Talk:The Lion King/Archive 4

Misinformation
In the first paragraph of the page it says the film was “influenced by the Biblical stories of Joseph and Moses.” That is simply not true. Those stories are nothing alike the story in this film. It is typical wishful thinking and grasping for straws that Christians do for stories they like, making connections that are simply not evident. I understand many people on this site may be Christian or Abrahamically religious but it is extremely ill-advised and far reaching to say this film was influenced by any Abrahamic religion. If we’re gonna go down that route, you can say this film has tribal influence but nothing more. In contrast to this blatantly false information about an Abrahamic connection, it can be said that the story is influenced by William Shakespeare’s Hamlet. The fact that you guys would put that bullshit propaganda on this page like it’s a fact bewilders me. This is not the same top quality Wikipedia from around 2006. God help us all. It’s turned into collectivism and biased. A moderate bare bones view is still biased FYI(talking about articles in general). If I donate money when you guys ask, will it work towards hiring better editors? Simba67 (talk) 19:29, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Disclaimer: I made an account just to post this thread Simba67 (talk) 19:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "The filmmakers have said that the story of The Lion King was inspired by the lives of Joseph and Moses, from the Bible, and William Shakespeare's Hamlet.[17]" Both quoted from the VHS commentary. © Tb hotch ™ 19:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually, The Lion King does share similarities with the story of Moses. Both Moses and Simba grow up in a royal household. Moses kills an Egyptian slave master whereas Simba is falsely accused of murdering his father. Because of the accusations, they both run off into a foreign land, grow up, and are summoned by a spirit to return back to their homeland to free their people from a despot.


 * I'm not too sure about the similarities with the story of Joseph, but both Joseph and Simba are betrayed by close family and sent off into a foreign land. The filmmakers have discussed the influences about these stories on a bonus feature of the 2003 Platinum Edition DVD. Prince Archelaus (talk) 15:10, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Addition to the Kimba The White Lion vs The Lion King Controversy
Much like how it was referenced on the page for Kimba the White Lion, YouTube user Adam Johnston's in-depth video essay from May 2020 debunks the plagiarism theories. Grifbot (talk) 02:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think a youtuber is a valuable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:6B8E:EE00:5124:1B71:F5F8:73C0 (talk) 14:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Cast ?
It is weird to have the voice actors/actresses names first in the cast list ? Is this some new form of encyclopedia standard ? Pushbutton auto (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:59, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2021
The Lion King - please change Swahili to Kiswahili.

“ The Lion King tells the story of Simba (Swahili for lion),”

Also in the sub:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simba

/Name:

“Simba is a Swahili word for lion,”

Kiswahili is the language. Swahili are the people.

The word is in the language. 2603:7080:9E3F:6E2C:4C9A:C057:CC48:98B4 (talk) 02:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a reliable source that Swahili refers to the people and Kiswahili refers the language?     04:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Mel ma nn   09:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

About world wide gross.
As per Box office mojo, The Lion King has crossed one billion worldwide. The rerelease in 2011 grossed more than 185 million us dollars.

But the page has not included that gross. Rena3k (talk) 14:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Overseas and Worldwide Box Office
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0110357/ Due to 3D and other re-release, The Lion King (1994) is a Billion dollar club member Daredevilskull (talk) 13:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not. Box Office Mojo had a website overhaul in 2019, and created errors when they added new box office numbers to other films. You check WP:BOXOFFICE for more information. PrinceArchelaus (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Box Office
How did the film make $1.084 billion worldwide? It is $968 million. It makes no sense. Ggianoli (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Mojo says it grossed collected more than $185 million in 2011 3D release. So including that ? Rena3k (talk) 14:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

The $185 million in 2011 3D is the total of $987 million worldwide. Then it went down to $968 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ggianoli (talk • contribs) 04:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Origin of the film
I came across an article from the Journal of Screenwriting about the genesis and story development of The Lion King. The article also mentions Wikipedia's generalized account. I was already aware beforehand James B. Stewart (in the book DisneyWar) states the idea was brought during a plane trip between Katzenberg, Roy Disney, and Peter Schneider while promoting The Little Mermaid while Don Hahn states it was while promoting Oliver & Company.

If Hahn's account is correct, then the European promotional campaign of Oliver & Company occurred in 1989, not in late 1988 as Wikipedia states. IMDb lists some 1989 dates for releases in several European countries. Then, again, we have Thomas M. Disch's treatment in late 1988 and Charlie Fink (then-vice president of creative development at Disney) stating he had pitched the idea for what became the film in 1988.

I'll go to bat to rewrite the film's development history to include the contributions of the earlier writers. If anyone else wants to contribute, they are more than welcome to. PrinceArchelaus (talk) 15:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Untitled
The reference to “two wastrels” may be homophobic and could be changed to “a warthog and a meet at”. “Wastrel” in this context could mean someone who wastes time but may also have more sinister connotations. In any event the term is esoteric and clearer, more descriptive language is available to describe one of Disney’s most prominent pair of same sex parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.197.234 (talk) 01:11, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Link to a missing page
"Kennedy, Mark. "Inside a special Black History Month rite at 'The Lion King'". abcNEWS."— The page is unavailable.

I really don't get how all those six languages are in the film. הראש (talk) 07:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)