Talk:The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe

Re Deep Magic/Deeper Magic and Old/New Covenants... Perhaps separate pages for each would be appropriate to draw the analogy in more depth? If you think so, say so here or put them in. --- User:Williamv1138

Go for it, dude! Ellsworth

I always thought that this book didn't have an Oxford comma in its title... Proteus (Talk) 16:18, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Of course, there's a movie being made of this book. Here's the IMDB link []

I have put the cleanup marker as the plot appears to be told twice, in shorter and longer forms. They should be combined.

Also, this may not be very important, but examination of the allegorical or suppositional aspects of the book run into problems. As I have seen it asked, if Aslan is Christ in Narnia, then how do they already have Christmas? If Aslan's substititional sacrifice only applies to one individual, Edmund, then who or what saves the others in Narnia? Are they still in a state of grace, comporable to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden? This can hardly apply to the people of Calormen, who appear in the later books. Who or what does Edmund represent? There is a bit of Judas about him, but also a bit of St. Paul, and in some ways he represents the whole of sinning humanity. As a person from our world, is he already saved by the crucifixion of Christ? PatGallacher 17:04, 2005 July 16 (UTC)

Lewis clearly intended Aslan to be a type of Christ, but the allegory isn`t totally consistent. In fact Tolkien, who Lewis discussed these books with, hated allegory. Better to see them as symbolic, perhaps. Christmas is present but only as Santa Claus, not the nativity. Aslan saves everyone, Edmund represents all of us but as you say there is Judas there too. Turkish delight symbolises everything you desire that is`nt good. Adam and Eve et al are dealt with in The Magicians Nephew. I don`t think you need to ask the last question. It seems like he isn`t because he hasn`t accepted it, but at the end of the day it is a children`s story based on a dream, so every theological detail is not systematic. Andycjp 17th July 2005

As I understand it, the orthodox Christian answer to the last question would be that he isn't saved because he doesn't accept it, but to become saved he just has to accept it, not go through a second substitutionary sacrifice. I think these sorts of issues should lead us to conclude that, whatever Lewis' subjective intentions may have been, in practice these works are allegorical (not that I claim to understand the difference between this and symbolic) rather than a worked-out theology of a plausible alternative universe. On a different tack, has this or the other Narnia books ever been published in non-Christian countries, e.g. the Islamic countries, or India or Japan? If so, what did they make of it? 00:37, 2005 July 17 (UTC)