --Zooba 20:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Alrighty then, we'll just have to wait. --70.44.86.202 21:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Those are actual pictures from the game. The cut scene takes place after having beaten the dungeon "Arbiter's Ground." However, they are of very low quality, not to mention they contain a massive spoiler. If my opinion means anything, I vote they continue to be excluded and, at the very least, pictures of that sequence should be taken by somebody with a capture card. Mellesime 21:19, 28 November

Twilight King
I removed this section because it contained story spoilers that I felt were unacceptable. If any of you feel the information should stay you can go into my edit and extract the non-spoiler information, but it was egregious so be warned.


 * No offense, but seriously: immediate revert. It's spoiler information, which should perhaps be highlighted, but I think anyone who looks up something on an encyclopedia can expect spoilers. --Zooba 21:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

True, it is a spoilerfest, but as stated its only natural. So I second revert but perhaps remove the name for the sake of having less spoilertastic information. Name as in Zant, Twilight King is pretty self explanatory. --70.44.86.202 21:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't mind. --Zooba 21:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it is best to revert it to the previous, less spoiling version.
 * Though you may not mind Zooba, the majority of people will feel this being way too spoiling. JackSparrow Ninja 21:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers
I believe we should be somewhat careful with the amount of spoilers given at the moment. Yes, an encyclopedia (possibly) contains spoilers, but I feel this is going overboard. Nintendo is also taking action against it for good reason. People should still be able to look up basic information about this game, without having everything spoiled. JackSparrow Ninja 21:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I only feel spoilers should be avoided before a game/move comes out. Once they have been released, everything is fair game. TJ Spyke 21:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Exactly, so I believe we should take off the same clan info and his real name for the time being. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.86.202 (talk • contribs)


 * Exactly. Since the game isn't released yet, I feel we need to avoid the big-time spoilers. Most certainly if Nintendo rejects them.
 * I'm not even sure if Wikipedia is happy with them if Nintendo closes all sources with those spoilers. JackSparrow Ninja 21:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I edited Ganon and The Twilight King, feel free to correct any grammar errors.--ChibiMrBubbles 21:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
Someone deleted the article please get it back! Waluigi300 23:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Pyrus/Fyrus?
The caption under the boss picture says Fyrus while the article says Pyrus... Are the two names freely exchangable or is it a simple mistake? 64.13.95.106 18:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)"capgamer"


 * I overlooked a Pyrus name while changing it then :$ It is Fyrus, as the screenshot in the reference shows. I'll change it now. JackSparrow Ninja 18:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

All right, thanks! 64.13.95.106 18:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)"capgamer"


 * It was originally "Pyrus" in the NYC build, but has since changed to "Fyrus" in the final build. To ensure I wasn't going crazy, my Golin/Harris rep confirmed this. Still need to see if it is this way in all versions. --TSA 19:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Orchestrated Soundtrack
I added a bit about how all/most of the soundtrack will be orchestrated. I cited ign, so it should be alright. Feel free to reword it or whatever. Just 5 more days! -IeditWikipedia 04:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I reworded it to be more concise. Good find, nice job. The IGN article is fairly old (June 2005), but, I think, still trustworthy, unless anyone has heard differently ...? --Herald Alberich 06:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

According to one reviewer, "The game does not feature all live-recorded, orchestrated music..." "The majority of the title is simply synthesized audio." http://thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1163469393&archive=&start_from=&ucat=9& 64.13.95.106 09:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)"capgamer"
 * So it says it doesn't feature all orchestrated music, which should imply only a part of it. I guess that means some of the soundtrack, as opposed to most, will be orchestrated. Just wondering though, is that site trustworthy enough to cite? - IeditWikipedia 12:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe the review was done by TSA... the sorta famous speed run and Ganon Banned guy. Actually I think I've seen posts of his on this talk page. So, buddy, are you a reliable source? :) 64.13.95.106 15:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)"capgamer"
 * Considering the fact that in the last year alone, he's been responsible for 4 mayor rumours, the answer to that is quite simply no. JackSparrow Ninja 19:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as how he's posted videos on thehylia.com, I think it's safe to say that after viewing the videos, the music's not all orchestrated. Likewise, the reviews on IGN and other sites reveal the same.--72.85.171.6 20:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no spoiler warning in front of the story
Now Im mad that I know about the zelda and twilight king thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superway25 (talk • contribs)
 * I can't blame you since the game isn't out yet. Once the game does come out, I think the warning should be removed. I feel that if you want to know about the game/move (which includes plot) then you shouldn't be look at an encyclopedia entry for it. TJ Spyke 21:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Surely we should keep the spoiler tags even once the game is released? I'm pretty sure they remain on other pages when a game or movie is released. --Zooba 23:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And I disagree with spoiler warnings on stuff that is already released. If people don't want to know about a game then they shouldn't be looking it up on a encyclopedia. TJ Spyke 23:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps... I suppose I wouldn't be too adverse keeping things that have been officially released as non-spoilers. ie. content revealed in trailers, interviews etc. Agree/disagree? --Zooba 23:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * TJ, it doesn't matter whether you disagree or agree with spoiler tags. They are to be left up after this game is released.  Check almost any entry on a game/movie/show that has been released and you'll find them.  It's not that far-fetched that a person would be looking at an entry for something else other than story, and it would be a shame if they were to accidentally ruin it for themselves unintentionally.  So leave them alone, please. 199.126.137.209 04:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Having both cover art for boxes
I realize this was talked about already, but that was back in September, so I thought it should be brought up again. Can we get the Gamecube cover put up as well? The Gamecube cover is very different from the Wii version. If you compare the cover on the article page with the cover |here (scroll down to number four on that list), you'll see a big difference. The only thing the same is the logo. Other than that, they're very different. Different color schemes, different images on the cover, different everything else. Can we add it in? Anakinjmt 23:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The link doesn't seem to be working... --Zooba 23:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That box art is NOT correct (note how it doesn't even have a EXRB rating). The box art for the two versions are the SAME, the only difference is the Wii version is a little darker, but everything else is the same. TJ Spyke 23:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see now. Coulda sworn that was a rating in the corner. I checked Amazon and yeah, according to their pre-order pictures of the cover art, there is only a slight variation. A'ight, cool. Just making sure. Anakinjmt 00:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't trust IGN, it's bad for your health.
 * The GameCube version is colored actually, but that still leaves it the same, and it still leaves the same as in the september discussion: there is no videogame that has multiple boxarts, so TP should be no different. JackSparrow Ninja 00:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Grammar, Spelling, and an Archive request
The following two sentences from the plot section are very confusing:

"After Link enters the Twilight Realm, which, commanded by the Twilight King, reduces people to spirit form. Link, however, is transformed into a wolf instead upon entering, captured and imprisoned in a castle."

I don't know enough about the game to make a full determination as to how it should be worded, but I changed it to:

"After Link enters the Twilight Realm, which normally reduces people to spirit form, he is transformed into a wolf instead. Then he is captured and imprisoned in a castle."

If you disagree, let me know on my talk page.

Also, is it major or mayor in the plot section? And if someone would be so gracious as to archive this page. I would do it myself, but I'm not familiar enough with this talk page.-- Farquaadhnchmn ( Dungeon ) 01:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your edit certainly makes it clearer, and is accurate from what I know. I'm fairly certain "major" is a typo; I'll change that, and someone can change it back if, for some reason, "major" is a rank in Kakariko and Ordon. --Herald Alberich 02:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

And speaking of an archive request, I cleaned out the older topics and put them under /Archive2. --Stratadrake 03:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Missing Articles
The Nunchuck, Classic Controllers and RGB cables now on sale discussion topics amongst some others seem to have been lost in the archiving? Can someone with more wiki experince thatn me (essentially anyone) try and find what's happened to them? BigHairRef | Talk 23:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that you are on the correct board? This is the board for the game Twilight Princess so I doubt that those topics would have ever been here in the first place. --70.48.172.195 01:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah crap had the Wii and TP tabs next to each other. Apologies, next time I'll look at which article I'm on. BigHairRef | Talk 01:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. Everyone makes mistakes. I doubt anyone would be upest over this. --70.48.172.195 01:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Interview
There is an interesting article at wii.ign.com/articles/746/746455p1.html with some talk about the game, which could be used as reference later. -- ReyBrujo 02:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Another interview at www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3155348 which could be included in the article. -- ReyBrujo 03:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Power Review
It's listed in the reviews table, but there's no source. Is that issue even available yet?--llamapalooza87 22:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * All right, I'm removing it, since there's clearly no source. --llamapalooza87 22:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I added the review as scans had appeared as well as confirmation from a large number of sources

Possible Zora Appearance
In the newest trailer, I remember seeing Link rowing a boat down a rapids. It looked like a Zora was leading him. Could someone give a second opinion? Totema1 00:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Might possibly be looking at other things but that might be the fairy cursor they've included on the Wii version. Either way I'm not sure a possible sighting in a prerelease trailer would merit inclusion on the article. I'm happy to stand corrected on what the video actually shows though. BigHairRef | Talk 00:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What video are you talking about? If someone could provide me a link, I'd gladly watch it myself and help if I can. // Sasuke  -kun  27  00:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's a YouTube link:


 * And I took a screen so it becomes even more clear:


 * I think it's pretty possible, now that I've seen it multiple times. Totema1 01:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Any feedback? Totema1 06:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There's definately something there, and I can't imagine what else it could be. But it's certainly not clear enough to warrant inclusion in the article, especially since thousands will have a more definative answer tomorrow. --Herald Alberich 06:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a much better vid here, be warned for spoilers. BigHairRef | Talk 18:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry
I accidentally deleted the reviews section while trying to add Gamespot's review, so I reverted it. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.225.126 (talk • contribs)

The Review section
The section sounds horribe and needs to be rewritten. Now. I'd do it myself, but I don't know what the hell you guys are trying to get at. // Sasuke  -kun  27  04:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Some of those reviews should be removed too, since this is such a big game i'm sure it will get tons of reviews and we can't list all of them. TJ Spyke 04:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There's no telling how many reviews it's gotten so far or how many it will get in the near future. But about what I was referring to earlier, there used to be a review section in the article but I can't seem to find it in the history. I don't know what happened to it. It might have been on a different LoZ page, but I doubt it. // Sasuke  -kun  27  17:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears one person is just deleting it all. I've put it back for now. --Zooba 17:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers
Someone needs to put in the template in at least 2 places in this article. I would, except that I don't want anything spoiled.... 71.252.107.172 01:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Assuming we're talking about the same places I think I fixed this now. BigHairRef | Talk 18:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Who got rid of the TP storyline?
I was reading the TP page, someone erased the storyline, and in it's place put "srry". Please fix this. sean7gordon@epix.net —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.33.241.33 (talk • contribs).
 * What are you talking about? It was fixed a while ago. // Sasuke  -kun  27  03:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Ball and Chain = Flail?
I noticed under new weapons it said Link will have a "Ball and Chain" to attack enemies and smash down walls. Isn't that basically a flail? Do we have a picture of it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.119.64.233 (talk • contribs).
 * A flail can be a number of differnt things only one of which is the Ball and Chain. I think that unless someone can find a source or a screenshot of what it's actually called it might be wisest to leave it as ball and chain. BigHairRef | Talk 18:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Removeing out of date info
This article needs major cleanup, new info is just tacked on rather than edited in properly, ie, is sates it is not yet known if there will be two versions in the rest of the world (outside the US), this statment needs to be removed, it is obviously out of date as it is now known that their will. The development section needs to be cleaned up so that it purly contains relevent info to development, and the twilight princess on Wii section needsw to only state relevent and CORRECT info, not state as fact sompthing that is now known to be wrong and then contradict it's self a few lines down —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.244.87 (talk • contribs).
 * Everyone qualified to fix this article is currently too busy playing the game. Give it a few days, at least. --Herald Alberich 18:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've played up to the second temple (Goron Mines), so I'll be able to fix a few things today. JONJONAUG 12:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

A flail is a hab\ndle to chain to iron ball ball and chain is link holding a chain swinging it around with an iron ball attached.

Comments Box In reviews
Rather than leading to an editing war, can I look for some consensus as to what the comments box in the reviews section is for. Personally I think if the review in the same row has a summing up comment in the review then I would think that's a comment from the website. Something like "Editor's Choice" is not comments, it's additional info. Can I also ask other than Editor's choice what will go in to the comment's/additional info box as most websites appear to have nothing? I'd suggest that if it's only going to br used for things like editor's choice then we simply do away with the last box completely as it has NRD otherwise. I'll put the comment back in for now but can I suggest that if it's going to be removed someone other than the person who removed it originally does it? BigHairRef | Talk 01:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion is that that spot should be for things like Editor's Choice and Game of the Month awards. TJ Spyke 01:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Mainly because I'm going to bed now I'd like to make two suggestions here. Could I suggest that if there is no GOTM or Editor's Choice or similar awards then a comment (if there is one suitably snappy ;)) is included as per the title of the column. And if I turn out to be in the minority that the header is changed to additional info because IMNSHO, Ed's choice and GOTM Awards are not comments they are other information and as a small note IMHO a summing up comment from the reveiw tells you a lot more about it than wheter it won an 'award'. There's even an awards section for that. BigHairRef | Talk 02:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the comment box needs to be there, if simply to be in conjunction with other Zelda pages such as Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker. It looks far too convoluted without. --Zooba 20:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Comment box is a comment on the review, not on the game. If no one replies to this within the next week, I'll put the comment box back in. --Zooba 13:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember merging the "Comment" column with the scores column as a way to shrink the table's width, so that it doesn't squish the "Reception" section quite as much (and besides, without the break below it, it causes the References section to totally squish, which is positively unacceptable). If the page appears squished at 1024x768, I hate to think what it looks like at 800x600.  Besides, since it's only a few reviews that actually have comments in addition to the link and score, there really isn't much need for a separate column to begin with.  Why have a column that is mostly just empty space? --Stratadrake 17:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine. I'm just going to change some of the formatting, though. --Zooba 17:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Twilight Princess Dungeons and Bosses
I originally put a list of the dungeons and bosses for each. They were removed and asked to be talked about here. I see now the enemies and bosses part is incorrect and has missing info. I am not touching it until this is resolved. --TSA 06:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I think a new page should be started for this. Many of the other Zelda pages have seperate articles for enemies and bosses, and this game should be no different. If I can get support on this, I can start a Bosses page immediately. Dracokanji 13:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If the bosses are now included in another article, the descriptions of each boss should be removed and replaced with descriptions of the dungeons, in terms of physical qualities and context and not strategy. I would do it now, but I thought I'd ask before I went and totally rewrote an entire section, only to find that nobody wanted it rewritten. Mellesime

Please feel free to edit in information on the dungeons and bosses, now that they're separated (the bosses can be found in the Twilight Princess character page). I'll put this on the discussion section of your talk page if you don't see it here. --Zooba 18:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Rating given by theWiire
According to this article, theWiire gave Twilight Princess an A. What it says, however, is "A (Taken as 97 out of 100 for mean)"

But theWiire does give a number rating, and in this case was given a 92/100 rating (which leads to an "A" according to their Rating guide). However, I am uncertain what is meant by "for mean"... is this how a meta-ratings site takes the value? If this isn't explained soon, I will replace "Taken as 97 out of 100 for mean" with "92 out of 100". — Aielyn 10:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

abuse within this article...
unfortunatly upon reading the bottom of this page i found something quite offensive; being a newly signed up member; i did not know whether or not i was entitled to change it: i would like to request the few sentences are deleted and hope that people are no so immature in future: thank you for your support —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twilight Aruseus (talk • contribs)
 * It's already gone; I caught that within five minutes of its being posted. I'm sorry you had the misfortune to see it in the interim. You certainly did have the right to change it yourself, as vandalism is to be removed with all haste. I hope you stay and help us to improve and defend Wikipedia from people like that. --Herald Alberich 20:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Something needs to be done
The story section is quite good, it is obvious that someone has played through the game and edited the story section of the page. Unfortunately, the rest of the article doesn't appear to be so sure of the plot, theres a lot of 'this is unconfirmed' and I don't know enough about it to change what needs to be changed, but I have seen enough videos to know that things do need to be updated. So could someone get onto that?

Maybe it's just personal nitpicking, but I believe that all of the Zelda pages should have some coherency to how they're set up. Some of them have the story before the items, before the game play before, whatever... and it's not very coherent. Maybe this is up to wikipedia's standards, but it shouldn't be. This is a series, so the pages should reflect that. Thanks! — Reflectionist 4:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the current story section. It may need to be tweaked. I have beaten the game, and I can prove it (the two videos used as citations are mine). I agree the rest of the article is most incorrect. But I am too busy right now to check over everything myself to fix stuff, plus everything I've touched outside the story section has been reverted.

Also, some of the citations are not so great. And again, Land of the Legend is back and immediately stole credit from other sources. When I tried to give the original sources credit again (and yes, one was my own site), JackSparrowNinja reverted nearly all my revisions and new citations. I really am this close to filing a report against him because he's obviously a LotL staff member posing as a normal member of Wikipedia and has 1) A grudge against my site and I and 2) Still obsessed with promoting their site through advertisements posing as citations. There TP pre-release guide was a compilation of other site's info, already used in citations on this article, and they overwrote them. For example, The Hylia was the first site to reveal Fyrus' name (albeit wrong at first). The current citation goes to Land of the Legend, when it was my site. Still think it's not some personal vendetta? We went through this once already, I think we should cut to the chase and save some grief this time. Anyway, I'll wait to see what order the article will be setup in, and then I might drop back by to help correct some mistakes. --TSA 02:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Time for an Overhaul!
This article really still has a lot of out-of-place, out-of-date future tense stuff and "demo this, trailer that" scattered about. Is anyone with more experience than me ready to write it from a current point of view, seeing as it's been out for a few days now? Nintenboy01 21:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. With the exception of the story (which I haven't read) and reception, this entire page is pretty crappy considering the game is out. Not only is most of it in future tense, but most is unnecessary. A lot of stuff under development now seems redundant, and a lot of stuff like "Skulltulas are confirmed to appear" really has no place here, even if changed to present tense; you don't see anything about returning enemies on other pages. Fixing all of this will be an enourmous pain, and I'll admit I've been conspicously avoiding doing anything (I have been doing other stuff, though. Yesterday I updated the entire enemies page). Something of this scale will require some collaborative effort, so I'd appreciate some feedback. SixteenBitJorge 16:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Zant
I already made it so Zant redirects here until a full article on him is written. --Black Omnimon 22:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I added Twilight King. JackSparrow Ninja 00:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Story?
I was wondering how anyone could have completed the game in such a small amount of time, and i find the story section very confusing. I would change it myself, but I live in the UK an the game is not out yet. But how could anyone know the ending already?-user:EEVEE103
 * Early review copies, and playing near-constantly, as far as I can tell.
 * TSA has beaten it. He's uploaded the ending boss and ending cinema up to Google Video if you're like proof that he has.
 * In interviews in Nintendo Power, Electronic Gaming Monthly, and the Spanish magazine Hobby Consolas, director Eiji Aonuma revealed that Princess Zelda and Ganon will be returning.[17] What their roles are is unknown.


 * This is what a part of the TP article says, yet someone has already told us what their "role" is. Im confused, theres no proof of what the story is?-user:EEVEE103
 * That's just the article not yet having been made fully consistent; people are currently more interested in playing the game than making sure everything here is accurate (except TSA, who's done and tried to add the bosses, see above). There are full videos online of the ending, and of most bosses, and of several important story cutscenes. Anyone who's seen them can see the proof - and even if they weren't, you can't cite everything without having the entire game online, or something like that.


 * ah, okay.-user:EEVEE103

Yahoo rating
I think this game rating should be removed as Yahoo is not the best source for games, unless we are going to see ratings like IMDB and me on the page

Review Section
This seriously needs to be edited and standardized. Right now it's a mess. Firstly, for some reason the box is located in "External Links", yet there's other reviews in the "Reception" area. And for some reason it's all written in a smaller font. Perhaps a partial revert is in order? --Zooba 23:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it for now. Thanks for pointing it out. // Sasuke  -kun  27  23:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to nit-pick, but the edit has made the References a bit muddled up. Again, sorry to nit-pick. ^_^ --Zooba 23:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's going to happen since the review list is so long. There's nothing I can do about it, but someone else might be able to. // Sasuke  -kun  27  00:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The only real workaround for this is to use   to force a line break at the new section header.  (Speaking of which, why was it removed?)  -- Zooba 20:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Some of those reviews can be removed, like ones from places that don't even have articles here. And somebody needs to put the Nintendo Power review back in. TJ Spyke 20:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I realize I didn't include a source for that review, sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattva01 (talk • contribs)

THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS 99.999% SPOILERS
Is wikipedia a place for game synopisi/previews? Can we get some encyclopedic "meat" in the article, and/or get rid of all the fanboy candy?
 * Of course. But an article can contain information on the game's development and controls, etc., as well as plot synsopi (synopseses?) and information of in-game weapons etc. --Zooba 20:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC) Um... why isn't the formatting working?
 * Somebody opened a "No Wiki" tag and didn't close it, I fixed it. TJ Spyke 20:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Reception
I was considering whether or not there should be something about the lack of a south paw mode. Anyone have a source to show somebody complaining about it? - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard anything, other than a few people on GameFAQs. TJ Spyke 00:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, according to a thread on NeoGAF, a leftie mod really hates it.
 * But since forums aren't appropriate sources, I need a non-forum verifiable source. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If the poster is the one complaining, how is it not verifiable? --User:Guess Who, not signed in
 * Because anybody can post on a forum. If I go on a messageboard and say Madden sucks because it doesn't let Xbox 360 and PS3 users play against each other, should that be added to that game's article? TJ Spyke 02:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And there exists the possibility that one of those GameFAQers or NeoGAFers may also be an IGN reviewer or something. Regardless, can you really claim that it wouldn't be a problem? Wii's more immersive, so swinging with your left hand and having it have Link swing it with his right would be bothersome. In fact, the REASON that Link's right-handed is because play testers complained that swinging with your right and having Link swing with his left was bothersome. The reverse would be true. Miyamoto and Iwata didn't really want to do it, but the play testers had legit complaints. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think Miyamoto minds since he said he couldn't go back to the GC version after playing the Wii version. Messageboards in general are not accepted, even citations from NeoGAF (a messageboard filled with people who work at video games companie, websites, and magazines) wouldn't be acceptable. TJ Spyke 04:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * TJ Spyke, stop selectively reading what I say. I've been stating that I've been looking for a better source. Additionally, why would he not mind? I have a feeling Miyamoto isn't so selfish that he would only factor himself into designing a game. Some people don't WANT to play the GCN game. They shouldn't be punished for being lefties by laziness on the programmers' part. Is the Wii version only meant for righties? - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I read everything you said, does that mean I have to reply to everything you said? I have only seen 1 left-handed person complaining about the controls. Every other left handed person i've seen talk about the game says they have had no problem with the controls. Do you have any proof that Miyamo and Iwata didn't want to switch controls? TJ Spyke 05:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you do us a favor and STOP being aggressive? You make it seem like my purpose here is to make the game look bad, and you seem to have a desire to not believe that Miyamoto and Iwata didn't want to switch controls. I never said that they didn't want to switch because it didn't work, I said they didn't want to switch because Link's supposed to be a leftie. If I thought there were more people who felt this way I wouldn't have opened a discussion over it. That is why I ASKED if there was a verifiable source to use.
 * And by the way: The fact that you choose not to pay attention to everything someone says in a discussion is not a defense. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you thought I was being agressive. I never said I didn't pay attention to everything here, I said I just didn't reply to everythng. This seems like a silly thing to argue about. If you can find a verifiable source, then add it in when that happens. TJ Spyke 05:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact that you don't reply doesn't defend you from not knowing that I was looking for a non-forum source.
 * And anyway, it was you who created this argument. I made a statement that was escalated into an argument because of you disagreeing with it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

How many Light Spirits again?
Well, that video 'Imprisoning War' showed three Light Spirits being ordered down. But there are 4 aren't there? I haven't played the game, but the TP Character page also said 4. So is it 3 or 4 Light Spirits? (61.91.191.2 01:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC))
 * There's four. -- User:Guess Who, not signed in

Oh, ok. So why did the cut-scene say 3 then? Thanks again. (61.91.191.2 03:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC))

There are four, but you find the 1st one without needing to do anything. The 1st one then tells you to free the other three. As for the cutscene, I think I know which one you're talking about; I'm pretty sure that was a typo. I've played the game so much it's all blending together. SixteenBitJorge 16:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The cutscene isn't a typo. The scene says that the goddesses ordered those three to seal up the great evil.  Makes sense, seeing as there's only three pieces, three dungeons, and thus only three Light Spirits present.  I guess the fourth one was just chilling out.Sidescroller 08:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, the Plot section seems to be lacking in some areas...
I have noticed that some parts are much more heavily emphasised then others. I mean, little is mentioned about acquiring rhe Fused Shadows (like the temples and such), and same with the gathering of the Mirror of Twilight. It just says 'after many trials' or 'after gathering the Mirror pieces'...I think someone should expand on those areas more. I can't because I don't have the game, but I think others should. Thanks in advance. (61.91.191.10 14:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC))

Cleanup suggestions
I've been watching this article for a while and people are adding and removing information at a rediculous rate. Last night at 3:00 am EST, the Bosses and Enemies section had short descriptions of each of the bosses; this was removed for being too long. Additionally, the enemies section is sparce, non-linear and a little confusing. I would suggest making List of enemies from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and maybe even Bosses from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. In the enemies section, it describes Wolf Stalfos as " like skeletal horses," though "skeletal wolves" would probably be more accurate. Also, I DESPERATELY beg that someone puts AND LEAVES a spoiler warning tag at the beginning of the Story section; it describes the game all the way from beginning to end and I had to stop reading when all of a sudden it's describing the final fight with Zant. The Weapons and Items section could also use a little bit of a rewrite, with a list of the weapons and their description rather than a short paragraph about each (as per the Bosses and Enemies section.) I think if these changes are made, then this article may get the Good Article rating it could have before. Update: I am currently working on the List of Bosses in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. The link was removed from the main article under the pretext that "Wikipedia is not a game guide." However, many of the Legend of Zelda articles have accompanying lists of bosses and possible stategies (as many other games do as well) and I am requesting that the removed link be put back. Dracokanji 14:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have re-added the Dungeons and Bosses sections to the article (I forgot to fill in the Edit Summary), but trimmed down on the Game Guide content. I think such an inclusion is necessary, but without more information on the bosses' appearance, the section will be bare. I also think that a Boss page may not be too necessary, or at least that we should get rid of their inclusion in the "characters in The Legend of Zelda...." page. --Zooba 19:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We should not have a "Bosses in Twilight Princess" page. That kind of stuff would go in Characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. The same is done in all other individual "Characters" pages. As for enemies, there is a page for that. I've already updated most of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SixteenBitJorge (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks a lot, guys. And as far as the bosses go, I'd add Zant to the characters, and the other bosses to something like a bosses page for ALL Zelda games.  This is mainly to reduce the space taken up by the Enemies page; It's one of the longest articles I've seen for a list of descriptions only two sentences long.  But once again, maybe more story than strategy for bosses would be better. Dracokanji 15:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... a "List of Bosses in The Legend of Zelda series" page would be novel. But yes, description, and perhaps not specifically story but description of the characters in terms of looks. I would also suggest adding detail about the Dungeons found in Twilight Princess, into the main article however. And, on a rather unrelated matter, can we add the comments box back to the reviews? They have one in OoT, MM and TWW.--Zooba 20:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Seperation of the Wii/GameCube Reviews
When the GameCube version comes out, of course. Just so that readers can compare the reviews, and see which sites saw which version as superrior.

The Captain Returns 23:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The contents box contains a spoiler
Quick point: The contents box mentions a "Puppet Zelda". This should be changed to "Final Boss" or something.

Strategy Guide Information
I bought the strategy guide with the game specifically to assist in re-writing this article now that the game has been released. If anyone would like to guide me to an area where the guide may be a useful source of information, I will be happy to relay it with a full citation. It is the official Nintendo Power guide. Mellesime 05:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently, Wikipedia is not a place for video game guides . Sorry. --Zooba 21:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the project's guidelines - the best place for such content would be one of the gaming-specific wikis mentioned there. --Oscarthecat 22:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, while gameplay information and tips don't belong here, the guide probably can serve as a useful way to cite story elements and other things that might seem suspect otherwise. --Herald Alberich 23:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * For example, I've been busting my butt trying to update Enemies in The Legend of Zelda series. I've added TP appearences for enemies whose names I know (Stalfos, Darknut, etc), but that still leaves a lot of new enemies, like the fish things in the Goron Mines or the mini bosses of most dungeons, to name a few. What's most important is the addition of their names; if you don't know what else to write/not to write, I can add the rest. SixteenBitJorge 03:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I was referring to using the guide or instruction manual as a source for pictures, plot, and profiles. -- Mellesime 21:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If that's all you plan on adding I don't see a reason why not. --Zooba 20:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

TSA?
TSA is cited a couple times in this article. Given the recent flak he's been under concerning his credibility, wouldn't it be best to find an alternate source? Surely some of those statements have been made by more reliable people? -- Mellesime 05:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * What the heck are you talking about? First, the two citations with my name are for SCANS of MAGAZINES, not even my own words...so how the heck is that questionable?  Second, you mean flak as in people on GameFAQs yelling at me saying I lied about solving the bugs?  I debnunked one, and am uploading another video to debunk the other, showing everyone I wasn't lying and that people need to get off my back.  The other issue is me getting TP early, and it was a random GameFAQ's member trolling.  I have several sources who verified I had TP early, not to mention I had videos posted of it BEFORE the release...along with the ending...so...not sure if you're a GameFAQ's member or Land of the Legend member...or just a hater...but back off.  Thanks. --TSA 01:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm involved with neither site. I'd just heard your name dropped in negative ways recently, and wasn't sure if you could be considered a credible source. However, if people besides you think you are, then I have no problem with it. -- Mellesime 21:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hearsay is a poor form of evidence.--TSA 21:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Control System
Unless I've developed partial blindness, I can't see any mention of the control system for this game. What the nunchuk and the remote do, exactly. Any information? Uber HW 19:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

What's the price?
The article doesn't say anything about the price of the game. I looked this up to find out, and didn't find it. Someone put the price in there please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.129.247.128 (talk • contribs)
 * The price is usually only mentione if it's an odd price (like the Guitar Hero games being $80). Zelda is the standard $49.99 USD. TJ Spyke 00:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Bosses Clean-Up
Now that we've decided for their inclusion, I believe a major clean-up is needed. First off, surely some of the information here needs to be summarized, as the main article is the characters page? Also, would some information on the dungeons (looks etc.) be worthy here (the game guide may be particularly useful)? Just my two cents. --Zooba 18:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

More spoilers
Whose bright idea was it to organize the temples by dungeon boss name and allowing the names to show up in the TOC? Considering who the last boss is, I'm calling spoilers, and taking out all the names from the section headings. I'm going to also suggest that we move that section over to a separate article like in Ocarina's article. This is getting unwieldy--Weebot 18:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

AUS GC relesae date
the article now stated December 7th for the GC version in australia, is there any source confirming this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.244.114 (talk • contribs)

Please add information on the last dungeon boss (SPOILERS)
SPOILERS

I have added that the last boss is divided in three parts, and I would be grateful if someone could add details about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifeisagame247 (talk • contribs)

I'm confused. Isn't there a separate article for Zelda Bosses? -- Mellesime 21:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The Ocarina of Time page doesn't list bosses, I don't see why this one would have to. Also, that's a pretty big spoiler, shouldn't the GCN version at least come out before such a big spoiler is explained? Bradibus 23:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see why. The fact is that the game is now out, in one form of another, and that's all that matters. The Spoiler tags are there, also. --Zooba 23:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * But how is this important to the article? Wikipedia is not a videogame guide. --Stratadrake 23:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * But why can't we detail the bosses as much as the characters, in terms of appearance etc.? If people keep on editing in strategies to defeat the bosses, perhaps you could delete the strategies instead of, as some have done, just deleting the whole section? --Zooba 23:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I see your point ("walkthroughs" or "strategies" are obviously not allowed), but at the same time, mere lists of enemies, bosses, items, etc. fall into the category of "indiscriminate" information, and in the context of a video game this is also stuff more at home in a strategy guide than an encyclopedia. Zero encyclopedic significance = zero mention.  --Stratadrake 23:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Which is why I have called for people to expand the section. But you can't expect that to happen if it isn't there in the first place because it keeps on being deleted. Personally, the way I see it, there should just be a link to the "List of Characters in TP" page and only detail on the dungeons on the main page, as right now it's just a big mess (The "List of..." page especially needs attention). --Zooba 01:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I suggest we scrap the boss section on this page. It's reduntant of the boss section of Characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess which, taking a precedent from previous Zelda articles, is the proper place for such information concerning boss appearences and basic strategy, by which I mean something to the manner of "Morpheel is defeated by using the Clawshot to extract its eye, similarlly to Ocarina of Time's Morpha" as opposed to the detailed walkthroughs people keep adding. However, I don't know if even that is acceptable on Wikipedia. SixteenBitJorge 20:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As of now, the Boss "section" is just a link to the TW Characters page. Old Characters... pages, as you say, do include such basic strategy, so it's either delete those instances or write such strategy into the TW Characters page. I do think the latter would be harder to enforce, however. --Zooba 20:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Bridge Glitch not verifiable
I have attempted many times to do the Bridge glitch, and I can't do it. Can anyone here get themselves the have bridge glitch? I can't seem to do it intentionally. Can anyone confirm it's a real glitch? Some are claiming the YouTube video was a hoax. Are there any other sources for it? I can't repeat it. Bradibus 23:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Glitches usually are not important enough to warrant mentioning in an encyclopedia article. I've occasionally experienced the type of glitch where your character falls "through" the terrain and either (1) dies, or (2) causes the game to freeze, but rare phenomena are of extermely specialist interest and not notable in general.  So unless you think this merits some mention in the article, someone might mistake this discussion as pertaining to the game more than the article. --Stratadrake 23:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't. I should have made my point more clear: There was a section in the article talking about the game's glitches, this one included. However, this one happens to not be reproducible. Either way, the glitches section was removed, so I suppose there's no problem. Bradibus 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Splitting Bosses and Dungeons/Settings
I split the Bosses from the Dungeons/Settings, because there doesn't seem to be enough information to share between this article and the Characters... page. Also, I thought it would be worthwhile detailing the separate dungeons/settings of the game, similar to the page of settings in Ocarina of Time. --Zooba 13:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Wording about Ganon 'dies'
How could he die if he re-appears in later games, TWW for example since TP takes place before TWW.
 * I'm not sure. Even the split time-line theory doesn't support this, since twilight Princess would be in the same side of it as Wind Waker. The Wind Waker page says that Link descends a hidden staircase, where he finds the Master Sword, the evil-repelling blade that the Hero of Time used to seal Ganondorf, so maybe in between TP and TWW, Ganon is sealed away again? --Zooba 18:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm perfectly willing to accept the theory that it's just a plot device, but that's not really poetic enough to be accepted as canon. SixteenBitJorge 19:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no official canon anyways, and it is enough IMO. TJ Spyke 21:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)