Talk:The Lord Edward

This can refer to dozens, if not hundreds, of people. In fact, it can refer to every single son of a duke/marquess named Edward more than to King Edward I. Surtsicna (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I redirected it to Edward, but it could be PRODed. Srnec (talk) 00:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The son of a duke or marquess would be known formally as "The Lord Edward Smith", and less formally as "Lord Edward". The specific form "The Lord Edward" would be technically incorrect, and highly unusual even in colloquial usage. Moreover, no competent writer would refer to "Lord Edward" without making it clear from context which Edward (out of, as you say, hundreds) was meant. However, the particular sobriquet "The Lord Edward", in the context of C13 English history, is a different matter. It's like "The Black Prince" in the C14: it's widely used to refer to one specific individual, the elder son of Henry III prior to his accession to the throne as Edward I. E.g.: he was "then known as 'the Lord Edward'" . It's so common that it is frequently used without further explanation being deemed necessary: e.g. "... the acrimonious dispute between the Lord Edward and Gilbert de Clare, earl of Gloucester ..." ("When the Lord Edward inherited the throne of England from his father in November 1272 ..." . I can very easily imagine a reader coming across a reference to "the Lord Edward" in such a context, wondering "who's that?", and turning to Wikipedia to find out: therefore my original redirect had a useful purpose. The present redirect to Edward is utterly pointless. I am reverting to my original version. GrindtXX (talk) 14:40, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * We're talking about an article title on Wikipedia. There is no 13th-century context! Having said that... I see now that you are right. There is a convention among historians of 13th-century England to call him "the Lord Edward" during his father's life. It dominates Google Books and Scholar results. I am mainly interested in other areas of medieval history, far from England, and this usage strikes me as bizarre. But there it is. Srnec (talk) 15:28, 1 December 2017 (UTC)