Talk:The Legend of Zelda (video game)/Archive 2

Spoiler warning??
Is the spoiler warning necessary? Isn't the info in the "story" section contained (either word-for-word or through paraphrase) in the instruction manual for the game? Maybe I don't understand the purpose of the spoiler warning, but I thought that in this context it was to protect one from reading content that one would want to find out through actual gameplay. The info in the story section is supposedly understood before beginning the game. ----Steve 19:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Response I wrote that section myself, so it wasn't a rip from the manual. The spoiler warning is necessary due to certain plot details. (i.e., elements which aren't mentioned until later on in the series) Grendel 20:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Understood. ----Steve 20:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Should the story section for this game really contain elements that are from a later game? It may be more accurate to stick to the (admittedly simple) story established by the game itself.  Then we wouldn't need a spoiler warning. Sraan 05:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no objections if anyone wants to re-write it. I just came up with what I could from off the top of my head. Grendel 11:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What parts are from other games in the series, I guess is my question? ----Steve 14:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Grendel was referring to some of the Hyrulean mythology (like the origin of Hyrule and the Triforce) that he included. It's not really much of a spoiler, but it also wasn't invented until several games after LoZ, so I tried to make the new edits a paraphrase of the introduction and instruction manual only.  Sraan 17:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems a bit silly to me. The information from later games is common knowledge in those games, or at least it is in LttP, and it's written like introductory text to the game rather than a plot overview. Eusis 21:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True, I suppose. But to talk about the history of Hyrule and everything really isn't in the scope of the first game. It wasn't part of the plot when the game was created.   We could include an overview of what actually happens in the game (although in a game like Zelda, there's not much to tell... he sets off to get the Triforce pieces and defeat Ganon, he does so, and end of game.  Not too many twists in between). We could, perhaps, include a paragraph about how the story is rather simple for a Zelda game and much of the Hyrulean mythology comes in later games.  I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud now.  Sraan 23:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a couple of paragraphs. Let me know if you think its any better or not. Sraan 00:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Response I like your re-write much better. However, maybe you should replace "Light Arrow" with "Silver Arrow," as the Light Arrow isn't featured until much later on in the series. Grendel 13:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good call. Thanks.  Sraan 13:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the way the story is presented now, and the way the spoiler is wrapped around the later portion, rather than the whole story. I think it makes the most sense that way.  The only questions I have are
 * * When it refers to the labyrinths as "ganon's dungeons", were they really his dungeons?
 * * I thought that they were referred to in that game as labyrinths.
 * On those two questions, I might be remembering wrong, and I really haven't played any of the series except the first two (I'm kind of an "original LOZ" purist), so feel free to correct me.
 * * and there isn't an entry in the "weapons of LOZ" page for the silver arrow. Is it revealed in a later game that the silver arrow is indeed a light arrow?  Or do we need to write up a section on that page for the silver arrow?
 * ----Steve 16:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Response This is mentioned in the game manual, as well as the game's title demo. (with the scrolling item list) It is, indeed, "Silver Arrow." Grendel 17:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it up. What was that sword called?  I thought it was called the Master Sword but I guess not.  I would love to see this game get an enhanced remake.  I bet they would update all this to be consistent with current games.  Sraan 17:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So I looked it up. According to the WP article, it's called the Magical Sword, but the official website (Zelda.com?) says its the Master Sword under a different name.  I'll have to look into that.  It would be worth putting that fact in if it is true.  Sraan 17:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's simply refered to as "Magical Sword" in this game. I don't quite think that it is an earlier manifestation of the Master Sword, though. The original Zelda generally had nothing to do with later plot elements such as this. Grendel 18:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Fun discussion. Concerning Level 9:  I don't know if Ganon actually made the labyrinth, but since he and his minion's had taken it over, I don't think it's inaccurate to call it "his" (at least in the context of the article).  The article says that the arrows were found in Ganon's dungeons.  The WP article on dungeons says that it commonly means an underground prison or vault.  So, I think that the room where the arrow was found would qualify as a dungeon (n underground vault).  And there are several rooms in the level that would qualify as dungeons.  I don't think it necessarily means that the whole level is a dungeon (though it could be). A long paragraph for such semantics, but I love talking about Zelda. Sraan 19:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought the Zelda.com stuff was interesting enough to reference it in the story, so I put in a brief parenthetical about the Master Sword. If it is out of place and needs to be reverted, so be it, but I thought it was of interest enough to warrant a mention. Sraan 01:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The group called The Rabbit Joint performed the Zelda song.

 * Joe Pleiman created a song parody of the main Zelda theme for his album The Rabbit Joint. The song is commonly mis-attributed to System of a Down or The Rabbit Joint. This has been confirmed on numerous occasions:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_series#_note-9 http://www.joshspaulding.com/zelda.html http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00022/ http://killermookie.org/node/237 http://www.zeldaelements.net/downloads_raresongs.shtml

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If you want to list trivia, that's great! But please, check your facts first. Mintchocolatebear 23:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

A date that is mentioned
The release date for America says August... when it should be July. Why? The official website, thats who. Lets not forget, though gamespot is a good website, it should be second when compared to a official site, such as www.zelda.com - Link 86 1 10:01, 28 December 2006

Animal Crossing game
Hey it mentions that the original one is unlockable in Animal Crossing for the GCN. Since this can only happen using a Action Replay (think that's what it's called), shouldn't we mention that) Deflagro 22:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * no... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.212.252.30 (talk • contribs).

yes...


 * No, it is unlockable without help from Action replay. The only one not unlockable through normal game play is Super Mario Bros. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.81.191.125 (talk) 08:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

-Any proof? Zixor 04:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Virtual Console
Interestingly, while some releases on VC change parts of the game, the misspelling "Miyahon" is still in the credits. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

-Is this really relevant? Zixor 19:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Pass

 * GA review (see here for criteria)

My compliments to the editors involved in the making of this article. I can recall many happy moments playing the series and enjoying it thoroughly. It's heartening to see an informative article on the series. Many Regards and Best Wishes !
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
 * 1) Overall:
 * a Pass/Fail:
 * a Pass/Fail:

Phillip Rosenthal 13:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Prostitutes?
From the image of Link loaded up with weapons: "Link, carrying the many items he acquires from prostitutes." This has to be vandalism, right? I'm pretty sure treasure chests aren't really the same thing as prostitutes. I'm going to change it back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.121.177.217 (talk) 22:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Nevermind, someone beat me to it. That was fast.

Autosave
From the opening section:

With its vast world, open-ended gameplay, scrolling capabilities, and autosave system …

Correct me if I've got my jargon wrong, but there's no autosaving in this game. The game gives the player the option of saving either when Link dies or when that certain button combination is pressed, and the only other memory alteration comes from creating a file or files, erasing a file, or changing a first-quest file to a second-quest file after the game is beaten. Tony Myers 00:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

-I agree, there's no autosave. Zixor 23:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

What could be done to improve this article
Considering the importance of this game, I am surprised that it is only a good article. Please tell us what can be done to improve this article. I would love to see it featured. Thanks. GreaterWikiholic 01:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see one or two images of gameplay, at the moment there are none, I think would improve article. A small number of low res images would be fair use, it is normal for video game articles. Carlwev (talk) 13:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Versions
There is no section discussing the various versions of Zelda in main body of the article, only in the intro. Intro should only summarize the article, so it's strange that there is no versions section. --Mika1h 20:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

-Additionally, I'm very curious to know about the many versions re-released for the NES alone (including box art, manual, and other extras), as there seem to be several. Zixor 04:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC).

THE HYRULE FANTASY
Does the title of the FDS game really need to be all in caps? I realize that the text on the disk is capitalized, but I strongly suspect that this is merely for looks. When refering to the name in any other context, I don't feel it should be in capital letters. Zixor 04:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Our guidelines state we must follow proper case, not trademark desires. -- ReyBrujo 01:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

All right, well then: unless someone feels differently, or it can be confimed that the name is supposed to be in all caps, I'm going to change it. Zixor 02:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Names
(This topic is also listed on the WikiProject LoZ discussion page)

There needs to be a definitive decision made regarding the Intro/names of the game articles (specifically: Zelda 1 and 2). I'm sick of people completely overhauling it every week or so; and usually not for the better.

My feeling is: The introduction is supposed to be the part of the article that reaches out to everyone and gets them interested enough to read on. As of now: the pages state the name of the game (necessary), the name of the Japanese version of the game in romaji (potential useful), and the name of the Japanese version of the game in Japanese text (least useful); not to mention that various portions of the titles are repeated more than once. The end result is nearly a paragraph in itself; one that is generally alienating and uninteresting to both novice and veteran game players.

There's nothing wrong with the information itself, only with it's current presentation and location. There's some good stuff in there, but it needs to be more concise, standardized, and it needs to be somewhere else in the article. (and not in the Introduction.) Zixor 00:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Third quest?
A newsletter forSwedish Nintendo videospelklubb (p. 4, No. 6, January 1989) suggested there was a third quest after completing the second quest and that differences to the second quest would eventually appear. Anyone know if this is true? --Bensin (talk) 12:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no third quest. I've beaten the second quest and you don't getting anything else after it. As far as sources to back up my statement just check either the "NES Game Atlas" or "Legend of Zelda Tips & Tactics" both are published by Nintendo and claim to cover the entire game and neither even mention a third quest.

75.93.9.235 (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Very interesting, Besin. I see that you are correct. Nintendo Videospelklubb does indeed suggest this. I can't imagine how they got it wrong. Surely they would have verified that it was true before publishing it. I wonder what they were thinking of. I've never heard of a Third Quest before, although I have heard of the Satellaview version, BS Zelda no Densetsu, unofficially referred to as the Third Quest with BS Zelda no Densetsu MAP 2 as the Fourth Quest. I haven't been able to find a copy of Issue No. 7, but I wonder if they didn't retract that as a mistake in the next issue. -Thibbs (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No retraction in the two following numbers. --Bensin (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hidden secrets in games have long been the subject of urban myth. I refuse to believe that a mysterious third quest would have been mentioned in this single magazine and not in official publications, fan sites, or anywhere else. Even Metroid's glitchy secret worlds (not mentioned at all in official publications) are widely known at this point. Dcoetzee 22:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not it's true. I've read the magazine. You can look it up yourself. The only question is what in the world they were talking about. Certainly my copy of the game does not have this "Third Quest." -Thibbs (talk) 21:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure they discussed it. :-) I just think they made it up out of thin air. Dcoetzee 03:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
I edited to reflect that the game was named "The Legend of Zelda", and not "The Legend of Ernest Borgnine." I am assuming that was vandalism, since my copy of the game does, indeed, say 'Zelda.' 75.41.32.238 (talk) 08:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Secret Game
My friend (very reliable) told me that Link didn't have an official name in the original game, but if the user typed in the name Link in the name section, the player got a completely different game, he was deadly serious. But I don't see how this is possible, is that true?

It was "ZELDA", and it only changed the shapes and locations of the dungeons. As for whether this should be included, here is a rule of thumb: if your only source is you generally reliable friend, it's probably not notable enough. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 18:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Typing in "ZELDA" as your name on the player registration unlocked the 2nd quest. Normally you would have to beat the game the first time through. Also, the 2nd quest changed more than the dungeons. It changed item locations, added new enemies (i.e. red and blue bubbles) and increased the difficulty. It also had a different ending. If you haven't beaten 2nd quest, then you haven't actually beaten zelda.129.139.1.68 (talk) 15:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge in Quest for Thelda
This appears to have almost no notability, but would be great as a few sentences or a paragraph in this article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed --Aridnyk89 (talk) 11:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Whether or not an article is 'notable' is a very subjective thing. Someone who is interested in the Legend of Zelda may be satisfied with a few sentences or a paragraph glossing over its existence, but perhaps not someone who is interested in video games developed for the TRS-80 Color Computer, like myself. I care more about the circumstances and technical details surrounding the remake than what the actual remake was of. Citeoplasm (talk) 05:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

If you can find this information, that would help prove The Quest for Thelda's notability. All Judgesurreal is saying (I think) is that as is, it fails to assert its own notability, since the article currently is nothing more than a few lines comparing the game to The Legend of Zelda. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The year the game was released, the author, platform, input method, and amount of RAM the game required to run are all things I'm interested in that don't have much to do with the Legend of Zelda. For example, many games that pushed the limits of this computer would not run with the stock 128K RAM and would require an upgrade to 512K. I am not sure all of these details are appropriate in the main Legend of Zelda article. Does an article need to be lengthy for it to be notable? Citeoplasm (talk) 05:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The article has already been deleted, so notability seems a moot point now. The information you mentioned may be more appropriate if you give the Quest for Thelda its own section/subsection. It may or may not deserve its own article, but I think we can give it its own subsection, if you can give us info on gameplay, development, ect. (with sources) Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Movie Adaptation?
Just found this today, it seems legit, even though it was announced April 1st. http://movies.ign.com/dor/articles/863515/legend-of-zelda-movie-trailer/videos/legendofzelda_filmtrailer_040108.html Even though the date of release is sketchy, it seems too legit to be a fake. 17:43, 1 April 2008 (CST)
 * While I do praise the quality of their work, I am almost completely certain that it is fake, no matter how much I would like it to be real. Mynameisnotpj (talk) 23:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a zelda movie title would be very hard to keep a secret for long, and judging by the "Movie Trailer" it looks like it was in production for a while, if it exists, and especially since its Zelda, i'm almost positive its fake. I do believe that this april fools joke does diserve at least a paragraph in this article however. --Aridnyk89 (talk) 11:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It does not seem notable enough to keep in the article. Perhaps if they had released a real short-length movie, then it would be acceptable in the article.  However, seeing as it is just a joke, it does not seem to be notable. Mynameisnotpj (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The film is under the name of "Zelda" (2009) at the Internet Movie dataBase, (IMDB) however it's only for users with an IMDBPro subscription. It is possible that this may be a clue that there is a Zelda movie in the works, whether this is an actual trailer for it or that it's something thats being guarded very secretly with IGN making it seem like an April Fools Joke, it's hard to say. I would be a fool to rule it out, but it's safe to not make an article of this just yet, April 1 2009 looks like a possible date for information regarding a Zelda movie. 12:22, 3 April 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.66.149 (talk)

If it is a joke, it seems like a alot of trouble to go through just for an april fools joke. The movie trailer I saw was very high quality, not something you would spend money on just to say "april fools." of course I'm just speculating. 67.142.161.35 (talk) 12:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * People are still fooled by this? Here.  Pagra shtak  13:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

is Link an elf?
please answer with reason —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.121.172.7 (talk) 09:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Link is a Hylian. It's a fact. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 10:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

To further answer your question. The Hylians are the main race of people that ihabit the kigdom of Hyrule. While they may have been based upon an "elf" for creative purposes the Hylians are not elves but more akin to humans as they have no special abilities like elves are generally associated with. 69.254.108.68 (talk) 18:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Zelda rap
In a video of the Angry Video Game Nerd, James Rolfe looks at issues of Nintendo Power. One of the questions in one of the issued had a user submitting a rap for Zelda, which seems to be the one in the Zelda commercial.

Is this real or not or I don't know... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.82.183 (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Release year
Is it notable to add that this was released on the same year as the original Metal Gear and Final Fantasy? Ffgamera (talk) 03:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No. And in Japan it was released a year before the others. Belasted (talk) 03:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Legend movie
I removed this information because it's BS. The Free Gift Wagon (talk) 13:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah its nothing but a fantasy speculation itself. If you want a Zelda Movie, try the Phillips CDI games :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JasonHockeyGuy (talk • contribs) 06:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Zelda classic?
I looked for "Zelda classic" (the open source PC version) on here and it just redirects to this article. Tcaudilllg (talk) 20:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's functionally identical to the NES game (with the obvious exception of the controller), then that would likely be the reason; it's not notable enough by itself to get an article. If it's not mentioned in the Legacy section, you could try putting a sentence or two about it in there. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What about the fact that it allows people to make their own games using the Zelda engine? I believe that | Zelda Classic is something completely different and deserves its own article. Somebody, go write one! Flagrama (talk) 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can make original games with it, that could make it notable as a game development tool. Consult the wise ones for ideas about how to develop it, for I have none. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Somebody, go write one." Do it yourself lazy.129.139.1.68 (talk) 16:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Article project.
The Legend of Zelda theme - eh? Anyone wanna make an awesome article?! - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Release Date
According to | the official Zelda site and the Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition game disc, the official page for the game states the release date is actually July 1987. The only specific day I have been able to find appears to be on | IGN, and it states July 1, 1987. Flagrama (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I know for a fact that the US release date was definitely not August 22nd 1987, because I got the game the next day on my cousin's recommendation and he had already played it with his friends. And no, he never played the Japanese Famicom version, nor did he and them finish/play game the day before. 71.184.110.64 (talk) 00:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)